Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[delaney]

You may have noticed that I live in the Phoenix area, sometimes.

I do not live in JS and DS socially connected world. But I do know that

these two people have lost their beloved son and are suffering right now.

If you knew these two people, through their charity work only, their

dedication to a cure for autism and their hands on approach to their other

charity, you would have a far different opinion of DS and JS. That kind

of caring cannot be faked. They are good people. Yes people have messy

divorces.

JS is a business man who is involved

in the cosmetology industry. I find the use of his product no different

than my dad wearing a diamond pinky ring and a rolex, because he was

a watchmaker/ jeweler to wait on his customers.

Sitting in judgement of people is easy, waiting for new information on

the case is not. My heart goes out to these people, they have truly

used their wealth for good. I'll sit and wait.

 

[Inobu]

What if the cords got hung up on his shoulder while he was trying to get her down? At some point he would have thrust them from his body. Being that they were heavy they would have landed more straight or slightly curved position rather than in a messy tangled bunch.

You have play out the event and then look at the scene and then reason it out.

1. The orange tether is on her feet that means it would have been on the ground in order for him to cut her down he had to be higher than her. That would have placed him higher than the orange tether.

I think the orange tether and the kink in the trail is from the slack taken up by someone carrying her and portions are beneath her because that is where they put her down.

The tether is pointing in the direction from which they came. I don't believe that she was hung from the balcony at ant time.

I guess we have to wait and see.

 

[mentalsolstice]

o/t Didn't a neighbor hear one loud scream out of the Ramsey home that dreadful night. It would make sense to play music.
Do you think people that kill think about other well known crimes when planning or committing a crime in order to avoid making the same mistakes? It's getting late....lol

In this day and age, with the internet and 24/7 cable channels devoted to crime, I would say yes. Criminals in this country are becoming highly educated, well, at least those that plan out their crimes. I learned more on CourtTV (the old CourtTV) than I did in a lot of upper level courses that I paid dear $$$ to attend and get academic credit for. And yes, I now know how to make chloroform, even though I'm not a chemist, If a loved one dies of suspicious circumstances, guilty, or most likely not, I'm tossing my laptop into the deepest most remote water I can find.

 

[pferrin]

Ok,

Don't want to upset anyone but I'm just profiling the case and identifying the person that may be the like suspect. There are only three people left in this event. Of the three only one was in the vicinity and happened to be the one to find the body.

Then that one of three just happened to change or alter the investigation scene. Then the account that he made is suspect in that claims of revival was made yet the 911 call indicated that the woman appeared dead.

The account is further questioned by the placement of the body.

Let look at the video to get a clear picture of the table with the missing leg and ponder how one could support and dead body, cut it down while standing on a 3 legged table.

Then study the orange tether that is attached to the feet and explain why it is on the opposite side of the hang area. The tether is going to trail the feet, If the tether trailed the feet it would follow from the balcony/left side of the table not the right side. Note that the balcony is to the left of the table.

00:04 is the time point for the table. Third video on the left side menu.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious-rebecca-zahau-mansion-death-devastates-family/story?id=14080327

The balcony is to the left of the table. The orange tether is attached to the feet and it will follow the feet. How is it to the right where as the hanging event is to the left on the opposite side. Everything should have fell to the ground and the orange tether would have trailed from the balcony as that is the starting point of the feet.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/waiting-for-answers-in-mansion-deaths-mystery

This video allows you to see the balcony in relation to the table.


Based on what is available the scene appears to be stages and only one person is tied to the event with accounts that seen questionable.


Notice the missing leg, the table would have toppled with any kind of weight shift to the upper right.

We dont know if AS was the only one of the 3 that was in th vicinity of JS home during the time of her death. All we know is he was the one that called 911.

Also..without hearing his 911 call we dont know if he said he tried to revive her or not. I listened to dispatch on the fire channel and all dispatch said to rescue 36 and mdic 36 was hanging at 1043 ocean. nothing else.

I hate to see this man get kronked..just cause he found the body..not willing to go there yet.

As for orange teather lines..there could be othe explanations for how it ended up where it did.

do I feel your theory is possible..yep. I think there are other details that need to be worked out.

 

[arielilane]

I'll go see if I can go get it if you want, what is the address?

I just found out that it may be a couple of days before we can post photos. Glitch in the system.

 

[Inobu]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/w...deaths-mystery

This video allows you to see the balcony in relation to the table.

I think the table is to far away from where Rebecca would have been hanging...wouldn't the table have to be placed closer so that AS could get right under the body ? Also AS must have been a very tall man in order to do this... unless rebeccas feet were almost touching the ground..

That is why I think it was staged. Now ask yourself why is the table so far away.

Answer. The three legged table has to be placed squarely on walkway in order to remain standing.

Just too many oddity.

 

[Carrington]

Numerous articles have mentioned the balcony as being 10-15 from the ground.
I don't know why they can't be more precise.
I think we have only seen head-shots of Adam but he face and upper body looks like he would be a thin man. Tall, I don't know.
IMO

 

[CuriousAmazon]

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Originally posted by Inobu

Point 2 his reasoning to moving the body was to revive her. Where as there is no evidence of him making an attempt just as you pointed out.

CPR is the only revival means he could perform. If he cannot perform CPR then how cant you attempt to do something you don"t know how to do?

Even you are point out all the inconsistencies that should have been done based on his reasoning for cutting her down. The photo shows nothing but a body dumping so to speak. The only thing he was successful at is disrupting the investigation scene.

Exactly, and in the press conference, A journalist asks him " When Adam made the 911 call, he said what?", and Capt. Curran replies "That there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead". This would tell me he knew when he made the call that she was dead, what I find interesting is that he said "there was a woman on the property" as if disconnecting any connection to RN, why not say my brothers girlfriend?[/QUOTE]

Logical & makes perfect sense to me. AS was my intial gut feeling.

 

[jjenny]

Just so many strange things about this alleged suicide.
Why would she use a cord to bind her hands and feet? If to prevent her from reaching the rope, why not use a belt? If she felt guilty over child's upcoming death, the child wasn't dead yet, and why commit suicide in such a spectacular fashion? While some people do commit suicide naked, it's usually indoors, so totality of circumstances appear to be very bizarre for a suicide.

 

[Inobu]

We dont know if AS was the only one of the 3 that was in th vicinity of JS home during the time of her death. All we know is he was the one that called 911.

Also..without hearing his 911 call we dont know if he said he tried to revive her or not. I listened to dispatch on the fire channel and all dispatch said to rescue 36 and mdic 36 was hanging at 1043 ocean. nothing else.

I hate to see this man get kronked..just cause he found the body..not willing to go there yet.

As for orange teather lines..there could be othe explanations for how it ended up where it did.

do I feel your theory is possible..yep. I think there are other details that need to be worked out.

I have to say...this theory is 85% and the detail that would push it to 95% is .........if the carpet came from a room to the right that would make it a crime and move the attention to another location nullifying a suicide.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

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Try this.

Its amazing what you can do on those maps!

Anyway, in the upper right of the page there are three gray connected boxes. 1 box has a printer icon, the next an envelope icon and then finally a link icon.

I hit the link icon and it gave me a link... hope this works.

I guess we would have to know when the picture was taken, I doubt anyone would leave that place unarmed even if no one lived there, but there still is the possibility that the street view of the mansion has changed since the pic was taken.

 

[arielilane]

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To be continued....

 

[Carrington]

Exactly, and in the press conference, A journalist asks him " When Adam made the 911 call, he said what?", and Capt. Curran replies "That there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead". This would tell me he knew when he made the call that she was dead, what I find interesting is that he said "there was a woman on the property" as if disconnecting any connection to RN, why not say my brothers girlfriend?

Logical & makes perfect sense to me. AS was my intial gut feeling.[/quote]

The only reason I can think of, not to mention a name or relationship would be to stall the media attention. Training by JS.
IMO

 

[lauriej]

I believe the police had been called to avenue G(DS) addy for loud noise a few times...they were called to JS for burglary..usually the wealthy are adamant about having security systems especially after breakins. Not here tho.

I think the Spreckels Mansion does have or is linked up to a security system. I would be willing to bet that all the doors and windows are alarmed. Probably sends automatic calls to police, or however that works.

There is a sign in the front of the house that looks like a security system sign. Someone posted an enlarged version of it, and while you can't actually read the sign, it sure looks like that kind of sign to me.

...according to this article---both jonah and dina's homes had alarm systems. ( i can't imagine that they wouldn't in homes like those, and also since they don't reside there year round.)

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20513537,00.html
Mansion Deaths Case: Multiple Calls to Police Not Deemed Suspicious

The calls to police related to the mansion include a report of a vandalism to a vehicle, second-degree burglary, and a robbery alarm between 2008-2011.

Five calls to cops between 2009-2011 to the ex-wife's home included a suspicious vehicle call, two complaints of disturbing the peace, and a burglary alarm – but police found no crimes had been committed.

 

[pferrin]

the addy is 1043 ocean ave coronado beach calif.

 

[i.b.nora]

daisy — your image link is not working and its blowing the margins. maybe you should delete your post?

 

[arielilane]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1043+...d=2MaD84q1KksaR2k9pI17pw&cbp=12,0.27,,0,13.62

Try this.

Its amazing what you can do on those maps!

Anyway, in the upper right of the page there are three gray connected boxes. 1 box has a printer icon, the next an envelope icon and then finally a link icon.

I hit the link icon and it gave me a link... hope this works.

I guess we would have to know when the picture was taken, I doubt anyone would leave that place unarmed even if no one lived there, but there still is the possibility that the street view of the mansion has changed since the pic was taken.

I believe it's an updated photo. Most properties have been updated on Google. The sign is in front of the guest house or sun room.

 

[StJohn]

Some questions that I keep coming back to that make me think suicide vs murder: 1) Wouldn't she have screamed loudly if someone was attempting to tie up her hands & feet, unless she had been drugged? I can't see a lone perp holding a hand over her mouth to silence her while binding her hands & feet at the same time. 2) Was Adam Shacknai in the guest house the night before she was found? If so, it seems he would have heard her scream or at least heard something & come out to investigate. 3) Was there a gag over her mouth? Someone posted they thought they saw a scarf around her neck. If so, could that have been used to gag & silence her?

I have gone over & over the scant details that have been published. I am leaning towards she committed suicide. I don't think her state of mind could have been that good, given the circumstances. She may have been putting on a brave face so her family wouldn't worry when she spoke to her sister that night. Just think about the fact that her boyfriend's son lay in the hospital in a coma, d/t an accident that occurred while in her care. Now her boyfriend is at the hospital, bonding with his ex-wife, while she is at home alone, with no one there to support her. Jonah Shacknai made a statement to the effect that he had intended to propose to Rebecca and wished he had done so sooner. That statement could be interpreted in different ways. Almost sounds like guilt to me. Maybe he felt that Rebecca would have been more secure about him & their relationship & would not have become despondent. Did he say something to her after the accident that left her feeling he might leave her? Even if not, she might have been afraid that he would blame her for Max's accident & leave her.

I read somewhere that a lot could be determined by the knots that were found in the bindings. How long can that take to analyze? Surely a knowledgeable investigator could have made a determination by now. Could be they are pretty sure it was a suicide & they think she was substance impaired, waiting on toxicology results for confirmation.

 

[mentalsolstice]

You have play out the event and then look at the scene and then reason it out.

1. The orange tether is on her feet that means it would have been on the ground in order for him to cut her down he had to be higher than her. That would have placed him higher than the orange tether.

I think the orange tether and the kink in the trail is from the slack taken up by someone carrying her and portions are beneath her because that is where they put her down.

The tether is pointing in the direction from which they came. I don't believe that she was hung from the balcony at ant time.

I guess we have to wait and see.

However, after cutting her down, AS may have carried her a very short distance (a very few feet), to the grass as it may have been more uncluttered by furniture than the patio beneath the balcony. Once he disengaged himself from the body, the cord(s) may have come off of him in a straight or slightly curved manner. Unless one purposefully winds up thick electrical/extension cord (I'm thinking a plastic winder, or more primitively between one's thumb and elbow), they usually don't just clump up in a messy tangled pile. MOO

 

[Inobu]

This is my last post.

In the abcnews go video pause it at 00:06

Look at the position of the tether. It shows the path traveled. The table was there first. You can see the tether outlines the table. It show that the path is from the walkway onto the grass, the void space between her and the table is the the area where the person was standing when they put her down.

The reason the tether goes to her back is because it was trapped between her back and the person's arm carrying her.

That tether is like foot prints in the snow.

Note: You have to look at everything.

Look at the main video and that does not appear to be not a happy moment.......Everything reported in this case is contradicting.

Unbelievable....