Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[pferrin]

Inobu..Am paying attention to all details including your theories of what happened. I am just looking at the trailing rope and any other possibilities of how it could have gotten in its position other than what you suggest..IMO you have a sharp eye and this may turn out to be what happened.

I think this is as plausible as others I have read here.

 

[pferrin]

what was to the right..where could he have been bringing her from?

 

[defense101]

How many floors did the manison have? TIA

I found out since I answered your post, there is a finished 1200 sq ft attic as well.

 

[time]

It is understandable when the death investigation began that LE would come right out and ask Dina, Jonah or Adam if either one of them had anything to do with Rebecca's death. I would be amazed to learn LE did not go this route since the death had been ruled suspicious. Remember LE was/is in an investigative mode with no determination reached.

LE takes the opportunity when it presents itself and asking them early on lets them know they are going to get to the bottom of it one way or another. They do this to watch their reactions and how they answer the questions.

So Adam denying he had anything to do with Rebecca's death is just reaffirming what he has already told LE. I really dont see a motive for Adam to be involved.

Now it doesn't mean in the end the death wont be ruled a suicide but LE knows usually they have only one or two bites at the apple before everyone will lawyer up even if they are innocent because they may think LE is going to try a pin a homicide on them.

IMO

Yeah, agree. I don't really think Adam had anything to do with harming her. I think it's possible, but unlikely he covered up something. Parsing his words may be to no avail but possibly he already knew he didn't kill her and anticipated someone would think he aided somehow. Poor guy must have been freaked out.

I still think there is often some hint at people statements when asked if they comitted a crime. In this case, it is probably not Adam's statement that's most pertinent.

The most classic statement I remember in a case was when Hans Riser (who murdered his wife) was asked about her and he said something like "I would be the one that wouldn't know" - :waitasec:

 

[gngr~snap]

what was to the right..where could he have been bringing her from?

good question! I can't find a decent aerial view!
The guest house? pool? It's so big I don't know what each building is!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Everyone is going by what AS said but never applying what and how he did it.

Cut her down.

Cut the rope from the balcony, let the body fall to the ground run down stairs, carry her to the grass so you can revive her? leaving here on her side?

Climb on a three legged table, hold a dead body, lift the tension off the rope and cut it? Climb down carry her to the grass.

When I look at the photo. I see her carried from the right to the grass area with the orange cord dragging behind. The table placed on the walkway.

As for the flinging cord. Very difficult to move dead weight. Have someone pretend to be dead and see how easy it is to move them more so spin 180 with enough force to have a 6 foot cord extend out like the photo.

I don't think he went up to the balcony to cut her down. That would only put more tension on her neck when he lowered her to the ground while he held onto the rope.

I think he stood on the table....tried to support her body with maybe positioning his shoulder under her butt to relieve the tension as he cut the rope which is seen hanging down at the bottom of the balcony in the middle.

I don't think the table had a leg broken. I think it was a three legged table in its original state. They can be as sturdy as a 4 legged table because the legs are positioned for balance. My husband has a three legged Jawhorse and it is very sturdy. As much or more so than a regular sawhorse.

In traumatic situation it is well known adrenaline kicks in on overload giving the person unusual strength. Men and women have been able to lift cars off of someone who is trapped underneath.

If Adam works on a tugboat then I would think he is physically fit.

I dont see where Adam would have any problem getting her down.

IMO

 

[MizStery]

http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau

Information we have not seem before, to my knowledge, about her ex.
It's a blog, so I don't know if information is correct.

IMO

I want to be careful of how I word this. This website does not tolerate attacking the victim...and I do not want this post construed that way. In the above link it mentions two incidents that together set off my hinky meter.

-snip
Rebecca was married to Neil Nalepa, 36 years old and divorced on February
28, 2011 in Arizona. Just three months later, Rebecca requested from the courts for her name to be restored to Zahau.

When Neil Nalepa petitioned the courts for divorce he asked for the filing fees
to be waived. Court documents also indicate that Mr. Nalepa has had a few civil suits over the past couple of years for money he owes from*evictions*at apartment complexes.

Court records also show that Rebecca was charged with shoplifting a few years
ago when she took $1,000 worth of jewelry from*Macy's.

As I stated my hinky meter went off. Let's say Mr.Napela could have been blackmailing RN. He obviously from the link has experienced financial difficulties. RN could have knowledge of Mr.Napela & his nefarious dealing. Perhaps,... and I am going out on a limb & speculate he told RN he would tell JS something unflattering about RN.He might have said he would tell JS unless she gave him money or shared in her good fortune.

Fast forward to now. Perhaps RN after she got the divorce told Mr. Napela that she didn't care what he said or did and to get lost.

He resents and thinks her changed after moving in with JS. She is not willing to share her good fortune with him. He waits until he is sure she is alone(opportunity) goes to the mansion and extracts his revenge.

This is just a theory. MOO

 

[Carrington]

I too will be careful how I word this. People have been known to work together in extracting money from the rich. No fool like an old fool and all that.
Not that JS is that old, just compared to her.
ETA: He is on my list of suspects, after the discussion on the credit card bill. And, I hope everyone knows about their last discussion, and I don't have to chase a link.


IMO

 

[defense101]

I want to be careful of how I word this. This website does not tolerate attacking the victim...and I do not want this post construed that way. In the above link it mentions two incidents that together set off my hinky meter.

-snip
Rebecca was married to Neil Nalepa, 36 years old and divorced on February
28, 2011 in Arizona. Just three months later, Rebecca requested from the courts for her name to be restored to Zahau.

When Neil Nalepa petitioned the courts for divorce he asked for the filing fees
to be waived. Court documents also indicate that Mr. Nalepa has had a few civil suits over the past couple of years for money he owes from*evictions*at apartment complexes.

Court records also show that Rebecca was charged with shoplifting a few years
ago when she took $1,000 worth of jewelry from*Macy's.

As I stated my hinky meter went off. Let's say Mr.Napela could have been blackmailing RN. He obviously from the link has experienced financial difficulties. RN could have knowledge of Mr.Napela & his nefarious dealing. Perhaps,... and I am going out on a limb & speculate he told RN he would tell JS something unflattering about RN.He might have said he would tell JS unless she gave him money or shared in her good fortune.

Fast forward to now. Perhaps RN after she got the divorce told Mr. Napela that she didn't care what he said or did and to get lost.

He resents and thinks her changed after moving in with JS. She is not willing to share her good fortune with him. He waits until he is sure she is alone(opportunity) goes to the mansion and extracts his revenge.

This is just a theory. MOO

I did a search of AZ court records and didn't find any records regarding evictions with NN ? I wonder where they found their information?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I agree, I can't get off her either. IMO this would mean her total disconnection from JS, MS is the only thing that kept her connected to JS. As well, just the condition of MS would be enough for a mother to go looking for angry revenge on the person they thought responsible.

I'm sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but why would DS (or any woman) have trouble letting go of a man that she stood up in front of God and everybody and claimed abused her?

If she received some sort of alimony in the divorce settlement, that is not going to be contingent upon Max being alive or not, unless that is a most unusual settlement. Legally JS has to pay it no matter what.

Any child support she was awarded for Max has to be spent on Max, not herself.

So I don't see money being a motive.

Why, then, would she not want to let go of her abuser? :waitasec:

ETA: Yes, I am well aware of battered woman syndrome. However, once the woman reaches the point of litigation and public accusation, it is highly unusual for her to return to the batterer if he pursues her, and almost unheard of if he does not.

Nor have I ever heard of an instance where a battered woman pursued her abuser after the fact; usually such women return to their abusers only because the abuser pursues them and the woman feels she has no other choice financially but to go back. With a well-paying career of her own, DS was obviously not in that situation.

 

[nanny2five]

I am an female electrician by trade..have been for many years. I have worked with the orange electrical cords for most of my adult life. They come in all sizes. Even with all my experience with extension cords..(and I know how to tie those suckers) never never ever would I use one to commit suicide. Nope...I could see her using belts..belts from robes..silk scarves..ribboons..sheets..but not an extension cord.

If I ..who has prolly more experience with extension cords than about any human in coronado beach california..would not use it to hang myself..I know she didn't.

pferrin, i am behind as usual, sorry if this has already been addressed. i think i agree with you, but not having the use experience with those sorts of cords that you have i couldn't be sure it would be a bad choice. can you give us example of reasons it would be a bad choice? is it the size? bulkiness? thanks for your insight

 

[nanny2five]

There would be difference jjenny.

If they made her jump I would think there would be signs off a struggle. Rebecca just wouldn't say 'ok Ill jump" she would fight to live. That is just a normal instinct when self preservation kicks in and it has been said that she was in great physical shape. So imo they would find defensive wounds on her hands and arms as she wrestled with the person trying to tie her up and would see signs of a struggle in and near the balcony area.

She would not just stand there doing nothing while the person but a noose around her neck or bound her wrists and feet up.

I am sure LE has had to figure out before if a death was a suicide or a homicide and they look for certain factors that point in one direction or the other.

The knots also can be a key piece of evidence. They most likely will call in a knot expert to get their opinion whether she made the knots herself or they believe the particular knot was used by another with a specific background and trade.

IMO

nobody could force me to jump. how about ya'll? not even at gunpoint. they would have to shoot me or shove me.

eta: i agree with someone upthread in that i believe she was expired before she ever went over the railing. how many crime scene photos have ya'll looked at? some of you have looked at hundreds or even thousands and i have looked at a few myself and imo the position she was in was the position she died in and she didn't die in that position hanging by her neck. jmo

 

[Carrington]

I believe JS divorced Dina, and she did not want a divorce.
Neil divorced Rebecca.
IMO

 

[pferrin]

I did a search of AZ court records and didn't find any records regarding evictions with NN ? I wonder where they found their information?

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/JusticeCourtCases/caseSearch.asp

Howdy Defense..here is a place to check..a couple of things on NN

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but why would DS (or any woman) have trouble letting go of a man that she stood up in front of God and everybody and claimed abused her?

If she received some sort of alimony in the divorce settlement, that is not going to be contingent upon Max being alive or not, unless that is a most unusual settlement. Legally JS has to pay it no matter what.

Any child support she was awarded for Max has to be spent on Max, not herself.

So I don't see money being a motive.

Why, then, would she not want to let go of her abuser? :waitasec:

ETA: Yes, I am well aware of battered woman syndrome. However, once the woman reaches the point of litigation and public accusation, it is highly unusual for her to return to the batterer if he pursues her, and almost unheard of if he does not.

Nor have I ever heard of an instance where a battered woman pursued her abuser after the fact; usually such women return to their abusers only because the abuser pursues them and the woman feels she has no other choice financially but to go back. With a well-paying career of her own, DS was obviously not in that situation.

Frankly I think the abuse done was tit for tat between the both of them. They both seemed to be highly emotionally charged and the slightest thing seems to set them both off especially during their breaking up period.

I think it is like most divorces. Usually one wants out and the other one fights it and wants the spouse to stay. It seems Jonah wanted out and Dina did not want him to leave her.

So she could have still loved him.

imo

 

[defense101]

I'm sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but why would DS (or any woman) have trouble letting go of a man that she stood up in front of God and everybody and claimed abused her?

If she received some sort of alimony in the divorce settlement, that is not going to be contingent upon Max being alive or not, unless that is a most unusual settlement. Legally JS has to pay it no matter what.

Any child support she was awarded for Max has to be spent on Max, not herself.

So I don't see money being a motive.

Why, then, would she not want to let go of her abuser? :waitasec:

ETA: Yes, I am well aware of battered woman syndrome. However, once the woman reaches the point of litigation and public accusation, it is highly unusual for her to return to the batterer if he pursues her, and almost unheard of if he does not.

Nor have I ever heard of an instance where a battered woman pursued her abuser after the fact; usually such women return to their abusers only because the abuser pursues them and the woman feels she has no other choice financially but to go back. With a well-paying career of her own, DS was obviously not in that situation.

Perhaps she did not want the divorce in the first place?
"Early the next year, Ms Shacknai, a child psychologist, called police claiming her husband had elbowed her in the right breast and swore at her as he attempted to drive away from the house.
He had visited the marital home - after leaving it several days earlier - to take Max out to dinner and then read him a bedtime story, Mr Shacknai told police.
He also claimed he didn't strike her, saying instead she tried to pull the keys out of his car while yelling 'You cannot leave me!'
He claims his wife laid down on the driveway in front of the car to stop him leaving.
According to the report, she then 'jumped on the front of the car... tried to push her way into the car... slapping him around the face and shoulders.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html#ixzz1Tdz9TKeV

 

[nanny2five]

I too will be careful how I word this. People have been known to work together in extracting money from the rich. No fool like an old fool and all that.
Not that JS is that old, just compared to her.
ETA: He is on my list of suspects, after the discussion on the credit card bill. And, I hope everyone knows about their last discussion, and I don't have to chase a link.


IMO

i am reading backwards so i might have missed it. i saw that he said their last discussion was about a joint credit card but i didn't see that i was about the bill. don't chase the link tho, i am reading backwards so i should run into it. if i do i will send it down

 

[defense101]

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/JusticeCourtCases/caseSearch.asp

Howdy Defense..here is a place to check..a couple of things on NN

thanks pferrin !

 

[pferrin]

pferrin, i am behind as usual, sorry if this has already been addressed. i think i agree with you, but not having the use experience with those sorts of cords that you have i couldn't be sure it would be a bad choice. can you give us example of reasons it would be a bad choice? is it the size? bulkiness? thanks for your insight

Hi Nanny..be glad to.

Electrical cords do not hold a knot well at all..unless you are a sailor or used to mountain climbing knots.
They are slippery.
The end loosens very quickly..difficult to tighten.
Almost impossible to tie around your own hands to make it secure

If you use duct tape or electrical tape you could have knots stay secure for a longer period of time.
And yes they are bulky to work with.
Alot heavier than normal rope.
The larger diameter electrical cord..the more difficult to work with.
I was rolling up an elctrical cord the other day and my brother said electricians are the only ones that can tie cords up...not true ..but they are challenging :fence:

 

[Wendy101]

what was to the right..where could he have been bringing her from?

Maybe the garage or guest house?