Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[scorekeeper]

http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau

Information we have not seem before, to my knowledge, about her ex.
It's a blog, so I don't know if information is correct.

IMO

another interesting quote....


http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau


According to court documents, Kimberly James requested an order of protection against Mr. Shaknai when she filed for divorce. She also asked for the filing fees to be waived and did not have legal representation. Court documents indicate Kimberly petitioned the courts for a mental health expert in regards to the child visitation and custody. The courts also subpoenaed mental health records in the case.

BBM

Hmmmm. if a reliable source...

JS definitely seems to have anger/power issues...and not just with DS...

Appears to me to be a dominating male..my way or the highway..dislike of females....user....IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Adam Shacknai lives in an apartment in Midtown Memphis. His leasing agent neighbor, Robert Sanders, said he last saw him a few days ago.

"He said that he was going to have to go back out on the tugboat company he works for," said Sanders.

Instead, Adam Shacknai ended up in San Diego in a guest house in his brother's mansion.


Robert was under the impression that AS was going back to the tugboat based on what AS told him.

The critical point is when did he have that conversation with AS?

Alibi's are established by someone collaborating the location of another.

Robert thought AS was going to the tugboat based on AS comment.

MS was rushed to the hospital on July 11 if the comment between AS and Robert occurred before MS accident then the comment has truth and a casual conversation.

If the comment was made after July 11 and AS knew about MS accident and was in the way to San Diego He should have told Robert that he was going to San Diego and not the tug boat. The question is when did AS arrive in San Diego and did he know he was going to San Diego when he had the conversation with Robert.

The article was written July 15. Robert said that he talked to AS a few days ago. Lets say a few days ago is 3. Then his conversation took place on the July 12th. If AS knew about the accident then his response would have been "I might have to go to San Diego instead of the tugboat". This is why the date of the conversation is important.

It establish a time line and an account of AS moves

The way the story is written AS was "living" in San Diego but that is not the case he was visiting. AS must have just arrived based on the conversation with the housing agent in Memphis this sheds more light on why and how AS enters the picture.


You did not need to meet or know OJ to know that the inconsistencies with Nicole and Ron case had foul play as in this case.



It is not the height that breaks the neck it is the weight and tension she had enough weight but the height is unknown. They have to measure the rope and its length. Your latter comment questions the hanging too. What you listed are the tell tale signs which goes against his claim that she was hanging when he got to that area.


Point 2 his reasoning to moving the body was to revive her. Where as there is no evidence of him making an attempt just as you pointed out.


CPR is the only revival means he could perform. If he cannot perform CPR then how cant you attempt to do something you don"t know how to do?

Even you are point out all the inconsistencies that should have been done based on his reasoning for cutting her down. The photo shows nothing but a body dumping so to speak. The only thing he was successful at is disrupting the investigation scene.

I see nothing suspicious about Adam. All these hypothetical you pose are just that.........hypotheticals. There is no evidence known or even stated in the media that Adam has lied about anything.

I do not see her body as dumped. I see her placed on the grass with her face up. If you see it as "dumped' then so be it.

I think he did the best he could under the most trying of circumstances. Imo he cut her down. He loosened the noose hoping she would breathe. No one can get into the mind of the person facing such a dilemma and demand they must do something a certain way. In traumatic situations people do not act rationally or have nerves of steel. They don't always do the right thing nor should they be expected to do so,imo.

I see no correlation between this case and OJs case.

Lets say the 'few days ago' is 4 or 5..6 days but that is like trying to read tealeaves isn't it?

I am not sure what you mean. I do believe he cut her down. I do believe he stood on the table to do so. I do believe he tried to hold her body up to get the tension of the noose loosened from her neck as he cut her down. I do believe he carried her to the grassy soft area rather than laying her on the concrete walkway.

The neck is not always broken in hangings.

I don't fault him for cutting her down. Whether I compromised the scene or not I would never leave someone hanging if there was even a slight possibility they could be saved and I wouldn't know that until I cut them down either.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

I think she was dead for hours when paramedics arrived. From the photos it doesn't appear that paramedics attempted CPR, because they couldn't even put her on her back due to her hands bound behind her back. If there were any signs of life I presume they would have attempted CPR and then transported her to the hospital.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I have been thinking about trailing cord. It is possible when AS cut RN down and was putting her on ground that the cord..rope got tangled around him. He could have flung it off ..making this looked unnatural.

The position of the rope on the neck can cause the neck to snap ..ie in nazi times they did much testing on the position of the rope. The neck does not always break when a person is hanged.

So many possible scenarios here, KWIM. I'm on the fence about murder or suicide. If it's murder, I'm certainly not ready to pin it on any one person, especially AS. I just don't understand what his motive would have been. From what I've seen and heard (which is mostly hearsay), his story holds up. He told his LL he would be out on a tugboat, and at the last minute he flew to CA because of MS's fall. So what if he didn't tell his LL about the change in plans? I didn't tell my LLs about my activities. And I don't buy it that he was trying to establish an alibi, since he's the one to call LE. And, yes, he may have disturbed a crime scene, but it was done in good faith. MOO!

 

[Inobu]

I have been thinking about trailing cord. It is possible when AS cut RN down and was putting her on ground that the cord..rope got tangled around him. He could have flung it off ..making this looked unnatural.

The position of the rope on the neck can cause the neck to snap ..ie in nazi times they did much testing on the position of the rope. The neck does not always break when a person is hanged.

Trying not to get graphic.

What you are saying is true but it depends on the system. In this case we are lead to believe that RN committed suicide with bound hands and feet. The gating issue is her fall. It would have been side ways or an obscure angle what would create a whipping action of the body causing a break.

With the hand a feet tied and the method "off the balcony" means her body would have been above the fulcrum point her weight would create so much force. The comparison is a bungee cord jump just imagine without elastic the abrupt stop.

Getting kinda too graphic.

Best guess her condition was more so asphyxiation of some sort than a hanging and accidental.

 

[pferrin]

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/FamilyCourtCases/caseSearch.asp


I typed in his last name..one case is with KJ the other case from 2008 is sealed

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well whatever his intentions were, unfortunately all it accomplished is disturbing the scene.

That may not be all true.

At least he knows he didn't leave her just hanging there and tried to do the best he could. He may need that in order to help him get over seeing the worst image of his life that will haunt him forever, imo.

In the literature it says those who find suicide victims never get over it.

IMO

 

[Carrington]

He could have went back to bed and done nothing.
And, when all is said and done he will probably wish he had.
IMO

 

[lauriej]

Exactly, and in the press conference, A journalist asks him " When Adam made the 911 call, he said what?", and Capt. Curran replies "That there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead". This would tell me he knew when he made the call that she was dead, what I find interesting is that he said "there was a woman on the property" as if disconnecting any connection to RN, why not say my brothers girlfriend?

Good catch...........

Don't just listen but listen to the words they say.

..i don't take what tim curran says-----as the "actual statement" adam might have made on the 911 call.

911---what is your emergency?
"OMG! i just found rebecca hanging off the balcony! i think she's dead!"

911--what is your emergency?
"there's a woman on the property, it appears that she's dead."

..we have no idea what he actually said---we need to hear/read the transcript OF the 911 call.

 

[Inobu]

oceanblueeyes's

Where is AS now?

 

[4Jacy]

Happy Bday! :great::seeya:

I know what you mean. I like to celebrate the way I want, not the way others want me to. For instance, my parents always insist on being present. Which means going to a loud chain restaurant (with my dad asking mom every 2 secs, what did s/he say?), and no adult beverages allowed :maddening: . This year for my 50th, I put my foot down and said "it's my party and I'll cry...er drink if I want to." So instead I met them for brunch at Starbux, and had nice dinner with DH at our favorite Lebanese restaurant where we shared a nice bottle of wine...the same restaurant he took me to for my 30th, and it was our 3rd date. My parents weren't happy, but oh well. Unfortunately, they weren't available at any other time for a 2nd celebration, they had other "priorities".

Happy B'Day mental, I'm so glad you still have your parents. Wish I had mine.

 

[defense101]

I have been thinking about trailing cord. It is possible when AS cut RN down and was putting her on ground that the cord..rope got tangled around him. He could have flung it off ..making this looked unnatural.

The position of the rope on the neck can cause the neck to snap ..ie in nazi times they did much testing on the position of the rope. The neck does not always break when a person is hanged.

I was curious about the cord as well, I found it odd that it trailed in an odd direction if he brought her down off the table, but when I looked at another picture that was taken straight on at the table it didn't look as a far away as the picture taken from a right angle. imo

 

[pferrin]

Inobu..It is graphic with a hanging..until autopsy comes in it will be difficult perhaps impossible to figure wheither RN died before or after she was hanged. I have been studying hangings for about a week or more now and have learned more than I really wanted to.

The trailing rope/cord scenario could have happened for several reasons..ie AS flung it away from him.

Am trying to work on all particulars so as not to be scratching my head all the time.

 

[pferrin]

He could have went back to bed and done nothing.
And, when all is said and done he will probably wish he had.
IMO

He has been KRONKED. :floorlaugh:

 

[MsFacetious]

From what I read... Paul Pfingst was seen at the mansion last night. He confirmed he was representing someone associated with the house,but said that person is not Jonah Shacknai. Now what that means I'm not sure. that would mean DS or AS?

Last night? Did he show up again? :waitasec:

He was seen there July 13th and confirmed he was representing someone other than Jonah... but everyone has left the mansion now as far as we know... just a security guard there.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I see nothing suspicious about Adam. All these hypothetical you pose are just that.........hypotheticals. There is no evidence known or even stated in the media that Adam has lied about anything.

I do not see her body as dumped. I see her placed on the grass with her face up. If you see it as "dumped' then so be it.

I think he did the best he could under the most trying of circumstances. Imo he cut her down. He loosened the noose hoping she would breathe. No one can get into the mind of the person facing such a dilemma and demand they must do something a certain way. In traumatic situations people do not act rationally or have nerves of steel. They dont always do the right thing nor should they be expected to do so,imo.

I see no coloration between this case and OJs case.

Lets say the 'few days ago' is 4 or 5..6 days but that is like trying to read tealeaves isn't it?

I am not sure what you mean. I do believe he cut her down. I do believe he stood on the table to do so. I do believe he tried to hold her body up to get the tension of the noose loosened from her neck as he cut her down. I do believe he carried her to the grassy soft area rather than laying her on the concrete walkway.

The neck is not always broken in hangings.

I don't fault him for cutting her down. Whether I compromised the scene or not I would never leave someone hanging if there was even a slight possibility they could be saved and I wouldn't know that until I cut them down either.

IMO

BBM. Your quote reminds of the scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" where Gere is trying to hoist his friend's body up while trying to untie him, however, he couldn't reach the knot or whatever. I may be wrong about AS, but I simply see him as a person in the wrong place at the wrong time, who tried to do the best he could with whatever knowledge or tools he had with him. Crimes scenes are often disturbed by LE and EMTs if there is any rescue attempt, even if it just means a determination that the person is in fact dead.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes's

Where is AS now?

I don't have anyway of knowing. Since JS and DS have returned to their home state I would guess AS has returned to the state he resides in.

IMO

 

[Inobu]

Inobu..It is graphic with a hanging..until autopsy comes in it will be difficult perhaps impossible to figure wheither RN died before or after she was hanged. I have been studying hangings for about a week or more now and have learned more than I really wanted to.

The trailing rope/cord scenario could have happened for several reasons..ie AS flung it away from him.

Am trying to work on all particulars so as not to be scratching my head all the time.

Everyone is going by what AS said but never applying what and how he did it.

Cut her down.

Cut the rope from the balcony, let the body fall to the ground run down stairs, carry her to the grass so you can revive her? leaving here on her side?

Climb on a three legged table, hold a dead body, lift the tension off the rope and cut it? Climb down carry her to the grass.

When I look at the photo. I see her carried from the right to the grass area with the orange cord dragging behind. The table placed on the walkway.

As for the flinging cord. Very difficult to move dead weight. Have someone pretend to be dead and see how easy it is to move them more so spin 180 with enough force to have a 6 foot cord extend out like the photo.

 

[Inobu]

It will be interesting to find out what happened.

The net can make these events surreal to us but we are all Gods children so watch out for one another. Remember to say a prayer for Max and Rebecca. Tragic event in both cases.

You guys enjoy life as we can see that it can be short.

Inobu

 

[defense101]

Last night? Did he show up again? :waitasec:

He was seen there July 13th and confirmed he was representing someone other than Jonah... but everyone has left the mansion now as far as we know... just a security guard there.

lol no, I was quoting from an article from the 14th.