Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[oceanblueeyes]

nobody could force me to jump. how about ya'll? not even at gunpoint. they would have to shoot me or shove me.

eta: i agree with someone upthread in that i believe she was expired before she ever went over the railing. how many crime scene photos have ya'll looked at? some of you have looked at hundreds or even thousands and i have looked at a few myself and imo the position she was in was the position she died in and she didn't die in that position hanging by her neck. jmo

I would fight with all my might. I would wrestle for the gun if a gun was pulled on me or even a knife because I would know if I let myself be bound I would have no chance whatsoever to survive but be at the mercy of the one who bound me.

Now having said that..........I am one of those who has looked at thousands of crime scene photos over the years.

But with these photos I cannot say that was the position she was in when she died. These photos were taken at 2:00 pm later in the afternoon. It does not show us where she was located before the 911 6:45 am call.

Although there is a short rope hanging from the bottom middle of the balcony. All it shows us is where her body was located once she was cut down and placed on the soft grassy area. The EMTs came on right after the 911 call.

So imo all it shows is she had been mostly laid out straight except slightly more on one side due to her hands being bound behind her back. Her face is straight up though. I am sure the EMTs checked her eyes to see if they were fixed and dialated or with any signs of life when they arrived.

IMO

 

[Wendy101]

Perhaps she did not want the divorce in the first place?
"Early the next year, Ms Shacknai, a child psychologist, called police claiming her husband had elbowed her in the right breast and swore at her as he attempted to drive away from the house.
He had visited the marital home - after leaving it several days earlier - to take Max out to dinner and then read him a bedtime story, Mr Shacknai told police.
He also claimed he didn't strike her, saying instead she tried to pull the keys out of his car while yelling 'You cannot leave me!'
He claims his wife laid down on the driveway in front of the car to stop him leaving.
According to the report, she then 'jumped on the front of the car... tried to push her way into the car... slapping him around the face and shoulders.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html#ixzz1Tdz9TKeV

Wow! Wonder if she was allowed to keep her job as a child psychologist?

 

[pferrin]

Frankly I think the abuse done was tit for tat between the both of them. They both seemed to be highly emotionally charged and the slightest thing seems to set them both off especially during their breaking up period.

I think it is like most divorces. Usually one wants out and the other one fights it and wants the spouse to stay. It seems Jonah wanted out and Dina did not want him to leave her.

So she could have still loved him.

imo

I concur..hehehe.

And this statement may be upsetting to some..but some dogs have good sense. If JS was the dogs master and she was yelling at JS ..dog bite.

My dogs would do it in a New York second. Animals are protective.

Now if the dog bit her when she was being a sweetie pie..then that is a whole different issue.

 

[MizStery]

Wow! Wonder if she was allowed to keep her job as a child psychologist?

And Wendy he,he,he I assume you are no mental health expert.:floorlaugh:

 

[pferrin]

And Wendy he,he,he I assume you are no mental health expert.:floorlaugh:

and equally important to ask..Wendy are you a grief counselor..hehehe
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I concur..hehehe.

And this statement may be upsetting to some..but some dogs have good sense. If JS was the dogs master and she was yelling at JS ..dog bite.

My dogs would do it in a New York second. Animals are protective.

Now if the dog bit her when she was being a sweetie pie..then that is a whole different issue.

We have some friends who has a dog like that. Their dog is so bonded to the husband and is spoiled rotten, lol, and his wife cant even 'play' like she is hitting him on the shoulder without the dog going nuts showing his teeth in a menacing snarl and growling and barking like a crazy Cujo.:floorlaugh:

Its strange. The dog loves the wife too and everything is fine as long as the dog thinks everything is ok between the two of them. We are always telling them that dog keeps them on the straight and narrow. :floorlaugh:

IMO

 

[Carrington]

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/JusticeCourtCases/caseSearch.asp

Howdy Defense..here is a place to check..a couple of things on NN

And, the article checks out.
IMO

 

[nanny2five]

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BBM

His apartment manager said "he saw him a couple days ago". The article was written on the 15th; MS had his "accident" on the the 11th. Did he see him Sunday, Monday or Tuesday am (not sure when he arrived at the mansion - Monday/Tueday)....

Did JS or someone send for him? To get information from RN? Do "do the dirty work"?

I don't think RN's death was random either....the way she was found...speak anger, anger, anger..

This was also taken from the article:

Adam Shacknai said from San Diego that the police were questioning him but he did not have anything to do with Nalepa's death.

Why would you say that??? Did JS or DS make such statements????

Without more information, there are to many unanswered questions and theories

he probably said it because the reporter ask him if he had anything to do with her death.

 

[arielilane]

I'm sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but why would DS (or any woman) have trouble letting go of a man that she stood up in front of God and everybody and claimed abused her?

If she received some sort of alimony in the divorce settlement, that is not going to be contingent upon Max being alive or not, unless that is a most unusual settlement. Legally JS has to pay it no matter what.

Any child support she was awarded for Max has to be spent on Max, not herself.

So I don't see money being a motive.

Why, then, would she not want to let go of her abuser? :waitasec:

ETA: Yes, I am well aware of battered woman syndrome. However, once the woman reaches the point of litigation and public accusation, it is nhighly unusual for her to return to the batterer if he pursues her, and almost unheard of if he does not.

Nor have I ever heard of an instance where a battered woman pursued her abuser after the fact; usually such women return to their abusers only because the abuser pursues them and the woman feels she has no other choice financially but to go back. With a well-paying career of her own, DS was obviously not in that situation.

It's really complicated, but it happens. Some people just can't handle rejection. There is a lot of dysfunctional behavior. I suspect it became worse when another woman came in the picture and became a part of the child's life.

 

[defense101]

And, the article checks out.
IMO

Does anyone know of NN's whereabouts when this happened. I found it strange that he said he didn't find out about her death until Thursday, I'm in Canada and I heard about it on the day it happened.

 

[mentalsolstice]

Everyone is going by what AS said but never applying what and how he did it.

Cut her down.

Cut the rope from the balcony, let the body fall to the ground run down stairs, carry her to the grass so you can revive her? leaving here on her side?

Climb on a three legged table, hold a dead body, lift the tension off the rope and cut it? Climb down carry her to the grass.

When I look at the photo. I see her carried from the right to the grass area with the orange cord dragging behind. The table placed on the walkway.

As for the flinging cord. Very difficult to move dead weight. Have someone pretend to be dead and see how easy it is to move them more so spin 180 with enough force to have a 6 foot cord extend out like the photo.

MOO, I just don't understand the fixation on AS as the prime suspect at this point. Until more evidence is made public, myself and many others here are not ready to paint him (or in fact anyone else) as the villain.

Except for the fact he was staying in the guest house, there isn't anything tying him to a murder or suicide. NOTHING there. If and when LE comes up with evidence against him, then I'll start looking at him as a POI. Right now it is pure speculation, and he is merely a witness. I don't see a motive, and I don't see anything in his behavior that suggests he killed RN. All I see is a grasping at straws, while we're waiting for LE to come out with something official. MOO

While we're at it, let's speculate that George Anthony was involved, he had an affair with RN and he made an accident (erotic asphyxiation) look like a suicide or murder ...and oh, I'm getting so confused now. I need to step away from the computer!

 

[pferrin]

It's really complicated, but it happens. Some people just can't handle rejection. There is a lot of dysfunctional behavior. I suspect it became worse when another woman came in the picture and became a part of the child's life.

Some folks get addicted to the drama of it..they refuse to let things calm down. Betty Broderick.

 

[arielilane]

Whomever did this to Rebecca was angry and it was personal. It was someone that was comfortable in that home and must have spent some time there before she was killed. In addition, I can't figure why they would turn up the music to drown out any noise...unless she was shot.

 

[MizStery]

It's really complicated, but it happens. Some people just can't handle rejection. There is a lot of dysfunctional behavior. I suspect it became worse when another woman came in the picture and became a part of the child's life.

And don't forget the prestigious Oscar de la Renta luncheon's. Dressing like a movie star and rubbing elbows with them too. Attending charity balls. Having your picture in magazine's. Having write ups in the society columns along with your picture and being linked to owning a company with muti-million dollar revenues. She liked being powerful.:twocents:

 

[pferrin]

I know how ya feel Mentalsolstice..I am getting punchy..hehehe. The ICA case made us all a little more crazy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

MOO, I just don't understand the fixation on AS as the prime suspect at this point. Until more evidence is made public, myself and many others here are not ready to paint him (or in fact anyone else) as the villain.

Except for the fact he was staying in the guest house, there isn't anything tying him to a murder or suicide. NOTHING there. If and when LE comes up with evidence against him, then I'll start looking at him as a POI. Right now it is pure speculation, and he is merely a witness. I don't see a motive, and I don't see anything in his behavior that suggests he killed RN. All I see is a grasping at straws, while we're waiting for LE to come out with something official. MOO

While we're at it, let's speculate that George Anthony was involved, he had an affair with RN and he made an accident (erotic asphyxiation) look like a suicide or murder ...and oh, I'm getting so confused now. I need to step away from the computer!

BBM

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Surely they can link George into this case somehow. I hear just merely using his name can get a murderer off scott free!:crazy:

IMO

 

[pferrin]

Whomever did this to Rebecca was angry and it was personal. It was someone that was comfortable in that home and must have spent some time there before she was killed. In addition, I can't figure why they would turn up the music to drown out any noise...unless she was shot.

In case she screamed???

 

[arielilane]

In case she screamed???

True.

 

[defense101]

MOO, I just don't understand the fixation on AS as the prime suspect at this point. Until more evidence is made public, myself and many others here are not ready to paint him (or in fact anyone else) as the villain.

Except for the fact he was staying in the guest house, there isn't anything tying him to a murder or suicide. NOTHING there. If and when LE comes up with evidence against him, then I'll start looking at him as a POI. Right now it is pure speculation, and he is merely a witness. I don't see a motive, and I don't see anything in his behavior that suggests he killed RN. All I see is a grasping at straws, while we're waiting for LE to come out with something official. MOO

While we're at it, let's speculate that George Anthony was involved, he had an affair with RN and he made an accident (erotic asphyxiation) look like a suicide or murder ...and oh, I'm getting so confused now. I need to step away from the computer!

He was supposedly the only person in the house the night it happened its only natural he would be someone that would pique a persons interest as all the other "witnesses" in this case. imo

 

[arielilane]

It's just that hasn't the police been called about noise in that neighborhood more than once? This probably has already been discussed.