GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[DizzyB]

Okay, it took me a while to find because this hearing was a lot earlier than I remembered. In May 2024 AT was still trying to nail down the fact that everything came from the IGG, even though the PCA didn't mention it at all. Here she's asking Brett Payne what he relied on to obtain the search warrants and the discussion about the WSU campus officer starts about 17:23.

AT: "Part of your affidavit talks about WSU officers finding white Elantras and I believe there was an officer that you had some communication with. Do you recall the date you had that communication?"

BP: "I do not recall the date."

AT: "Did you have some messaging system exchange with this officer to talk about that?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "Is that the only means of communication you had with this officer?"

BP: "No, ma'am, I believe I spoke to him on the telephone as well."

AT: "When you spoke to him on the telephone how did that relate to the date of the messaging?"

BP: "It would have likely been, if memory services, it would have likely been that same day."

AT: "Okay. Does December 20th 2022 sound familiar to you?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "And so this conversation with this officer from Washington, it related backwards to when he noticed an Elantra, is that right?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "But when he noticed it, you didn't know about that yet, is that correct?"

BP: "That is correct."

AT: "Okay, so you don't know about him or talk to him until December 20th 2022, correct?"

BP: "That's correct."

They really had nothing without the name from the IGG and with IGG untested in higher courts, they did the right thing in making this deal.
JMO

I think she would have ultimately lost, but Iris Eytan would have put up a heck of a fight against the IGG.

 

[Ghostwheel]

That makes no sense to me. He has been fighting for his daughter tooth and nail. She deserves his impact statement!!

Perhaps he knows he won't make a good impression with anything he wants to say. Or that he thinks what he wants to say will make no difference, because it actually won't, even if he said it well.

At this point, this needs to be LWOP. The judge could make it less, but not more. Making it less would be a slap in the face to everyone in Idaho, so I don't think that would happen. The judge could make it concurrent rather than consecutive. Kind of moot if it's LWOP, though. But no matter what SG says, his daughter will still be dead. The man responsible CANNOT get the DP. Absolutely nothing he says in a courtroom will make any difference as to the outcome of the sentencing. It will make no impact on BK either, and rather might bring him pleasure in seeing SGs pain, IMO. If I were him, I'd be thinking "What would be the point?" And it's probably better for him to step back due to his feelings on the matter. JMO.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I am surprised he did make that mistake of buying the knife/sheath on Amazon, where there would be a clear record of his purchases. Law enforcement could easily subpoena Amazon for those records. He could have gone to a Sporting Goods store, and bought it with cash.

Also the mistake of driving his own car, the day of and the previous days of stalking the apartment/premises. Nowadays, security cameras are everywhere, especially apartment buildings/duplexes that are rentals. He could have rented a car, which could still eventually have been traced , but it might have confused things for a while. I don't think you can rent a car without the identifier of a driver's license, at minimum.

And then the mistake of leaving his DNA on the knife.
He failed Crime Scene Evidence 101, when he believed thought he could pull off the perfect crime.

Thisv

I believe that he purchased the knife on Amazon as he was pretty confident he wouldn't get caught, and he had enough self awareness to realise that he stands out, if he had bought the knife in a sports shop or anywhere in person, someone would recall him enough to give a description.

I feel like he would give off a vibe buying a KaBar in person, but that's just a theory.

 

[otto]

I think there's one more stipulation that the families of the victims should demand. Kohberger should never be allowed to publish, or co-author a book about anything. He should be deprived of all interviews where he provides an opinion about anything.

Although there is law preventing him from writing and profiting from the crimes he committed, he is fascinated by the criminal mind and may believe that he can spend his life in prison interviewing murderers and writing about them. Something should be done today to prevent that possibility.

 

[MassGuy]

BK came prepared to commit a crime -- SA (as he might define it), murder or murders, abduction, some combination of the above.

He took precautions to prevent bringing trace in and took precautions to print trace coming out. This was different than the 23 other times because this time his phone was off.

Burglary is the right starter charge because he broke in with the intent to do violence.

It was a house rented by women.

Whom he attacked at night in or near their beds. That has sexual overtones, regardless of what else he did or didn't do, making it a sexually motivated crime. Misogyny to the hilt. Literally.

A woman's worst nightmare.

JMO

This reminds me. I think it was very important, and a requirement that the state inform the public that there was no sexual assault. So important, that Thompson repeated it twice.

Until we hear otherwise, I will continue to believe that was part of the agreement.

Kohberger is a killer, not a rapist. Somehow that’s better in his eyes.

We’ve seen this in other cases too. Kohberger knows how that would play in prison.

 

[otto]

I am one of them. I think it's far worse. Plus, as he ages, he'll develop a different outlook on his past. If Otto is right (and I believe Otto is right), due to being thorough psychopathic/antisocial, he will only feel regret about what happens to himself. He may think the IMSI is going to be like the jail in Moscow. It's not. He will not get visits from lawyers. His mail will be censored and there will be no fan mail. The commissary is notoriously poorly stocked and prisoners are barred from spending more than a small amount weekly (to keep intraprison trading and bribing at a minimum). The real currency will be physical power over others, of which he has none.

Bryan Kohberger moved to Idaho prison where inmates complained of feces covered walls

The Idaho Maximum Security Institution houses some of the state’s most dangerous inmates — including convicted killer Chad Daybell

www.the-independent.com

Some of this information comes from an email sent from my professional address to the prison.

Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI) | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

His plea deal, when finalized by Judge H, may include a ban on any book deals, but even if not, I do believe media policies at IMSI will not allow it.

IMO

Yes - ban on book deals, interviews and on providing any opinion about criminality.

Having the opportunity to study criminal minds, and to venture an opinion, is perhaps the one advantage or benefit that Kohberger sees with life in prison. That has to be taken away from him right away. He needs to be completely silenced for life.

 

[otto]

This reminds me. I think it was very important, and a requirement that the state inform the public that there was no sexual assault. So important, that Thompson repeated it twice.

Until we hear otherwise, I will continue to believe that was part of the agreement.

Kohberger is a killer, not a rapist. Somehow that’s better in his eyes.

We’ve seen this in other cases too. Kohberger knows how that would play in prison.

Now I'm curious what the autopsy reports tell us about the nature of the injuries.

 

[wary]

But some do. The Battle of Alcatraz in 1946 shows half of the perps wanting to go out through death and the other half preferring prison (they already knew what prison was, of course). Of the three who didn't die, two got the death penalty anyway and went peacefully.

I've always thought BK reminded me of Gary Gilmore (the man who went to Utah because it 1) had the death penalty and 2) had the death penalty via firing squad, his preference. He then killed 2 people, as he knew just murdering one might have resulted in life in prison (maybe).

Of course, BK studied/emulated a series of killers. And while I believe he thought of himself as only starting a long criminal career on that night in Moscow, it was important to him to get the "cred" of the death penalty if in fact he was caught. I truly think he didn't expect to be caught so soon or for the crime he originally intended.

IMO.

But if BK preferred death to LWOP, he could have taken the Gary Gilmore path. Since he didn’t, I don’t see how he’d be considered similar.

 

[getthefax]

Plenty of people clearly DO feel re-victimized. Don't dismiss them and they're going through.

Maybe don’t include every family in your declaration that they’re all revicti
Sized when they

This reminds me. I think it was very important, and a requirement that the state inform the public that there was no sexual assault. So important, that Thompson repeated it twice.

Until we hear otherwise, I will continue to believe that was part of the agreement.

Kohberger is a killer, not a rapist. Somehow that’s better in his eyes.

We’ve seen this in other cases too. Kohberger knows how that would play in prison.

Really good observation.

 

[Megnut]

I believe that he purchased the knife on Amazon as he was pretty confident he wouldn't get caught, and he had enough self awareness to realise that he stands out, if he had bought the knife in a sports shop or anywhere in person, someone would recall him enough to give a description.

I feel like he would give off a vibe buying a KaBar in person, but that's just a theory.

Plus he buried his purchase by using a gift card and at least attempted to erase/alter his search history AND monitored shipping, no doubt to intercept his own purchase before anyone in his family would see it. He may have failed at that.

No criminal giant/genius. Very elementary moves to obscure evidence.

JMO


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[Nichevo]

Okay, it took me a while to find because this hearing was a lot earlier than I remembered. In May 2024 AT was still trying to nail down the fact that everything came from the IGG, even though the PCA didn't mention it at all. Here she's asking Brett Payne what he relied on to obtain the search warrants and the discussion about the WSU campus officer starts about 17:23.

AT: "Part of your affidavit talks about WSU officers finding white Elantras and I believe there was an officer that you had some communication with. Do you recall the date you had that communication?"

BP: "I do not recall the date."

AT: "Did you have some messaging system exchange with this officer to talk about that?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "Is that the only means of communication you had with this officer?"

BP: "No, ma'am, I believe I spoke to him on the telephone as well."

AT: "When you spoke to him on the telephone how did that relate to the date of the messaging?"

BP: "It would have likely been, if memory services, it would have likely been that same day."

AT: "Okay. Does December 20th 2022 sound familiar to you?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "And so this conversation with this officer from Washington, it related backwards to when he noticed an Elantra, is that right?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "But when he noticed it, you didn't know about that yet, is that correct?"

BP: "That is correct."

AT: "Okay, so you don't know about him or talk to him until December 20th 2022, correct?"

BP: "That's correct."

They really had nothing without the name from the IGG and with IGG untested in higher courts, they did the right thing in making this deal.
JMO

I was initially quite skeptical that LE used IGG to track down BK, as I am sure many remember. Based on what you provided here and what I was able to find, the FBI gave him BK’s name on December 19th and he talked to the officer from WSU on December 20, less than 24 hrs later. What a spectacular coincidence, just reinforced their “tip” from the FBI almost immediately.

 

[Megnut]

Recalling a couple of words from his internet searches, I find myself remembering that his primary crime -- sexually motivated -- may have been to dominate a woman who could not fight back. Would he have left her alive? Was murder part of the fantasy?

Oft reported men fear being laughed at and women fear being killed.

Maybe his fantasy required a woman who couldn't laugh at his performance, whatever that looked like. Incapacitated? Unconscious? Dead? Necrophilia? Back to sheath as a signature...

Perhaps part of the fantasy was being remembered/credited for a string of terrorizing assaults, like Bundy. He didn't anticipate getting caught at the front end.

JMO

 

[LAborn]

Speaking of.....Nancy Grace put out a video an hour ago going off on the prosecution (possibly the judge too...not sure because I've not go the stomach to make myself watch the whole thing).

She's a lawyer, she knows better! That's really sad.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yes - ban on book deals, interviews and on providing any opinion about criminality.

Having the opportunity to study criminal minds, and to venture an opinion, is perhaps the one advantage or benefit that Kohberger sees with life in prison. That has to be taken away from him right away. He needs to be completely silenced for life.

Hmm. Is this something that CAN be included in sentencing? I would have thought it would be part of the plea deal if needed, but if it can be included with the sentencing that would be great.

But a question. The law prevents him from profiting off his crimes. Wouldn't in prison interviews with others ( and maybe writing on it) be profiting off his crimes since he wouldn't have unfettered access if he hadn't committed the crimes? Or is that too loose of a definition?[

 

[Sachi]

I think BK took additional counter measures that may have been missed.

Doctoring his license plate perhaps.
Leaving the crime scene into Washington, then doubling back to Idaho, before returning home. What it gained him, I don't know. Maybe a decoy stop and drop.

Manipulating his phone. Failed. Turning it back on when/where he did defies any logic I can access.

Left by way of country roads.

The sheath, if intentional, was intended to point blame elsewhere, believing he'd scrubbed the sheath clean of his DNA.

I think he had full confidence in the generic invisibility of his white sedan. Thankfully the blindness there was his.

Until LE could attach his DNA to a name, that Elantra was LE's best clue -- find the car, you find the criminal. And look, his appearance doesn't not fit the eye witness account and his DNA is an astronomic statistical match.

And now he has plead guilty to all charges and will be sentenced in a couple weeks.

Meanwhile, Scott Peterson is still exhausting appeals, decades later... an open wound for those who loved Laci. This case, in contrast, is solved, guilt determined beyond now all doubt. The losses remain but no further trauma by trial, no agony over deliberations, no lifetime of painful appeals.

I look forward to forgetting his name.

JMO

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[pittsburghgirl]

Hmm. Is this something that CAN be included in sentencing? I would have thought it would be part of the plea deal if needed, but if it can be included with the sentencing that would be great.

But a question. The law prevents him from profiting off his crimes. Wouldn't in prison interviews with others ( and maybe writing on it) be profiting off his crimes since he wouldn't have unfettered access if he hadn't committed the crimes? Or is that too loose of a definition?[

What the civil suits will do is make sure every dollar he ever makes goes to the families of the victims.

 

[Ghostwheel]

What the civil suits will do is make sure every dollar he ever makes goes to the families of the victims.

I suppose that is the "restitutiom" part of the deal.

 

[otto]

Hmm. Is this something that CAN be included in sentencing? I would have thought it would be part of the plea deal if needed, but if it can be included with the sentencing that would be great.

But a question. The law prevents him from profiting off his crimes. Wouldn't in prison interviews with others ( and maybe writing on it) be profiting off his crimes since he wouldn't have unfettered access if he hadn't committed the crimes? Or is that too loose of a definition?[

I'm not sure about the law for prisons and prisoners, but I think that something needs to be in place to ensure that Kohberger is permanently silenced. Otherwise, I think he will find a way to publish books containing first-hand interviews with, and opinions of, murderers.

 

[otto]

What the civil suits will do is make sure every dollar he ever makes goes to the families of the victims.

That's not enough. Kohberger enjoys getting into the heads of murderers and discussing what he thinks. He should not have the privilege of spreading his opinions outside of the prison.

 

[wildblue]

That makes no sense to me. He has been fighting for his daughter tooth and nail. She deserves his impact statement!!

His reaction is understandable considering that he feels no one in that courtroom cares about his or his family’s feelings in this matter. It would be like speaking to a brick wall of a disgustingly smug murderer and a court that is concerned more with dollars and being done than true justice. IMO