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Indeed, UKGUY, WHY be so distant from your distraught wife and ferret your son away if you think your daughter is missing and away from the house, possibly never to be returned safely now, since the police were called in. You would clutch your remaining child for all he's worth, IMO, especially if he did not know a thing and would necessarily be distraught and in need of parental comforting.
Now, not so fast on PR's forensic evidence being all over JB and not JR's. PR's fibers COULD have gotten in the places we know about by secondary transfer....not probable, granted, but still possible. And remember, investigators told JR that they had evidence the fibers from his special wool shirt were found inside the crotch of those (dang em anyway) size 12 Bloomies. I would say that INSIDE the crotch is not so likely to be through secondary transfer, but in all fairness, I suppose we have to consider it possible. I mean, JR did....he replied: " bull**** " and a few other crass comments when he was questioned about it.
Wasn't it your Shakespeare who penned the line, "methinks thou doest protesteth too loudly"?:notgood:
This is for DeeDee249, who has patiently gone over the liver mortis aspect of JB being moved so many times and some of us still have a hard time grasping: IF JB had been placed in the same position elsewhere in the house, and then somehow put into the wine cellar between the time FW saw nothing and JR "found" her there, wouldn't there have been an additional liver mortis pattern, or would there be no additional patterns seen if she were carefully lifted up and placed down in the same position?
Glad to try again: Livor Mortis occurs when blood in a dead body is pulled by gravity to the parts of the body closest to the floor or ground. Livor Mortis has TWO stages- blanching (also known as non-fixed) and Non-Blanching (fixed). When you press a finger into your body, usually in a leg or arm is easiest to see, there will be a small white area under where your finger pressed when you take your finger away. That white spot is called "blanching". In a LIVE person, the blood rushes back into the space when whatever made the pressure is removed. Not in a dead body. In a dead body, when livor forms, in the first stage the blood is still somewhat liquid, even though it is no longer circulating. That is the NON-FIXED-blanching stage. The blood will move around when you move the body, and will move away under the skin when something presses into it (such as the folds in clothing). So the position a body is in makes the first livor pattern. In JB's case, the livor pattern was on the right side of her face (her head was cocked to the right) and on her back. This is consistent with the position she was in when her body was found- lying on her back, head cocked to the right. Had her body been moved during this first NON-FIXED -BLANCHING stage, another liver pattern would have formed IN ADDITION to the original one. There were NO OTHER livor patterns found. JB back, in the autopsy photos, shows the white marks from the folds of her shirt.
However, IF the body was moved during the second stage (the FIXED - NON-BLANCHNG stage) NO other pattern would form because at that point the blood has gelled and is no longer liquid.
Things pressed into a body during blanching make a white mark, and that mark remains even when livor becomes fixed. Had she been already dead, the ligature furrows would be white, even after the coroner cut the ligature off.
To answer your question, YES, there would have been an additional pattern if she was moved but ONLY during the non-fixed stage. Even if she were picked up carefully and placed in the same position, I cannot imagine it being done SO carefully that the body would not move at all.
Livor mortis is one of the things that determined whether a body has been moved (along with other things like fiber evidence or other debris found on a body) and is admissible in court.
From the time of JB's death (approx between midnight and 1 AM) and the time of the first people arriving at the house was 6-7 hours. Livor was likely fixed by then. BUT- rigor mortis was progressing. Manipulating a body will BREAK rigor, and once broken, it will not re-form. So that is why I am so adamant about JB not having been in a suitcase, freezer, under something, etc. There would either be another livor pattern OR evidence of broken rigor. The most that could have happened is she'd have been carried UPRIGHT in the position JR carried her upstairs in if she was moved. JR did not break her rigor when he carried her up this way. But had he put her over his shoulder, bent her legs across his arms, or any other more forceful movement, rigor would break, and the coroner would know it. She was in FULL unbroken rigor when the coroner first saw the body, and by the autopsy on the morning of the 27th, rigor was beginning to fade in some joints.
I like to use this analogy (and scroll down if you are tired of seeing it):
Imagine a bowl of red Jello. Freshly made it is still liquid and will slosh around when you move the bowl. But as it sets, it "gels" or thickens. If you tilt the bowl, some of it will stick to the sides of the bowl and remain there in place. If you pick it up a second time, it will make another pattern, over the first, but the first pattern remains. But after more time has passed, the Jello has completely gelled and even if you move the bowl around, it will not make another pattern.
