PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[LovesPeace2]

Shocked. I figured he’d fight this to the bitter end.

Holy heck he pulled a CW

 

[FoxxTraxx]

He was always going to spend the rest of his life in prison the moment he was caught. It's hard not to say he has 'won'. Sure, he gets to rot in prison but LS is a picnic compared to the DP. He'll have time for hobbies, activities, jobs, etc. Certainly if any case is a DP case it's this one but... well, let's just say I haven't been a fan of how Idaho has handled this case since the beginning.

There are more than a few cases where fellow inmates decided to administer the DP to an inmate who thought he had avoided it.

 

[SteveP]

I'm so hoping Judge Hippler insists he allocute to his crimes and confess why he committed these atrocious acts, why those students or house, where he put the murder weapon, etc. Answer the questions or you go to trial.

I think he should have to tell the court where his knife and kill kit were put, and if possible, they should be found. As to anything he might say about any of the why's, who would believe anything he said? He would have a hard time selling ice water to a man in hell. JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

They don't have to. It is the State of Idaho against BK. I am actually surprised, I thought he would do an "Alford Plea", he still can. He won’t accept guilt, he just agrees there is enough evidence against him to be considered "guilty".

The prosecution would not allow an Alford Plea in this case. He doesn't get to take death off the table and still maintain he's innocent. It's guilty, LWOP and no appeals.

 

[LinasK]

I think he’s going to have to plead guilty. JMHO

Good! Alford pleas tick me off!!! They are admitting guilt without admitting guilt. At that point, just man up and admit what you did.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Although victims/families must be consulted about negotiated plea proposals, they are not clients in the sense that parties to a civil case are. The prosecutor represents the people at large and has sole discretion to accept or reject the plea deal offered by the defendant. Of course, the judge has discretion to reject it as unjust and require a trial. But I've never seen a judge insist that prosecutors must seek the death penalty to achieve justice. I understand the families' feelings completely and empathize, but I don't think the judge will reject the guilty pleas.

I speculate that AT raised just enough concern that a DP verdict could be overturned on fair trial/due process grounds and that the case would at least remain on appeal for the rest of BK's life making a mockery of the process, that 4 guilty pleas and 4 life sentences without parole represented the best outcome he could get for the People of Idaho.

And I think the pleas will hold up if BK gets buyer's remorse and decides to claim AT's representation was inadequate.

Thank you!
So if the 4 life sentences w/o parole is accepted by the judge which includes no right to appeal the sentence he still can try to get an appeal on an ineffective counsel?

 

[LinasK]

So is it safe to say that his lead counsel knew he was guilty? Just last week they brought up other potential suspects and the judge shot that down quickly.

He is disgusting, he has put everyone through this for what-just to be in the spotlight every day since his arrest.

It appears to me that she knew she didn't have a strong case. All the mitigating factors and SODDIs she tried to bring in failed. They probably reached out to the prosecutor and asked for the deal because the coward doesn't want to have to face death.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't think so, I think that would open up too many bases for appeal.

Actually, in the Jake Wagner case in Oklahoma (Pike County murders) the judge disregarded the deal and gave him the possibility of parole, in spite of the prosecution wanting no parole...

And Jake Wagner AGREEING to that. Judge Hippler's not that guy, thankfully.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Doggone it, this reminds me of the Probergers we had on this site, who insisted BK had to be innocent, because AT stood up in court and declared he was. And how AT couldn't lie to the court. Therefore, he was innocent. Sheesh.

AT saw the evidence and knew what her client did. She knew he was guilty and tried to get him off anyway so he would not face the possibility of the death penalty.

At least she ended up doing the right thing in the end, IMHO: save his life by encouraging him to publicly admit what he did and accept the consequences of his actions. Maybe she tried to do this from day one.

I hope for BK’s soul, if he has one, that he is pleading guilty because he finally had a crisis of conscience—in the past, I thought this possible due to his upbringing and his self-awareness that he is broken—but the timing of this smacks of him finally accepting that he will likely face the firing squad if he doesn’t plead guilty. I hope I’m wrong for the sake of his parents.

IMO

 

[Arkay]

WHOA!!!!!!!
I go out for dinner for a few hours and come back to find the title changed to plea deal!!!!!

I’m stunned! I know nothing and don’t know what to think!

Time to catch up here and I am grateful because I know my fellow posters will have all the details.

My head is spinning

 

[LinasK]

I believe this was his plan all along. Let it drag out to achieve as much infamy as he could.
Now he will go to prison and become a jail house legal aid. Inmates will flock to him to get his legal advice. Making offers of Little Debbie cakes and Hygiene products. Doing his laundry among other things. JMO. SMH!

He can form a legal partnership with Lori Vallow Daybell. She'll be headed back to Idaho too!

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I'm so hoping Judge Hippler insists he allocute to his crimes and confess why he committed these atrocious acts, why those students or house, where he put the murder weapon, etc. Answer the questions or you go to trial.

I think he should have to tell the court where his knife and kill kit were put, and if possible, they should be found. As to anything he might say about any of the why's, who would believe anything he said? He would have a hard time selling ice water to a man in hell. JMO

I may be overly optimistic here, but I think Hippler will require BK to tell enough so the public will be satisfied of his guilt. He cannot let doubt linger. He said that enough in court.

IMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Was a guilty verdict really that sure of a thing? I don't think a plea would be offered here if that were the case.

I've always believed this verdict wasn't a slam dunk. I think if it had been, the DA wouldn't have gone along with a plea deal. The families were staunchly against it and IMO, a quadruple homicide so brutal deserves its day in court. There's only one reason a DA goes along with this, IMO. There was concern about the jury and whether or not they'd come back with a unanimous verdict.

MOO.

 

[gremlin444]

Thank you!
So if the 4 life sentences w/o parole is accepted by the judge which includes no right to appeal the sentence he still can try to get an appeal on an ineffective counsel?

No. No appeal means no appeal at all, on any grounds.

 

[statt#1]

He's a cold blooded murderer, a coward beyond comprehension. Evil personified. Administer of death, yet fearful thereof. Total coward.

I hope he lives long in prison, tormented daily. I don't wish him deceased, rather, lifer's messing with him for years to come.....administering terror, bewilderment, frustration, and despair, physical pain, psychological torture, but not death, no, that would be too easy.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Well, if it is as carefully thought out as his murder plan, his escape route map will fall out of his jumpsuit, and onto the floor at the warden's feet.

Seriously, he will probably be safer in prison than outside. JMO

Someone earlier said now BK in prison can get a job and make friends. Not sure whether than was sarcasm because I can see thinking prison is a better deal than the firing squad. But BK is not the kind of killer than will do well in a macho prison culture. The one thing we absolutely know about him is that people don't like him. He's a know-it-all and a weirdo. Prison probably has a lot of weirdos but even in prison, it helps if people can read the room, in this case a room full of people who killed for money, advantage, revenge, and "get out of my way" compared to BK's Bundy fanboy act and his awkwardness.

 

[Luna20]

It appears to me that she knew she didn't have a strong case. All the mitigating factors and SODDIs she tried to bring in failed. They probably reached out to the prosecutor and asked for the deal because the coward doesn't want to have to face death.

I’m so curious about the inner workings of AT simply because of her going after the case. At what point does she ‘herself’ mentally make the switch. She fought to have the case so she obviously starts out that way.

What happened between last week’s other possible suspects motion that the judge shut down and today saying he is guilty? Are we supposed to believe that she believed him up until today?

I know attorneys have to represent guilty people but she especially stands out because of how she put up a wall to block out all other work.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Holy heck he pulled a CW

Another known coward.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I am most thankful that the two surviving roommates don’t have to be re-traumatized by testifying.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I just don't get this.

He's not some tough cartel assassin, who killed dozens of Hell's Angel's single handedly.

He entered a home to knife a GIRL, when she was ASLEEP.

People didn't fear him before he did it, there's nothing scary about him now.

Plenty of other dudes are in prison because they killed women...there's probably a social club.

Kaylee wasn’t asleep, and neither was Xana. Good thing we don’t have to see the crime scene photos.