GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[otto]

This is a very interesting theory.

I'd like to see his body language if someone posited this to him.

IMO

I noticed that he could not stop flinching when Kaylee's sister gave her victim impact statement. I think flinching is his tell when someone hits a home-run with him; when someone sees through him.

 

[otto]

I wonder whether the killer's interest in sleeping victims makes it less likely he was interested in abduction. And certainly having a victim in his car would ratchet up the possibility of leaving DNA, hair, etc. in the vehicle.

Bundy's victims were hit in the head to disable them. They weren't unconscious the entire time, but they were not capable of helping themselves after meeting Bundy.

Who is to say that Kohberger didn't have plastic liner his trunk? Kohberger was aware of evidence collection, and presumably believed that he could avoid leaving evidence. He was not a spontaneous murderer. He would have rigidly planned every detail.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950197740501143734

 

[Warwick7]

There is more evidence released.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311494971.html

 

[SteveP]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)
• Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• The prosecution team was fully ready to go to trial and thought they could secure a conviction, and Josh Hurwit was disappointed they didn’t get to go to trial (though he was on board with the plea deal).
• The plea deal was not a plea bargain, meaning there was no negotiation with the Defense. Fixler says the Prosecution may have been surprised the Defense accepted the deal.
• Thompson wanted the murderer to admit guilt, which he wouldn’t have to do with a trial.
• The murderer would most likely have been found by LE without the DNA on the knife sheath (due to the car and cell phone tower evidence, plus the Amazon purchase of the knife and sheath), however, it may have been difficult to charge him (which they didn’t do until after the trash pull in PA).
• LE did not receive the footage from the neighboring property (1112 King Rd) until a week and a half after the murders since the students living there had left Moscow.
• Thompson said there is more evidence in court records that he can’t yet speak about. This evidence increased their confidence that they had the right man.
• Dylan saw the murderer carrying something with both hands, with an arrow-shaped object on top (possibly the knife).
• Dylan didn’t know someone else was in the house when she heard a person running down the stairs, so she may have just heard the murderer (and not Kaylee or Xana).
• They aren’t sure whether Xana or Ethan was killed first.
• There is no evidence that the murderer sat in Xana’s room, nor was Xana’s blood found on the third floor.
• The back of Ethan’s legs were cut.
• James Fry was upset about the leak of the security camera footage and wants the leaker to be found.
• Fixler emphasizes importance of vetting all sources, which Dateline didn’t do, apparently. He will, however, trust what the lead prosecutor tells him in an interview.
• The murderer is not Pappa Rodger.
• Thompson intends to finish up his four-year term, but may leave early once he stabilizes his office.
• The DoorDash driver didn’t see the murderer himself (the person), but she would have been called as a witness (more to come from Fixler in The Idaho Statesman).
• According to LE, the murderer may have chosen the house at random right before the murders! (It was a crime of opportunity.)
• Thompson pursued and got the death penalty only one time in his career, but it the death penalty was removed on appeal; after that, Thompson did not pursue death penalty until the present case.
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

Bullet point 11 ...

• They aren’t sure whether Xana or Ethan was killed first.

So, after I had been thinking almost all along that Xana may have been initially harmed, then Ethan killed, before the murderer went back to finish killing her, perhaps providing the setting for the cries Dylan thought she heard, and also a strange male voice saying "It's okay, I'm going to help you", somewhere along the way recently, we were led to believe that Xana was killed, and then the now-lifer saw Ethan in bed and killed him, before quickly leaving the home.

I am now back to where I have always been, and that is that Maddie was killed, then Kaylee, and then Xana was wounded, but not mortally, before the coward went in to kill the sleeping Ethan, who was such a threat, before delivering the fatal stabs to a struggling Xana, and then leaving. This is the only scenario that makes sense to me, incorporating the statement heard, and the crying. JMO

 

[ShadyLady]

IMO
it might have been Police style long flashlight/

Didn't he need a light of some sort to move around in the house?

Dumb question: will we ever be able to hear his jail house conversations with his parents?

 

[Vaderman]

Didn't he need a light of some sort to move around in the house?

Dumb question: will we ever be able to hear his jail house conversations with his parents?

In the post-sentencing press conference, it was mentioned that the phone calls were the property of the county jails and unlikely to be released to the public.

 

[SteveP]

There is more evidence released.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311494971.html

It is behind a paywall for me, and I am unable to see it.

 

[cottonweaver]

I understand what you mean.
I really do.

But, honestly, I'm not sure if the knife handle could inflict such devastating injuries which were reported
(broken cheekbones, knocked out teeth).

I mean, the knife handle doesn't seem to be long enough.

That is why I persist with a long, heavy flashlight.
A longer tool handle usually allows to generate more impact strength.

And now they talk about the second weapon.

Why would it be so strange that BK had a torch?
I would be surprised if he didn't.

JMO

A heavy torch - not at all strange, agreed. Also I think he's the kind of planner- killer who'd carry a second 'insurance' weapon ( in his fanny pack or whatever might fit the ' abdomen bulge' which Dylan described)
However that Ka-bar is already somewhat multi-functional as a weapon with its pommel butt and its handle is ' rounded with stripes' ( So the experts say)

I was just saying that some reporters wilfully exploit the gaps left by others.
- gaps where scientists can't give 100% certainty, or
- also gaps where LEO have referenced victim privacy. LEO said at press conference and since - ' No, we'll leave those graphic injuries up to the families to disclose' and reporters know that the autopsy isn't actually available yet/if ever.

(Maybe Steve G will release his daughter's autopsy report after the 42 days? I wouldn't do it but I'm not in his shoes & I can understand why he might want that. There's a horrific detail in that Fixler interview which Warwick posted - Kaylee was also stabbed in the face! )

 

[otto]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950197740501143734

Same link ... nice model. Given the unusual layout of the house, I think the model was necessary in order for jurors to understand how those few minutes in the house unfolded.

The door to Dylan's bedroom could be mistaken for a closet since it was at the bottom of the stairs in the dark hallway next to the kitchen.

 

[cottonweaver]

It is behind a paywall for me, and I am unable to see it.

Most of the Fixler article is about the demonstrative that the Pros had built - the model of 1122 - and it describes the Defense's objections to this which Hippler rejected.

I can only quote a bit due to WS TOS, so here's the gist of the rest of it - Pros was preparing to have a DeSales prof testify had the trial gone ahead

 

[otto]

It is behind a paywall for me, and I am unable to see it.

The only point that I found interesting, beyond the scale model photos, is that the only professor on the witness list was the one who assigned this paper. This paper written by Kohberger was evidence:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25870675/bryan-kohberger-crime-scene-final.pdf

 

[Warwick7]

It is behind a paywall for me, and I am unable to see it.

It's only about the scale model. In hindsight there's not alot of info.

 

[Sundog]

Didn't he need a light of some sort to move around in the house?

Dumb question: will we ever be able to hear his jail house conversations with his parents?

I hope those conversations would be private, other than for the appropriate prison and LE officials. The parents deserve their privacy, IMO.

 

[SteveP]

The only point that I found interesting, beyond the scale model photos, is that the only professor on the witness list was the one who assigned this paper. This paper written by Kohberger was evidence:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25870675/bryan-kohberger-crime-scene-final.pdf

So I guess if Dr Ramsland had been called, it would have been by the defense? Oh wow, that would have been an interesting cross-examinnation.

 

[cottonweaver]

Does anybody know what this is in Maddie's room? Is it a narrow, tall closet that we can see in the far corner next to her window? ( Appreciate this photo is taken at an angle but her room seems even smaller than I imagined. Not a lot of room to maneuver )




Also another Q
Does anybody know if Defense were planning on calling Ramsland? Was she on their list?

ETA
Snap ! Cross posted with Steve P

 

[Dotta]

This house seems to me so weird, so bizarre...

 

[Warwick7]

Does anybody know what this is in Maddie's room? Is it a narrow, tall closet that we can see in the far corner next to her window? ( Appreciate this photo is taken at an angle but her room seems even smaller than I imagined. Not a lot of room to maneuver )
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Also another Q
Does anybody know if Defense were planning on calling Ramsland? Was she on their list?

ETA
Snap ! Cross posted with Steve P

In one of SG's and his wife's interview they said the room was extremely small.

 

[Warwick7]

This house seems to me so weird, so bizarre...

I think the back was an addition added later.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

There is more evidence released.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311494971.html

It is behind a paywall for me, and I am unable to see it.

Here’s the section of the article that addresses additional evidence:

Fry declined to detail other still unreleased pieces of evidence, which remain under seal in court records, that he said would have contributed to proving Kohberger’s guilt at trial. But he expected that would become public in the future.

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