Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[oceanblueeyes]

I sure wish we would get some new info.:banghead:

We actually know very little and I have a feeling the results is going to take some time. What I can't figure out though is ....... why so long?

IMO

 

[mentalsolstice]

oceanblueeyes's

Where is AS now?

Does it matter? It seems he was cleared by LE to leave the area and go about his personal business and job. I'm sure LE advised him about restrictions on his whereabouts, in case they needed to question him further.

 

[arielilane]

o/t Didn't a neighbor hear one loud scream out of the Ramsey home that dreadful night. It would make sense to play music.
Do you think people that kill think about other well known crimes when planning or committing a crime in order to avoid making the same mistakes? It's getting late....lol

 

[pferrin]

It's just that hasn't the police been called about noise in that neighborhood more than once? This probably has already been discussed.

I believe the police had been called to avenue G(DS) addy for loud noise a few times...they were called to JS for burglary..usually the wealthy are adamant about having security systems especially after breakins. Not here tho.

 

[nanny2five]

Hi Nanny..be glad to.

Electrical cords do not hold a knot well at all..unless you are a sailor or used to mountain climbing knots.
They are slippery.
The end loosens very quickly..difficult to tighten.
Almost impossible to tie around your own hands to make it secure

If you use duct tape or electrical tape you could have knots stay secure for a longer period of time.
And yes they are bulky to work with.
Alot heavier than normal rope.
The larger diameter electrical cord..the more difficult to work with.
I was rolling up an elctrical cord the other day and my brother said electricians are the only ones that can tie cords up...not true ..but they are challenging :fence:

thank you pferrin, that helps alot. so very unlikely that she tied herself up with one of those cords especially if she (like most women) had no knowledge of special knots. but it would not be difficult for someone to tie another person up with those cords especially anyone who ever was a boy scout or sailed a boat or even did macremae (sp).

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I know how ya feel Mentalsolstice..I am getting punchy..hehehe. The ICA case made us all a little more crazy.

No kidding.... I've been over at Celina C's thread and the first questions that entered my mind were: has anyone close to Celina recently entered a hot bod contest, desiccated the American Flag by wrapping it around their body or has a car that smells like a rotting pizza and/or road kill.

 

[nanny2five]

BBM

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Surely they can link George into this case somehow. I hear just merely using his name can get a murderer off scott free!:crazy:

IMO

:floorlaugh:

 

[Wendy101]

MOO, I just don't understand the fixation on AS as the prime suspect at this point. Until more evidence is made public, myself and many others here are not ready to paint him (or in fact anyone else) as the villain.

Except for the fact he was staying in the guest house, there isn't anything tying him to a murder or suicide. NOTHING there. If and when LE comes up with evidence against him, then I'll start looking at him as a POI. Right now it is pure speculation, and he is merely a witness. I don't see a motive, and I don't see anything in his behavior that suggests he killed RN. All I see is a grasping at straws, while we're waiting for LE to come out with something official. MOO

While we're at it, let's speculate that George Anthony was involved, he had an affair with RN and he made an accident (erotic asphyxiation) look like a suicide or murder ...and oh, I'm getting so confused now. I need to step away from the computer!

George? I was thinking Casey.. I figure she must be wanting JS to be her man... I bet she studied him while in jail.. so in order to have him, she had to get rid of Rebecca. Being that Maxies accident was broadcasted and the public knew, Casey assumed Rebecca would be home alone....she was right. :crazy::crazy:

 

[i.b.nora]

Does anyone know of NN's whereabouts when this happened. I found it strange that he said he didn't find out about her death until Thursday, I'm in Canada and I heard about it on the day it happened.

Well, you were probably reading and posting at Websleuths on that Wednesday and he probably wasn't. Also, the coroner makes the official identification, and then has to notify the next of kin before the identity can be made public.
I don't think the coroner even arrived until that Wednesday night.

In an article here published on Thursday July 15, it says that: The San Diego Sheriff’s Office on Thursday identified the woman as 32-year-old Rebecca Nalepa, the girlfriend of Jonah Shacknai, 54, founder and CEO of Scottsdale-based Medicis Pharmaceuticals Corp.

A sheriff’s spokesman described her death as unique and bizarre and said they have not determined if her death was a homicide or suicide.

It further says: "Nalepa is a Scottsdale resident who has been dating and living with Shacknai for about two years, according to relatives with both families.

Her ex-husband, Neil Nalepa, also of Scottsdale, said he had learned about Rebecca’s death Thursday morning and was in shock.

“This is all overwhelming,” he said. “I’m just trying to wrap my head around it.”"

 

[mentalsolstice]

pferrin, i am behind as usual, sorry if this has already been addressed. i think i agree with you, but not having the use experience with those sorts of cords that you have i couldn't be sure it would be a bad choice. can you give us example of reasons it would be a bad choice? is it the size? bulkiness? thanks for your insight

Even if the electrical cord could not have been used for hanging her, as in too thick or unwieldy tie a knot for a hanging, could it have been used to bind her hands and legs? Hands bound to keep her from resisting her attacker and from reaching up to the noose to instinctively try to save herself? Legs bound to keep from kicking her attacker?

 

[sdcali]

I'm sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but why would DS (or any woman) have trouble letting go of a man that she stood up in front of God and everybody and claimed abused her?

If she received some sort of alimony in the divorce settlement, that is not going to be contingent upon Max being alive or not, unless that is a most unusual settlement. Legally JS has to pay it no matter what.

Any child support she was awarded for Max has to be spent on Max, not herself.

So I don't see money being a motive.

Why, then, would she not want to let go of her abuser? :waitasec:

ETA: Yes, I am well aware of battered woman syndrome. However, once the woman reaches the point of litigation and public accusation, it is highly unusual for her to return to the batterer if he pursues her, and almost unheard of if he does not.

Nor have I ever heard of an instance where a battered woman pursued her abuser after the fact; usually such women return to their abusers only because the abuser pursues them and the woman feels she has no other choice financially but to go back. With a well-paying career of her own, DS was obviously not in that situation.

BBM Child support is intended to support the child. In CA, it is based on the income of the parties and the parents' timeshare with the child. "support for the child" means cost for housing, food, clothing, etc. However, unless the child's needs are not being met, there is no accounting as to how the money is spent.

I work in Family Law and when the amount of child support is a "very big number" (I am familiar with a case with an pro athlete whose child support was $20k a month)...that money is NOT spent on just the child alone. How could it? It can mean, better vacations, nicer house...you get the picture...

 

[i.b.nora]

I believe the police had been called to avenue G(DS) addy for loud noise a few times...they were called to JS for burglary..usually the wealthy are adamant about having security systems especially after breakins. Not here tho.

I think the Spreckels Mansion does have or is linked up to a security system. I would be willing to bet that all the doors and windows are alarmed. Probably sends automatic calls to police, or however that works.

There is a sign in the front of the house that looks like a security system sign. Someone posted an enlarged version of it, and while you can't actually read the sign, it sure looks like that kind of sign to me.

 

[nanny2five]

I would fight with all my might. I would wrestle for the gun if a gun was pulled on me or even a knife because I would know if I let myself be bound I would have no chance whatsoever to survive but be at the mercy of the one who bound me.

Now having said that..........I am one of those who has looked at thousands of crime scene photos over the years.

But with these photos I cannot say that was the position she was in when she died. These photos were taken at 2:00 pm later in the afternoon. It does not show us where she was located before the 911 6:45 am call.

Although there is a short rope hanging from the bottom middle of the balcony. All it shows us is where her body was located once she was cut down and placed on the soft grassy area. The EMTs came on right after the 911 call.

So imo all it shows is she had been mostly laid out straight except slightly more on one side due to her hands being bound behind her back. Her face is straight up though. I am sure the EMTs checked her eyes to see if they were fixed and dialated or with any signs of life when they arrived.

IMO

thank you, ocean for being so thorough. i try to look at all the little details but i just can't stand to examine it that closely. i also didn't realize the pics were so late in the day.

 

[Inobu]

Ok,

Don't want to upset anyone but I'm just profiling the case and identifying the person that may be the like suspect. There are only three people left in this event. Of the three only one was in the vicinity and happened to be the one to find the body.

Then that one of three just happened to change or alter the investigation scene. Then the account that he made is suspect in that claims of revival was made yet the 911 call indicated that the woman appeared dead.

The account is further questioned by the placement of the body.

Let look at the video to get a clear picture of the table with the missing leg and ponder how one could support and dead body, cut it down while standing on a 3 legged table.

Then study the orange tether that is attached to the feet and explain why it is on the opposite side of the hang area. The tether is going to trail the feet, If the tether trailed the feet it would follow from the balcony/left side of the table not the right side. Note that the balcony is to the left of the table.

00:04 is the time point for the table. Third video on the left side menu.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious-rebecca-zahau-mansion-death-devastates-family/story?id=14080327

The balcony is to the left of the table. The orange tether is attached to the feet and it will follow the feet. How is it to the right where as the hanging event is to the left on the opposite side. Everything should have fell to the ground and the orange tether would have trailed from the balcony as that is the starting point of the feet.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/waiting-for-answers-in-mansion-deaths-mystery

This video allows you to see the balcony in relation to the table.


Based on what is available the scene appears to be stages and only one person is tied to the event with accounts that seen questionable.


Notice the missing leg, the table would have toppled with any kind of weight shift to the upper right.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I sure wish we would get some new info.:banghead:

We actually know very little and I have a feeling the results is going to take some time. What I can't figure out though is ....... why so long?

IMO

Its normal for tox results to take so long.

Here's an interesting article about it:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests
SNIP
"Some of the tests take days, weeks, months," says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists involved in the investigation, as well as field work.

Read on as Hall and two other experts shed light on toxicology tests -- what they include, why they take so long, and why they're never perfect.
SNIP

From what I have read so far it looks like it is good thing for tox results to take so long. It shows that LE is less likely to have poorly analyzed tox results or results that are unreliable for other reasons that could give some moronic defense attorney any opening to cry "phantom" science etc. etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. Especially when it comes to high profile cases that may attract bozo defense lawyers with connections to slime balls like Geraldo Rivera.

 

[mentalsolstice]

Everyone is going by what AS said but never applying what and how he did it.

Cut her down.

Cut the rope from the balcony, let the body fall to the ground run down stairs, carry her to the grass so you can revive her? leaving here on her side?

Climb on a three legged table, hold a dead body, lift the tension off the rope and cut it? Climb down carry her to the grass.

When I look at the photo. I see her carried from the right to the grass area with the orange cord dragging behind. The table placed on the walkway.

As for the flinging cord. Very difficult to move dead weight. Have someone pretend to be dead and see how easy it is to move them more so spin 180 with enough force to have a 6 foot cord extend out like the photo.

What if the cords got hung up on his shoulder while he was trying to get her down? At some point he would have thrust them from his body. Being that they were heavy they would have landed more straight or slightly curved position rather than in a messy tangled bunch.

 

[arielilane]

I think the Spreckels Mansion does have or is linked up to a security system. I would be willing to bet that all the doors and windows are alarmed. Probably sends automatic calls to police, or however that works.

There is a sign in the front of the house that looks like a security system sign. Someone posted an enlarged version of it, and while you can't actually read the sign, it sure looks like that kind of sign to me.

I have seen an ADT security sign in the Spreckels Mansion front yard on Google map. I plan to post a photo, however, for some reason I am having problems posting the photo. First time ever.

 

[pferrin]

Even if the electrical cord could not have been used for hanging her, as in too thick or unwieldy tie a knot for a hanging, could it have been used to bind her hands and legs? Hands bound to keep her from resisting her attacker and from reaching up to the noose to instinctively try to save herself? Legs bound to keep from kicking her attacker?

yep it would be fairly simple to bind her legasand hands with electrical cord..just not easy to bind one own hands with it. I do believe she was bound to prevent her from fighting back

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I have seen an ADT security sign in the Spreckels Mansion front yard on Google map. I plan to post a photo, however, for some reason I am having problems posting the photo. First time ever.

I'll go see if I can go get it if you want, what is the address?

 

[Wendy101]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/w...deaths-mystery

This video allows you to see the balcony in relation to the table.

I think the table is to far away from where Rebecca would have been hanging...wouldn't the table have to be placed closer so that AS could get right under the body ? Also AS must have been a very tall man in order to do this... unless rebeccas feet were almost touching the ground..