Phone Calls and Phone Records

[Limaes]

Ha, I read through the thread a while ago but must have missed it. This is what happens when you lurk for too long. [emoji14] Sorry about that!

The call is in the compilation of MCSO calls here - [video=youtube;GrzJQq2EkO4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrzJQq2EkO4[/video] - around 25 minutes in or so. Some interesting nuggets in there.

Thank you for sharing the audio. Have listened to part of it. When he says "bracelet" I understood it to mean the whole "wheel bracelet" (rim). Is that what you meant?

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[zerbert]

Thank you for sharing the audio. Have listened to part of it. When he says "bracelet" I understood it to mean the whole "wheel bracelet" (rim). Is that what you meant?

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I heard "an entire bracelet," but I can see how you could make a case for "on a tire bracelet." I have never heard the word "bracelet" applied to anything to do with a car tire, so if that's a regional idiom I'm not aware of, it's even more likely. But the inflection just seemed to me more "an entire" than "on a tire" to me.

I'm from the South, so I kinda need a translator for these accents in the first place!

 

[ZOOL]

<sbm+bbm+cbm>....There's a theory that the Zipperers had a vicious dog, and a lot of stuff about their stories not adding up, hostility during questioning, a weird call-in from an officer about needing animal control and finding a burn pile that had an entire bracelet in it... things that make you go hmm. There are theories about every single person involved in this case. There will probably be a theory about me before the night is out.....<sbm>

:yeahthat: :goodpost: hone: :yourock: :detective:

 

[ZOOL]

Here is a link to an interesting evaluation of Teresa's cellphone records by a reasonably knowledgeable "cell phone technician". I have no way of ascertaining the validity of his CV but his evaluation is insightful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...t_do_the_data_in_teresas_cellphone_bill_mean/

 

[BigCityAccountant]

So I was reading today that wireless carriers use Census' ZCTA numbers to determine where to offer service, so I thought that they might use those numbers to identify where a call came from as well since it offers data on the county level. So I found, 21112 in Calumet County as well as 21101, 21102, and 21103 as part of GEOID's. Each corresponds correctly or incorrectly to a longitude and latitude. I then found 21923 in Manitowoc County the same way. However, I could not locate 21921 in either Calumet or Manitowoc Counties and in any of the surrounding Counties.

Just thought I would throw it out there in case anyone could come up with a GEOID that is associated with 21921.

https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerwebmain/Files/tab10/tigerweb_tab10_tabblock_2000_wi_015.html

https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerwebmain/TIGERweb2010_tabblock_census2000_wi.html

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I then found 21923 in Manitowoc County the same way. However, I could not locate 21921 in either Calumet or Manitowoc Counties and in any of the surrounding Counties.

Just thought I would throw it out there in case anyone could come up with a GEOID that is associated with 21921.

https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerwebmain/Files/tab10/tigerweb_tab10_tabblock_2000_wi_015.html

https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerwebmain/TIGERweb2010_tabblock_census2000_wi.html

Sorry couldn't edit. I found the 21923 in Calumet County GEOID--not Manitowoc.

 

[missy1974]

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/08/kathleen-zellner-making-murderer-attorney-steve-avery-441470.html

Ok... this article has some "phone" information. Zellner said that her phone last pinged 12 miles from the Avery's, that she went back the same way she came to Avery's.

Someone on reddit already mapped it so thought I would share here http://i.imgur.com/F8UVLsu.png

Also... the article states:

Zellner also tells Newsweek that the defense team apparently didn&#8217;t realize that Daylight Savings Time ended on October 30, 2005&#8212;and that not all cellphones reset automatically&#8212;which meant that their timeline for the two independent witnesses who saw Halbach leave the Avery property was off by an hour.


Remember the bottom of TH's cell bill? it does say something about DST.

She also makes mention of 2 calls made 2 days previous, at about 15 minutes before midnight, and that the person she called has been recently charged in Arizona with sex crimes. ( I saw posts about this guy elsewhere a long time ago)

 

[missy1974]

BCA ~

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...Trial-Exhibit-361-Halbach-Cingular-Report.pdf

Page 2 shows October 29th ;-)

 

[missy1974]

It's too late to edit my post from earlier today.... but I need to correct something....

Her records don't say something about DST.... but it does say something about local switch time, and I think if we look back into this thread, it came up that DST might cause issues with the time.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

I'm confused by what zellner means about DST. Can someone connect the dots for me?

 

[missy1974]

I'm confused by what zellner means about DST. Can someone connect the dots for me?

I can't help. :giggle:

I went looking at her phone records again today... or should I refer to them as "the black hole"? LOL There are a few things that I'm still confused about (mainly calls that AutoTrader employees talk about but I can't see them on her phone records). So I went looking to see if their times were off by an hour or something... they aren't. But I do still have some questions about testimony vs. phone records (will maybe post later).

I don't know how DST in October (fall back) helps any one's timeline if her phone is still on the time before the change. For example.... if a call is showing as 2pm, and her Cell phone clock didn't adjust for DST, then on Monday, the "real" time would have been 1pm.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'm not sure, maybe KZ is just assuming she backtracked the same way she went to Avery's because of all the pings, not just that one.

I saw a picture earlier today (and now I can't find it LOL) it was a zoomed in pic from the video of KZ that was posted with that article... it showed some of the things on her floor that she was investigating, it sure looked like she had photo's of the area, with a bunch of white dots (maybe the towers?) and then other pics that looked like maps with circles (as if showing the towers ranges, kinda like the map you posted)

Ok, so there is a tower right by I-43 and 310. Let me find it and I'll post it.

 

[missy1974]

here are some photo's taken from that article (I think from the video)

in the left bottom corner, it sure looks like cell tower information. I zoomed in, but really can't make out much LOL

http://d.europe.newsweek.com/en/full/53364/04-08-zellner-03.jpg?w=4000

also... http://s9.postimg.org/o600y4hr3/Untitled_3.jpg the board looks like a map



Could also be noted that... according to the board that the guy is standing near in the first link that I posted..... KZ IS planning on trying the blood age test. (Methylation Assay)

 

[missy1974]

Ok, so there is a tower right by I-43 and 310. Let me find it and I'll post it.

Hey, I posted some pics in the phone thread..... go look, does it look like cell tower info? and can you make anything out of it? I know you have looked at these maps/towers so much.

Hippiemom ~ I hope you got my pm

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Ok, here is google earth with the FCC towers. The tower at I-43 and 310 is the one that is now 1034945. It is 3.5 miles NW of the town of Manitowoc. Noting this, Avery's is actually in Mishicot not Manitowoc--but Manitowoc the town is actually getting a bad rap since it shares the same name as the county. It actually is a very lovely town with a WWII sub tour, lighthouses, etc.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I found this tower up in Kewaunee, WI..it was a close match--but not exact.

Structure Type: LTOWER
Structure Coordinates: 44-26-37.3 N 87-30-36.3 W (NAD 83)
Structure Coordinates: 44-26-37.3 N 87-30-36.0 W (Converted to NAD 27)
Structure Address: 758 Baumeister Drive (wi21211-a)
Structure City: Kewaunee, WI

It is just outside of that 12 mile radius--remember the PM about the FB incident...check him out again.

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProASRLookup.php?sASR=1224191&tabSearchType=ASR+Search

I've highjacked your thread again to talk about the phone records...:blushing:

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I can't help. :giggle:

I went looking at her phone records again today... or should I refer to them as "the black hole"?

:laughcry::laughing:

 

[missy1974]

Okay... so I've been thinking about this, and the 12 miles. I wonder if she means "at least" 12 miles away? so she could have been further. I don't know a lot about towers and pings, but I am not sure if in an area like she was driving in that day they would be able to Triangulate to specific spot? I don't know if there were enough towers to be able to do that. So maybe they took that tower, did the radius... and determined she was "at least" 12 miles away.

Also, I don't think it means it was at 2:41pm that day... that was just her last incoming call that registered a tower, it doesn't mean that her phone didn't "ping" after that but before her next incoming call at 4:35.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

here are some photo's taken from that article (I think from the video)

in the left bottom corner, it sure looks like cell tower information. I zoomed in, but really can't make out much LOL

http://d.europe.newsweek.com/en/full/53364/04-08-zellner-03.jpg?w=4000

also... http://s9.postimg.org/o600y4hr3/Untitled_3.jpg the board looks like a map



Could also be noted that... according to the board that the guy is standing near in the first link that I posted..... KZ IS planning on trying the blood age test. (Methylation Assay)

Yes, those are the tower and yes the radius of the towers as well. It looks like the top one is upside down--because the lake is in the wrong place.

 

[missy1974]

and since I'm in this thread.... earlier today I went looking at her calls again and some testimony.

So SA calls AutoTrader at 8:12. Dawn says she calls TH at 9:46am (lasted 33 seconds, her voicemail had an approximate 20 second message before the beep), there is an incoming call at that time. But also 1, at 8:17am, that lasted for 1 minute and 6 seconds. We have no way of knowing if Dawn is right about the 9:46am call because we didn't see any records that verify that, just her word at the trial. But doesn't it seem more logical that she called at 8:17? Why would she wait 90 minutes before calling TH?

So lets move on until later. Angela with AutoTrader said that TH called in while Dawn was on her lunch. Really? because I don't see that call on her cell bill at all.



All of these numbers that she called are accounted for on page 4 of this document http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Offer-of-Proof.pdf
21 is her calling her voicemail
20 is her calling Dan Morrow
19 is her calling a DC (don't want to put her name, I have no idea who she is lol)
18 is her calling Barb

She does have other incoming calls before this though.



We know that by 11:43 am she must have the information for the appointment for B.Janda because she made the call to Barb's voicemail.

So is Angela lying about her calling while Dawn was on her lunch? We have heard no information that TH had a home phone line, and it really looks like she used her cell phone all the time. Also, we have never heard that anyone tried calling her "at home" during those 3 days before she was reported missing... everyone, including her family said they called her cell phone.

In one of SA's interviews, I believe it might have been on the 9th, he does say that he thinks he called AutoTrader back later that morning to see if she was coming. Did he call and speak to Angela? Did Angela call TH to see if she would be able too make it out that day... TH said sure, fax me the info, and after getting the info she called Barb's. I wonder how long Dawn's lunch was... because TH had the information before 11:35. I still have no idea who confirmed this appointment, unless SA called back in after Dawn already knew she would take the appointment. I dunno. again...

Then later in the day... Dawn said that TH called her at 2:27pm. Not true. Dawn called TH, if that is who that call is from. Dawn also said she thought she left her a message that afternoon, but as far as I can tell, she didn't, the only other incoming call is at 1:52 and according to the VM records, the phone numbers don't match AutoTrader's. Unless AutoTrader was the call at 2:41.... the VM info doesn't show a number in the details. (I did find this directory to find out what auto-traders number is to see if it was on her bill as a dialed number, who knows if it has changed, but business don't typically change their phone numbers IMO
https://www.dmv.com/directory/wisconsin/hales-corners/auto-trader-5300-s-108th-st-15 )

Anyway.... I started looking at the records to see if things could have made more sense if the times were off by an hour.... and this is what I ended up looking at instead. IMO the information from AutoTrader just doesn't quite make sense to me... and then add to that, that TH knew it was the Avery brothers... yet she was just on her way there? :notgood: