Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[Charlie09]

Just low ball guess weight which still makes it more than the table appears to be able to handle.

I starting with AS concerning the hanging. I feel that it is a cover up and he is responsible for a cover up.

The violent death is another issue in its self. I'm just back tracking from the hanging cover up to get to the actual killer.

I got a feeling there was an interrogation that went wrong or too far. I think AS knows who that person was.

I hadn't noticed a picture of AS on these threads (admittedly haven't clicked on each link and usually catch up at night the last few days.) I've only seen one here http://news.lalate.com/category/adam-shacknai/ it's at the bottom of the page.

If there was an interrogation gone wrong, I personally can't see AS behind it, I see the person with known physical violence towards women in his life - Jonah - but man he's so obvious.

On one hand I feel bad that I do, but I do consistently wonder about motivation when someone is absolutely sure when all we have is speculation and very little details. There is just so much opportunity for publicity spin in this situation
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I really do feel like it was revenge, with Max and Rebecca. We just don't know why.

 

[jjenny]

There would be difference jjenny.

If they made her jump I would think there would be signs off a struggle. Rebecca just wouldn't say 'ok Ill jump" she would fight to live. That is just a normal instinct when self preservation kicks in and it has been said that she was in great physical shape. So imo they would find defensive wounds on her hands and arms as she wrestled with the person trying to tie her up and would see signs of a struggle in and near the balcony area.

She would not just stand there doing nothing while the person but a noose around her neck or bound her wrists and feet up.

I am sure LE has had to figure out before if a death was a suicide or a homicide and they look for certain factors that point in one direction or the other.

The knots also can be a key piece of evidence. They most likely will call in a knot expert to get their opinion whether she made the knots herself or they believe the particular knot was used by another with a specific background and trade.

IMO

It's not always easy to figure out suicide from homicide. And police doesn't always try that hard to figure it out. I just watched "dirty little secrets" on 48 hours. Police believed preacher's wife committed suicide. Even the autopsy was not done. Her mother really had to push for an investigation, and now her husband has been convicted of her murder.

 

[StJohn]

Just low ball guess weight which still makes it more than the table appears to be able to handle.

I starting with AS concerning the hanging. I feel that it is a cover up and he is responsible for a cover up.

The violent death is another issue in its self. I'm just back tracking from the hanging cover up to get to the actual killer.

I got a feeling there was an interrogation that went wrong or too far. I think AS knows who that person was.

Geez Inobu - I was all set to say suicide, but you make a lot of good, thought-provoking points about AS and possible interrogation scenario. Also, when I looked at the video you posted, I noticed Rebecca's legs were bent, which would seem to indicate that she hadn't been dead that long. I think it takes at least 3 hrs for rigor mortis to start.

I looked into AS's background a little bit - he had a mariner captain's license a few years back. I read that he now works for a tugboat co. so he would know a lot about tying knots I suppose. He had several different addresses listed in Memphis TN, no indication he is married or has kids. Another scenario I thought of is did AS possibly try to hit on Rebecca, she refused, and he got angry & violent?

 

[CuriousAmazon]

This video shows RS's who is AS's leasing agent neighbor. He discusses the conversation with AS. The video is on this webpage. http://www.wmctv.com/story/15091608...others-san-diego-mansion?clienttype=printable

The reporter states that AS called RS during the interview to say "police are interrogating him about the death of his brother's girlfriend"..."but don't worry I didn't have anything to do with it."

 

[katydid23]

I pondered the scenario of AS hitting upon RN and feeling rejected and angry as well. But it is really hard to imagine that he would hit on anyone with his 6 yr old nephew laying on his death bed. He would have to be a true monster to do that, one night after such a horrible tragedy.

It also seems weird that anyone would carry out a violent murder like that, while everyone knows you are out in the guest house, and there is no one else home. Does not seem very smart.

 

[mentalsolstice]

MentalSolstice:

This is not directed at you, but I would like to use your very sound logic to make a similar point (bolded changes by me).




And I might also say the same about JS.

There's no reason to think either of them read here, but if they do, whoa. I can't imagine the awfulness of first losing my child and then being blamed for murder solely on imagination and speculation.

I kind of started out thinking it was a homicide, but now I'm 50/50. Thus if I have that much belief that it was a suicide, then it's even harder for me to start pointing fingers at a possible murder suspect (as in s/he supposedly said this, that and the other and s/he was there, therefore s/he's the prime suspect, etc.).

I've actually started really wondering about RN's cultural and religious beliefs and how they come into play in all this. I wonder about her sense of loyalty/responsibility for what happened to MS, and her cultural and religious beliefs about death and suicide. When I was in college, I had two roommates from Taiwan...and yes there is a huge cultural divide, doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just there, and hopefully most of us strive to understand and accept the differences.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

At this link you can see two blue ADT security signs. One is on the left of the house in front of the hedges and the other one is at the main entrance (center of mansion), upfront to the right. http://fwix.com/sd/share/905256d2e3/alterations_requested_for_spreckels_mansion

I saw a larger picture earlier on another website that clearly without a doubt shows the ADT SIGN, but I can't locate it now, it's definitely ADT, I'll keep looking for the website.

 

[StJohn]

At this link you can see two blue ADT security signs. One is on the left of the house in front of the hedges and the other one is at the main entrance (center of mansion), upfront to the right. http://fwix.com/sd/share/905256d2e3/alterations_requested_for_spreckels_mansion

I saw a larger picture earlier on another website that clearly without a doubt shows the ADT SIGN, but I can't locate it now, it's definitely ADT, I'll keep looking for the website.

TY for the link, if you pull up google maps & zoom in on the garage, there is another ADT sign near a side window. Suffice it to say that, unless they are bungling keystone cops, LE already know when the alarms were on, when, or if, they were off, and whether there were signs of a break-in. LE also should know whether or not JS & DS are in the clear by viewing hospital surveillance tapes. Trust me, I am a nurse and children's hospitals are more closely surveilled, due to potential for child abuse. There will be proof of JS & DS whereabouts in that hospital. I guess that is why some folks are zeroing in on AS, because if she didn't commit suicide, he seems to be the only one who can't be completely ruled out.

 

[Inobu]

Geez Inobu - I was all set to say suicide, but you make a lot of good, thought-provoking points about AS and possible interrogation scenario. Also, when I looked at the video you posted, I noticed Rebecca's legs were bent, which would seem to indicate that she hadn't been dead that long. I think it takes at least 3 hrs for rigor mortis to start.

I looked into AS's background a little bit - he had a mariner captain's license a few years back. I read that he now works for a tugboat co. so he would know a lot about tying knots I suppose. He had several different addresses listed in Memphis TN, no indication he is married or has kids. Another scenario I thought of is did AS possibly try to hit on Rebecca, she refused, and he got angry & violent?

I think her death was 2 or 3 am. The rigor mortis had set in before she was placed outside. In earlier (before censored filter) photos you could see her legs were stiff and knees bent and open. In either case if she was really hanged the knees would have been straight and locked from RM or the knees would have fell closed before RM had not set in.

I think the delay in time was caused by 1 prohibiting factors.

1. Could not report because of the time too close to the stopping of the music which would linked the to together.

Any case this my last post lets see what happened.

Inobu

 

[tiredblondy]

Its the same link I posted up a few thread up but you don't have to look.

Here is the link to the video Inobu was talking about. It is the 3rd video on the left side of the page after scrolling down. The cord is highlighted right at the first of the vid.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious-...ry?id=14080327


Thanks Inobu, I must say I've never seen that one before and it clearly shows when they highlight the cord that it is tied to her feet.

 

[tiredblondy]

I think her death was 2 or 3 am. The rigor mortis had set in before she was placed outside. In earlier (before censored filter) photos you could see her legs were stiff and knees bent and open. In either case if she was really hanged the knees would have been straight and locked from RM or the knees would have fell closed before RM had not set in.

I think the delay in time was caused by 1 prohibiting factors.

1. Could not report because of the time too close to the stopping of the music which would linked the to together.

Any case this my last post lets see what happened.

Inobu

Yes Inobu we had discussed in one of the earlier threads about this. Someone even thought that she might have been sitting in a chair or I had thought possible a kneeling position when she died and then suspended over the balcony.

Also don't know if you know this or not but I believe a large picture or picture frame was also removed with the carpet, bags and table.

I hope you will continue to post. I value your insights.

 

[lauriej]

Snipped from this link:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/07/22/what-went-down-at-the-shacknai-mansion/ ---snipped----

Initial reports state Adam was the only one there, but new reports state that Dina (Max’s mother) was “a witness in Zahau’s death”. Does this mean Dina was at the home sometime in the early morning

Two search warrants have been served to search the mansion. It is reported that during one of those searches police took several photographs of the stairs where Max’s accident occurred.

BBM

..it was later determined , through captain curran , when asked if anyone was a suspect?----------"everyone at this time is considered to be a 'witness'".

..---shocker---that a news article would ( not hear correctly ) and go ahead and print that she was 'a witness--- in rebecca's death' (!)-----most likely the same media source that, even though captain curran used "she was deceased" 4 times at the press conference-----they ran with "she was in distress" ( and then of course a number of articles said the same..)---leaving us to wonder if she was then ALIVE when initially found?

..and we wonder why this case is confusing!

..it was during the 2nd SW on friday the 15th, that LE brought in the stepladder----paying "particular attention to the chandelier" ( says the news source that was watching/taking video of them ) and taking pics of the stairs.

---LE and stepladder under the chandelier---

---the staircase-----

--LE checks out the staircase area-----------

 

[lauriej]

I kind of started out thinking it was a homicide, but now I'm 50/50. Thus if I have that much belief that it was a suicide, then it's even harder for me to start pointing fingers at a possible murder suspect (as in s/he supposedly said this, that and the other and s/he was there, therefore s/he's the prime suspect, etc.).

I've actually started really wondering about RN's cultural and religious beliefs and how they come into play in all this. I wonder about her sense of loyalty/responsibility for what happened to MS, and her cultural and religious beliefs about death and suicide. When I was in college, I had two roommates from Taiwan...and yes there is a huge cultural divide, doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just there, and hopefully most of us strive to understand and accept the differences.

..if she was so despondent over maxie------why kill herself ( sometime between midnight of the 12th--early a.m. of the 13th )-- when he wasn't dead yet?

..GS posted on her F/B friday the 15th R.I.P. maxie-----the family announced his passing on sunday the 17th.

..i can't see that she could have THAT MUCH guilt and "cultural shame" over an accident-------to kill herself.

..and------in such a horrific fashion.

 

[peace9274]

..if she was so despondent over maxie------

why kill herself ( sometime between midnight of the 12th--early a.m. of the 13th )-- when he wasn't dead yet?

..GS posted on her F/B friday the 15th R.I.P. maxie-----the family announced his passing on sunday the 17th.

..i can't see that she could have THAT MUCH guilt and "cultural shame" over an accident-------to kill herself.

..and------in such a horrific fashion.

BBM

I think whoever killed RN, whether herself or someone else,
s/he knew that MS was brain dead & was still on life support
until organ recipients &/OR more family members arrived.

As a nurse, I've seen it happen for both situations.

 

[obmama]

BBM
"particular attention to the chandelier"
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I knew I heard that somewhere. I did go back to one of the videos that reported a ladder was brought in for the second SW. It must have been another video that connected the ladder with inspecting the chandelier.

The 2nd search warrant was the day GS posted "rip maxie" on Facebook. I imagine news of his death prompted the 2nd SW. The video I watched said several investigators were seen jumping up and down on the second floor, as if trying to recreate Max's fall.

This is the third unusual reference to the chandelier, that connects it with MS's fall. The first the day of RN's death, a neighbor said a lighting fixture fell on him. The other was after MS's death, reporting he fell "onto a chandelier".

That's a great picture you posted of the chandelier. It gives a broader view than others I'd seen. Seeing the upper level of the staircase confirms my suspicions that MS was sliding down the rail and veered to the right into the chandelier. I read a few reports that said he had no pulse and was "unable to breathe". This is consistent with breaking your neck.

Coincidently, a drop hanging (dropping several feet with a noose around your neck) results in a broken neck. My theory is RN's death mimicked MS's.

 

[obmama]

..if she was so despondent over maxie------why kill herself ( sometime between midnight of the 12th--early a.m. of the 13th )-- when he wasn't dead yet?

..GS posted on her F/B friday the 15th R.I.P. maxie-----the family announced his passing on sunday the 17th.

..i can't see that she could have THAT MUCH guilt and "cultural shame" over an accident-------to kill herself.

..and------in such a horrific fashion.

MS had been in a medically induced coma since the accident. He wasn't breathing when EMT's arrived, and may have suffered irreversible brain damage due to lack of oxygen. He had an MRI scheduled Wednesday morning, the morning of RN's death, presumably to confirm what doctors suspected after two days of observation, that he was "brain dead".

RN spoke to her sister at midnight, I assume 10 p.m. PST, and said RN was "normal, fine" and planned to call the next day with an update on Max's condition. It's likely RN got the bad news after speaking to her sister.

Whether JS blamed her, or she blamed herself, I believe it was motive for suicide. I'm inclined to believe he blamed her, and she saw her future ruined.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok,

Don't want to upset anyone but I'm just profiling the case and identifying the person that may be the like suspect. There are only three people left in this event. Of the three only one was in the vicinity and happened to be the one to find the body.

Then that one of three just happened to change or alter the investigation scene. Then the account that he made is suspect in that claims of revival was made yet the 911 call indicated that the woman appeared dead.

The account is further questioned by the placement of the body.

Let look at the video to get a clear picture of the table with the missing leg and ponder how one could support and dead body, cut it down while standing on a 3 legged table.

Then study the orange tether that is attached to the feet and explain why it is on the opposite side of the hang area. The tether is going to trail the feet, If the tether trailed the feet it would follow from the balcony/left side of the table not the right side. Note that the balcony is to the left of the table.

00:04 is the time point for the table. Third video on the left side menu.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious-rebecca-zahau-mansion-death-devastates-family/story?id=14080327

The balcony is to the left of the table. The orange tether is attached to the feet and it will follow the feet. How is it to the right where as the hanging event is to the left on the opposite side. Everything should have fell to the ground and the orange tether would have trailed from the balcony as that is the starting point of the feet.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/waiting-for-answers-in-mansion-deaths-mystery

This video allows you to see the balcony in relation to the table.


Based on what is available the scene appears to be stages and only one person is tied to the event with accounts that seen questionable.


Notice the missing leg, the table would have toppled with any kind of weight shift to the upper right.

Well we actually don't know who was there between the hours of midnight and before Adam found her hanging. Adam would be in the guest house so what was going on in the mansion would not have been known to him. I do remember reading that there may have been others there.

Can someone freeze frame the table showing a 'missing' leg? I have gone back and forth stopping the video and I don't see a missing leg. In one of the videos I do see that the back leg to the left cannot be seen because of the camera view and when LE is bringing the table out the officer's body obstructs the view of all legs.

It is difficult to believe that multi-millionaire JS would dare have anything on his mansion million dollar property that was broken and not in good working condition.

Where did the 'three legged table with leg missing' come from anyway? Did LE say this table had a broken or missing leg?

It definitely is an outside weather worn table. Slotted style so rain can run through and not puddle up on table.

The postioning of the table doesn't bother me but it does show once he got her down he placed her body of the soft grass right out from the table area.

I don't think anything was staged. It is obvious to me he used the table because it would not normally sit on the brick walkway blocking the path.

IMO

 

[obmama]

Does it matter? It seems he was cleared by LE to leave the area and go about his personal business and job. I'm sure LE advised him about restrictions on his whereabouts, in case they needed to question him further.

LE advised there were no travel restrictions placed on anyone connected to the case.

I don't think AS is a suspect. I think Paul Pfingst (attorney) showed up on AS's behalf because he was being questioned by LE, which he confirmed when he called his neighbor/rental agent. Being the one who found RN, and the only person on the premises, he probably was subject to an uncomfortable interrogation, give a DNA sample, perhaps even undergo a lie detector test. I believe AS was in the mansion when the attorney showed up Wednesday night and was refused entry. The attorney said he represented someone inside.

 

[peace9274]

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Can someone freeze frame the table showing a 'missing' leg? I have gone back and forth stopping the video and I don't see a missing leg. In one of the videos I do see that the back leg to the left cannot be seen because of the camera view and when LE is bringing the table out the officer's body obstructs the view of all legs.

It is difficult to believe that multi-millionaire JS would dare have anything on his mansion million dollar property that was broken and not in good working condition.

Where did the 'three legged table with leg missing' come from anyway? Did LE say this table had a broken or missing leg?

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IMO

Yes.... there is a very good, clear, close-up photo, that someone
posted last night, that actually shows where the leg broke off.

I'll go look for it.

 

[peace9274]

Here it is. My thanx to Lauriej!

..i do know this---it was originally a 4-legged table.

..the broken table leg is shown on the ground-------

..the missing leg evident here as they remove it----