GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[AngTxGal]

If it does happen, then I think it won't happen for at least six months or so, until the media around the case subsides some.

Agree- they likely would not transfer him to a PA prison while the media is high, but I’m not sure how long it will take for the media to slow.
I was thinking about logical reasons to move BK to a prison in Penn rather than keep him in Idaho.
There may be a good reason- he may be developing a following there in Idaho.
If he has sick fans who travel to Idaho to do what people do- drive around the neighborhood where the house was, go to the club, drive the path he drove, visit his appt complex in Pullman, then they may put that prison on their tourism list.
I don’t know what rules there would be for visitors-
If he is in Penn, it may help to break up that pattern of media and such in Idaho.
I do not know the distance between where he will be and Moscow, but I do know there are other sites there people would visit. Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are there, as is the home where Tylee and JJ were killed.

For me it is a bit soon to visit any of those sites- but I have driven the route of Lee Harvey Oswald to the movie theater, and seen the jail where Bonnie and Clyde were housed, and I found the old homes in Salem, Mass where the witch trials took place both terrifying and fascinating. So, no judgement unless you are a nut and bother people.

I do feel for BK’s family, his parents, his sisters, they may be getting attention they do not want. People are weirdos and don’t use good judgement.

IMO

 

[10ofRods]

The documents have only added to my theory that he chose the house and did not target a victim, he had no idea who was in the home that evening, when he was driving around all of them were either in bed or going to bed, I don't think because one victim was stabbed more than another it means they were the target, I still think he meant to kill one victim but if others got in his way or were there he would kill more, I do think he intended to kill females, another reason house was chosen, murders very reminiscent of Ted Bundy student house murders,

I think he was surprised to find two girls in bed and he struggled to kill them both especially when they resisted and fought him with all there might, this is why one victim was stabbed and wounded the most she fought him in the dark (I think he had a torch, possible head torch) but he had to use his knife and the torch/light source he brought as weapons so he was having to do everything he could to kill them, IMO he intended to kill them in there sleep,
As with many murderers the victims do not act how he expects them to do on his fantasy of the murders, these victims should have been asleep when IMO he fantasised about killing them, he never expected to have to fight a victim as hard as he had to, not once but twice I think. Maddie, Kayleigh and Xana tried so hard to fight him off but he had that knife that was just so deadly but they still fought even when they must have been seriously wounded, this is what breaks my heart, how desperately they fought, how much they wanted to live, that these were there last moments, but it says everything about there characters, they were not cowards, they were so brave, so strong, so determined to fight him until they could no more, they would not give in, can you imagine what they could have done with there lives with this strength of character, the song who runs/rules the world girls runs through my head when I think about what they would have achieved, I don't think he saw Dylan
But they all 6 have left a legacy, to love fiercely, to be kind, to be gentle but a fierce warrior when needed, they have left a light that will shine forever when people think of them
They have left behind broken families who are using that break to put light and positivity in to the world in there names, asking people to do good deeds, helping students with scholarships, again revealing the character of the 6 who lived in the house, the characters the families and friends knew they possessed

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

 

[Megnut]

If the felon deployed a stun gun, would it be detectable? Would its mark be obliterated by the carnage he left behind?

Testing a stun gun, would that create a snap and a strobe?

Might he have had a light that he switched to night vision? Not a headlamp ...

Is it possible that, asleep, it was the unexpected sounds from XK retrieving her DD from the front door? Might BF have been awakened by sounds and lights from XK's TikTok screen? Or was it quite simply the click and flash of the DD verification photo, more impression than fact?

Jmo

 

[NottaYutz]

I bet money had his own dog bed in K's room and him sleeping alone was comfortable with him?

I have always wondered why the dog wasn't somehow alerted. One would think he could smell blood. (edited for correction, misnamed dog breed, and to add that maybe the dog exited through the open front door).

 

[CLGM]

Am not disputing the eye witnesses at WSU but how come those facial scratches don't show in the selfie? He edited the image or used a lower resolution?
I haven't found this witness account record in the uploads yet but it's obviously in there somewhere.

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Apologies for the next image - I realise many people are sick of seeing his face and I've forgotten whether he's right handed, but somebody on WS will know.


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I would love to know what LE (the two detectives on the case) thought when they saw this and whether this was texted to anybody. I’d also like to know what LE thought was the substance of conversation the perpetrator had with his parents that morning.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I have always wondered why the dog wasn't somehow alerted. One would think he could smell blood, and a Beauceron is described online as "imposing and powerful, but also remarkably smart, spirited, and a versatile herder. Imagine a Border Collie's brain in a 100-pound body." (from Google search AI summary).

I was under the impression that Murphy, the dog is a Labradoodle

I have always wondered why the dog wasn't somehow alerted. One would think he could smell blood, and a Beauceron is described online as "imposing and powerful, but also remarkably smart, spirited, and a versatile herder. Imagine a Border Collie's brain in a 100-pound body." (from Google search AI summary).

 

[NottaYutz]

I was under the impression that Murphy, the dog is a Labradoodle

I realized my error and corrected the post probably seconds after you posted this but before I saw your post. lol

 

[AngTxGal]

I have always wondered why the dog wasn't somehow alerted. One would think he could smell blood. (edited for correction, misnamed dog breed, and to add that maybe the dog exited through the open front door).

There were reports of a barking dog, and a recording from a camera where you could hear a dog barking and other noises. That may have been his alert
I’ve watched footage of cop bodycam walking around the neighborhood, asking people to turn their music down. That is a busy place, noisy place.
It could be that noise was so common, no one was alerted.

They did not have a back fence. If Murphy was not in a room during their parties, and people were going in and out on the back porch, the dog could also wander in and out of the house.
People in the area may have seen and known Murphy as he got out and wandered around? and not thought it was strange?
Speculations-
IMO

 

[Betty P]

Does anyone else see what could be bruises on his neck?

Sort of. The image looks like it’s been heavily modified.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't have any medical expertise at all, but reading through information this morning, it seems as though the victims were stabbed with the knife in similar areas on the body (with some variations such as Xana's extensive defensive wounds, for example).

Sure seems like he entered with a plan on where on the body to stab in order to kill. He didn't bring the knife, it seems, just to be a threat, but made specific plans on how to use it to kill.

No surprise that he intended to kill, but I think he did his homework rather then rely on the vague idea that knives can be lethal.


jmopinion

At the time of the murders, if any person googled "how to stab someone to death" they got a list of something like 9 ways to do it and why each way would be used. The organs attacked by BK are the ones mentioned in "how to murder someone silently." The newly released documents say he was holding it in the thrusting grip, which is consistent with that method of killing someone.

I agree that he did his homework, or thought he did. I think he expected only one person on the third floor, having stalked the house. He knew KG had moved out and thought MM would be alone on the third floor.

If the felon deployed a stun gun, would it be detectable? Would its mark be obliterated by the carnage he left behind?

Testing a stun gun, would that create a snap and a strobe?

Might he have had a light that he switched to night vision? Not a headlamp ...

Is it possible that, asleep, it was the unexpected sounds from XK retrieving her DD from the front door? Might BF have been awakened by sounds and lights from XK's TikTok screen? Or was it quite simply the click and flash of the DD verification photo, more impression than fact?

Jmo

Stun gun is such a good idea, Megnut! Apparently they do make a loud popping sound when deployed and a flash that would seem like a strobe.

I think they'd be able to tell if he deployed it on one of the four, but he might have deployed it thinking he saw a shadowy figure near DM's room.

It's also possible it was some kind of flashlight, of course. I can't remember what phase the moon was in, but I remember thinking he would have had enough ambient light once outside the house to dump his stuff into a waiting trash bag or similar. Surely he must have covered the seats in his car with something as well.

 

[AngTxGal]

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

One of the cops referred to DM using Kaylee. He/ she had the names mixed up.
That must be the doc you are referring to here.
It may have more info in there in terms of location of that room compared to the other rooms, then it will make more sense to be DMs room and not Kaylee’s room.

I thought Kaylee’s room was empty, that she had moved out and that is why she was in with Maddie. Maybe that isn’t the case.

IMO

 

[Justice101]

Does anyone else see what could be bruises on his neck?Did he have scratches on his face or neck in the terrible morning after selfie?

 

[10ofRods]

Agreed. His thumb up selfie didn’t display any facial scratches.

We can't really see all of the left side of his face and his neck is obscure in that thumbs up photo.

He is looking at himself with such love and admiration. High point of his life. Totally crazy, no existing diagnosis is sufficient to capture the psychopathology of this entity. He doesn't meet my definition of "person" or "human."

That being said, I'm not advocating that he receive inhumane treatment, as no one should abandon their own humanity just because BK exists (I gotta learn his inmate number).

What's really weird to me (and this is just an intuition) is that he appears to be a creature whose own self-opinion is the only thing that matters. Since his teen years, he's done a lot of things to make himself feel something, to make himself feel "better" about himself.

That photo really captures his crazed essence.

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

The Door Dash lady's witness statement combined with Gray Hugh's maps and timeline.
It's relatively short - for GH - and he ties it all together.

Explains how DD lady's confusion on the address delayed him and ensured he was caught on the camera which told LE he had no front plate.
With him in a frenzy, can imagine he was getting agitated during this sequence

 

[Megnut]

One of the cops referred to DM using Kaylee. He/ she had the names mixed up.
That must be the doc you are referring to here.
It may have more info in there in terms of location of that room compared to the other rooms, then it will make more sense to be DMs room and not Kaylee’s room.

I thought Kaylee’s room was empty, that she had moved out and that is why she was in with Maddie. Maybe that isn’t the case.

IMO

Agreed. An error. Corrected by swapping second floor for third. In the very next sentence iirc, he describes going to the third floor, after describing the bed which had the appearance of having been slept in. I believe that is consistent with DM's bed and the facts as we know them.

Reign of terror. Ten minutes, utter destruction.

Who could blame the survivors for not wanting it to be real?

I recall a book I used to read to my little girl, and a line about bravery because courage is often so misunderstood. In it, it describes bravery as being scared but doing it anyway, doing what is hard.

May BF and DM have the bravery to live forward and may that monster fade from their shadows.

May they be surrounded now by what is best in the world. May humanity be good to them.

They are so brave.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

One would think that if the knife handle was used, the ME would certainly be able to match the wounds and declare it as so. And it sounded like it would have to have been in its sheath during that part of the blitz attack in order to have not cut up the killer-I think the sheath would have to show signs of the attack. Maybe it will be in further documents. The handle stripes sound right, but it seems like that was an easy answer to give then.

I agree, it's an easy answer and maybe the size of the stripe doesn't match, or maybe the marks were too distorted to make a true match to anything. It also occurs to me if she had a sheet or pillowcase over her face that had those raised stripe edge pieces on the edge and was struck though that, that would make a stripe pattern and would not be part of the weapon. (I have a set of those). I would like to think if there were sheets like that someone could have put that together, but I have seen where what seem logical to you or I may not seem logical to LE. Life experience and all that.

I don't suppose they would take the time to figure it out anyway, since it's not that important to what killed her. JMO.

Amazon.com

 

[cottonweaver]

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

Yes it was eerie reading that but in Bethany's statement she said that initially they'd all been in Kaylee's room so maybe KG started off in her own bed before moving to MM's room and they watched a show together?

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ETA
Re watching ' Baby Daddy' to go to sleep
I don't have the LEO's report to hand. The one which covers the scene and whether there was a TV still playing in MM's room or a laptop still open etc or what time they both last called Jack

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948721124117766457

"Alivea Goncalves
Says Addressing Bryan Kohberger
Was Like Coming
'Face to Face With an Alien'.



'My body was telling me,
Run.
Get out.
This is a threat',
she said."

Alivea Goncalves Says Addressing Bryan Kohberger Was Like Coming 'Face to Face With an Alien'

"My body was telling me, 'Run. Get out. This is a threat,'" she said.

www.today.com

 

[SteveP]

Just wondering, now that IDOC #163214 has pleaded guilty to all charges, and has been sentenced to life in prison with no opportunity for parole, does that have any bearing on the separate investigation into the source(s) of any leaks that were revealed in the Dateline episode? After reading the James Patterson book, I do not feel that anything of substance was leaked to that author, at all. Does this investigation continue, has it been completed, or does it just silently go away? Will we ever know anything more about it?

 

[xjd11]

AT was in the public eye, she was not just being his professional defense attorney, she was advertising.
If BK called his mother the night of the murders, and his mother has been the one who he has called while in prison- who do you think has had communications with his defense attorney.
My guess is- it is his mom. AT would have a relationship and responsibility to her client- and his family. Her job was never to represent the victims, it was to be sure he got representation.

Sure she could be self-serving, a real piece of work, lacking empathy, all in it for the glory and fame, all in it for the photo ops. Or not.
I watched the OJ trial, his attorneys laughed it up with him regularly.
Karen Read’s attorneys smiled, touched her back, cried for her. And if she had done it- they likely still would have.
Leslie Abramson- Defended the Menendez brothers, as they cried on the stand. She showed them empathy.
Ethan Crumbley- Also had a female attorney
Nikolas Cruz- Parkland shooter- female attorney smiled and touched him during the trial, keep them from getting the death penalty.

There are actually a lot of female defense attorneys- for male killers, for whatever reason.
It may be that young men need a nurturing woman during this time of their life. They are still humans- and I don’t agree with cruel unusual punishment.
To become inhumane makes us like them- we should be better. Once they are found guilty- put them in a cage.

Some of these attorneys likely see it as their contribution to humanity- they think everyone deserves representation and do not believe in the death penalty.
Why would a woman be so bold to do something this is not only hard- but controversial. They are driven by greed, or principle, but not popularity. I find that admirable.

I think it is a fascinating emotional place to be in- to be a defense attorney to a murderer. To see the human in the monster- and represent the human.
While I assume she has struggled throughout her career to emotionally handle cases like this, I do not see her as less human, in my opinion, it makes us see that the world isn’t simply Good and Evil. She is complicated, interesting, and intelligent to understand that even monsters have rights.
I wouldn’t do it- but someone has to.

IMO

very well said!