PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[DS2021]

Idaho has two men on death row since the 1980s.

These cases can get drawn out for a longgggg time.

Death Row | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

 

[Chimera]

I feel sure the prosecution knew each family’s stance on the DP and trial. At least BK can never hurt anyone else. Will he be allowed in general population?

Bbm.
I'd imagine he would be ?

Eta : my thoughts are with the families of these four students. (Kids, to me.)
Just starting their lives.
They deserved to live !
BK does not.
Imo.

 

[femto]

Disagree. He's spending the rest of his life behind bars, probably always looking over his shoulder.

He was always going to spend the rest of his life in prison the moment he was caught. It's hard not to say he has 'won'. Sure, he gets to rot in prison but LS is a picnic compared to the DP. He'll have time for hobbies, activities, jobs, etc. Certainly if any case is a DP case it's this one but... well, let's just say I haven't been a fan of how Idaho has handled this case since the beginning.

 

[schooling]

IMO The way his defense went from grasping at straws to outright flailing signaled that this was the most likely outcome. He probably would have ended up with a life sentence via appeal because of ineffective council. To NO fault of their own, btw. He just didn't give them much to work with...

....because he did it IMO.

I feel bad for the family but personally I'm glad the show is over. Did I see it as a show? No. But both the media and social media surely did and were giving me the ick lately.

MOO

 

[Lilibet]

I bet with what fellow inmates give him in prison he’s going to wish he got the DP.

I hope that doesn’t offend anyone. OMO.

I would not be surprised if one of the inmates administers the DP.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Who else expected this? (Raises my hand ) Why?

We had all seen where AT was going and it really wasn't "He's Innocent." it was "Mitigating circumstances for why no Death Penalty.
DD driver saw him or his car.
His car was on multiple videos
His DNA was where it had no right to be.
There was no viable SODDI or TODDI
ETC.

There was no way out. And now (please don't hate me)
He gets to live as long as someone doesn't take him out in prison knowing that his evil will haunt the families because he is still alive and their children are not.

It's actually a win for him. Unless they put him in gen pop. But I would assume part of his deal would keep him away from gen pop.

I am grateful that the witnesses don't have to deal with a trial now (or multiple trials), and it is sadly rather standard for a deal to be made without any input from the families. I am very sad for the Goncalves family especially.

 

[kalekona]

Not sure how this could be seen as ineffective council, heck they almost got a reasonable doubt planted- he gave them nothing to work with that isn't their fault.

 

[mcmaffy]

The best advice to this fiend should have been given almost 2 years ago: that the evidence heavily supported a guilty verdict and therefore seeking to cut a deal / an early guilty plea would demonstrate he possessed at least something akin to humanity. Instead, he and his defense dragged this out at enormous financial, and unfathomable emotional, cost. Shame on all of them.

 

[Cedars]

I don't understand why they'd offer him a plea deal, this conviction would look great on a DA's resume, everything to me screams slam dunk

A major plea deal looks even better on a DA's resume.

A DA is not like a defense lawyer, looking for attention to attract high profile clients.

A DA is striving for a high level of competence for the whole prosecution system.

A Kansas DA's perspective:

"I’ve always said it’s not a question of whether we’re going to plea bargain,” Gillespie said. “We have to plea bargain. The system would break down if we didn’t. The question is, what is the plea going to be at?”

https://www.texomashomepage.com/news/local-news/why-prosecutors-still-seek-plea-deals-in-major-cases/

 

[Melsworld]

Idaho has two men on death row since the 1980s.

These cases can get drawn out for a longgggg time.

Death Row | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

There's still that feeling like he's in control of all of this and getting his way again. I cannot even begin to express how pissed off that imagine makes me. I'm mad as hell.

 

[kalekona]

His evil will haunt the families regardless- the Prosecution met with the families they wouldn't have agreed to the deal if the families were against it.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

He's accepted a plea deal

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Snide, I know, but I really don't want to hear AT anymore. "BK is innocent..." Therecare a lot of ways of upholding the presumption of innocence but IMO that declaration isn't one of them.

JMO

Doggone it, this reminds me of the Probergers we had on this site, who insisted BK had to be innocent, because AT stood up in court and declared he was. And how AT couldn't lie to the court. Therefore, he was innocent. Sheesh.

 

[KSwizzle]

His evil will haunt the families regardless- the Prosecution met with the families they wouldn't have agreed to the deal if the families were against it.

Two of the families are against the plea deal

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I bet with what fellow inmates give him in prison he’s going to wish he got the DP.

I hope that doesn’t offend anyone. OMO.

I hear you. But just think one second about what this man now ADMITS he did. Prisoners with half a brain will fear him. If anyone does take him out, it will be for the same reason that Daumer was beaten to death. Which is why BK will be protected—perhaps he’ll be housed in a solitary cell, but without the restricted privileges and constant ticking of the clock on Death Row.

IMO

 

[al66pine]

That is why, as the DPIC’s Death Penalty Census says, “[T]he single most likely outcome of a death sentence imposed in the United States is that the sentence or conviction is ultimately overturned and not re-imposed…. By comparison, fewer than one in six (15.7%) death sentences ended in execution.”
15%. With that “success” rate, why bother?

Why Does the United States Bother to Impose Death Sentences?

Amherst professor Austin Sarat examines recent death penalty statistics and trends in the United States, drawing from the Death Penalty Information Center’s 2024 Annual Report and Death Penalty Census...

verdict.justia.com

@Wishbone Interesting reading.mClipped from your linked article:

"An article in Vox suggests that “many factors that likely contribute to the death penalty’s decline...
"It observes “that one of the biggest factors driving the decline in death sentences is the fact that capital defendants typically receive far better legal representation today than they did a generation ago.”

Not commenting about the DP generally, but it seems imo, as a capital defendant that BK is one who has been receiving far better legal representation than many other deft's in the US got a generation ago.
And likely than many other deft's are currently receiving.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

My heart breaks for the families not ever knowing the details, not being able to face the man that murdered their child. Nothing will ever easy their pain.

Moo...

I'm so hoping Judge Hippler insists he allocute to his crimes and confess why he committed these atrocious acts, why those students or house, where he put the murder weapon, etc. Answer the questions or you go to trial.

 

[MassGuy]

I have no attention span for this, but some of you might be interested.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I have no attention span for this, but some of you might be interested.

Neither do I…but I have little doubt that had this happened in Colorado, Scott would have bested this defense team and secured the death penalty in mere months. Wasted opportunity. If only Barry would listen!

 

[Cedars]

I hear you. But just think one second about what this man now ADMITS he did. Prisoners with half a brain will fear him. If anyone does take him out, it will be for the same reason that Daumer was beaten to death. Which is why BK will be protected—perhaps he’ll be housed in a solitary cell, but without the restricted privileges and constant ticking of the clock on Death Row.

IMO

I just don't get this.

He's not some tough cartel assassin, who killed dozens of Hell's Angel's single handedly.

He entered a home to knife a GIRL, when she was ASLEEP.

People didn't fear him before he did it, there's nothing scary about him now.

Plenty of other dudes are in prison because they killed women...there's probably a social club.