Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[jjenny]

To All:

Any thoughts on why they could rule his hanging death a suicide before tox results and we need tox results before they rule one way or the other on Rebecca?

Well that suggests to me his case was pretty obvious. With RN, did anyone even came forward to suggest she was depressed or suicidal? I don't think so. Her sister just talked to her, and she doesn't think RN was suicidal. And RN had future plans which she discussed with the sister.

 

[arielilane]

To All:

Any thoughts on why they could rule his hanging death a suicide before tox results and we need tox results before they rule one way or the other on Rebecca?

Most likely because of how the scene was left. Do you remember the movie An Officer and a Gentleman? No staging. Rebecca's scene looked staged, etc.

 

[mentalsolstice]

FYI: I've searched and searched and can find NOTHING that says he was special needs....

Even if he was in need of constant supervision, it's kind of tough for one person to do it alone, and accidents still do happen. My 13 yo mentally challenged neighbor drowned in the pool while the sitter was in the bathroom. Unfortunately, it happens.

 

[Paladine]

If AS is the perpertrator then his mindset could be more than just revenge for his nephew. It could be that he has had women probs for a long time and may have a great deal of anger towards women.

The manner in which the body was treated could have partially been due to some of his personal issues.

AS lie to landlord is gonna be interesting to see if his cell records show that he got the call about Maxie before or after he planned trip.

Ocean .. I dont think I would ever set up a homicide to look like this one does..but someone that has never commited homicide before might make irrational decisions trying to cover.

Thank goodness I have never come close to homicide..just trying to get into their mindsets.

ALL Speculation:

I see AS as the 'lesser-than' brother...the one who never lived up to his brothers achievements...maybe a little submissive, an under achiever, perhaps imo...I can see Adam covering up at his brothers behest...but to kill her? Not all on his own or without his brothers permisson...JS just lost his son...would his brother kill his GF without JS's permission?

 

[arielilane]

Maybe the table with the broken leg was broken on purpose and not by someone standing on it?

 

[Paladine]

Maybe the table with the broken leg was broken on purpose and not by someone standing on it?

Good thought.

 

[arielilane]

So the autopsy report has not been released? Is that correct? Are they waiting to release it the same time that they release the toxicology results? TIA

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes

That is why the time of the statement is important.

This is hypothetical

Say that the comment of the tugboat was made as he was going to the airport (to San Diego) this means that he was making a false statement to cover his where about.

If he made the statement prior to the knowledge of the accident then it coincides with the truth.

Inconsistencies seems to come from him a lot.

What inconsistencies? I haven't heard or even seen Adam since the beginning of the case. When has he spoken out?

He made the comment about having to go back out on the tugboat several days before any of this happened, imo.

Adam Shacknai lives in an apartment in Midtown Memphis. His leasing agent neighbor, Robert Sanders, said he last saw him a few days ago.

IMO

 

[Inobu]

To All:

Any thoughts on why they could rule his hanging death a suicide before tox results and we need tox results before they rule one way or the other on Rebecca?

It is the patter of events that fall into the norm. His career, heritage (Japanese family honor) points to probability. Kinda like a check list. If something deviates then the flags are raised.

It is sad as life does pose difficulties for many that's why family, friends and love is an important facet to life.

 

[Paladine]

Well that suggests to me his case was pretty obvious. With RN, did anyone even came forward to suggest she was depressed or suicidal? I don't think so. Her sister just talked to her, and she doesn't think RN was suicidal. And RN had future plans which she discussed with the sister.

Exactly...so, my thought leads to: there must be no conclusive evidence of suicide on autopsy or they likely would have already ruled and released that...it would certainly be in JS companies favor, imo, to do so...taking this case completely out of the media.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So the autopsy report has not been released? Is that correct? Are they waiting to release it the same time that they release the toxicology results? TIA

Do they have to release autopsy reports to the public in California? If not I doubt we will see either autopsy report.

The official autopsy report is not even completed until all toxicology results are returned the MEs office.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Exactly...so, my thought leads to: there must be no conclusive evidence of suicide on autopsy or they likely would have already ruled and released that...it would certainly be in JS companies favor, imo, to do so...taking this case completely out of the media.

I have really been shocked that the media hasn't been all over this case night and day.

Now they do mention it from time to time but not nearly as much as I would have thought.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

So the autopsy report has not been released? Is that correct? Are they waiting to release it the same time that they release the toxicology results? TIA

I read 'sealed'...try a search: autopsy, sealed, zahau, napela...should come up...no link handy...sorry.

 

[peace9274]

OK. My mind is going in a zillion different directions, both here,
following 2 other cases... and in RL.

This may have already been answered & I've forgotten, but....
Was there an autopsy reported on MS? If so, was there a skull fracture?
A broken neck? Other injuries?

 

[Paladine]

I have really been shocked that the media hasn't been all over this case night and day.

Now they do mention it from time to time but not nearly as much as I would have thought.

IMO

I wonder who the other clients are of that PR team that was hired? Media clients, perhaps? As soon as that PR team was hired, it was like a faucet turned OFF! No info. Something to sleuth...it's my BD today, I hate BD's...but I gotta go out w/the kids and act happy, lol...or I'd search myself...

ALL IMO

 

[Paladine]

OK. My mind is going in a zillion different directions, both here,
following 2 other cases... and in RL.

This may have already been answered & I've forgotten, but....
Was there an autopsy reported on MS? If so, was there a skull fracture?
A broken neck? Other injuries?

Yes, results sealed, no link, take it for what its worth, lol...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Toxicology reports normally take up to six weeks to be completed, but authorities could have them finalized by the end of next week, FOX reported.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...irlfriend-of-arizona-millionaire-ncx-07202011

This story was written on July 20th.
I think they have everything they need to make the determination, suicide or murder.
What's the hold-up?

IMO

The ME will not make a determination on MOD until all tox tests are back. The report is not even complete until that comes back in. That makes me believe they are still undecided on what actually happened. They need more info.

They seem to be waiting for some reason and I think its because they want to know what was in her system at the time of death. That will help them come to a determination of suicide or homicide. Remember they took evidence from the mansion. It also could help them with the TOD if stomach contents were found showing she had eaten shortly before death or drank something.

IMO

 

[arielilane]

Do they have to release autopsy reports to the public in California? If not I doubt we will see either autopsy report.

The official autopsy report is not even completed until all toxicology results are returned the MEs office.

IMO

They are released to the public in California. As you so graciously stated the autopsy report is not completed until the toxicology results are completed; I suppose? I thought they were separate reports.
http://www.autopsyfiles.org/

 

[Paladine]

The results of Zahua's autopsy by the county medical examiner have been sealed during the investigation.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...s-probe-mansion-death-20110720,0,653823.story

The sheriff's department has yet to rule Zahau's death a suicide or homicide, and her autopsy results have been sealed. Coronado police have also sealed the autopsy results of Max Shacknai.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15103319/...iolence-in-shacknai-home?clienttype=printable

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They are released to the public in California. As you so graciously stated the autopsy report is not completed until the toxicology results are completed; I suppose? I thought they were separate reports.
http://www.autopsyfiles.org/

Thank you.

In any official autopsy report the toxicology report is always listed within the official report. Remember they did the same thing with Michael Jackson's autopsy report?

They are different reports because the ME sends them out to a lab to be tested and the lab sends them back to the ME showing the results of what was found and the amounts found of certain drugs. Then the ME encapsulates them into the official AR.

IMO