Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[4Jacy]

Back to her sister or family, perhaps? Back to her job? She did exisit before Jonah...IMO.

Rebecca was a Chin that came from Burma, which was referenced in her death/funeral notices...(links posted earlier).

IMO, if Rebecca could endure THIS, I think with her looks and education she could handle the end of the 2-3 yr relationship with Jonah, hardship makes us stronger, imo:



http://ethnomed.org/culture/chin/chin-cultural-profile

And I NEVER take for gospel what the EX, any EX, says...it can be sorta KC-ish...sprinkled with grains, small grains, of truth...I need more than his word to buy that.

Take it for what its worth, I have no link ...but I was with a very wealthy man and left, after 6 yrs, with nothing but what I brought or bought myself. I was with him cause I loved him, and left when I didn't, he was older and it was love; sometimes it is love, imo...Now, no, my sheets aren't as soft and silky and my spending sprees have halted ..but, man, my heart is free. I was with a controlling, powerful person...it is SO nice to be free. I've seen no proof that Rebecca would be any different. I've seen no proof she was a 'status-seeker', I haven't even read any posted rumor, here...I think many women choose leaving and self-respect over money every day...some don't...but some do.

Over the few years I've been here, I have seen theories and ideas posted here, that aren't picked up or covered by the MSM and their so-called experts, (Probation and Parole re; KC case, comes to mind) till months later...

[/B]I don't find homicide entertaining; I find it angering, it pizzes me off, badly....and those that post here, may I venture to say, do so out of a concern for victims with no voice...or a voice drowned out by an injustice of some kind, IMO...others, just like to help and it IS appreciated. The old saying, "Be a part of the solution or you're part of the problem", comes to mind...[/QUOTE]

BBM

I always enjoy reading your posts, Paladine, especially this one and very expecially the bolded part. Thanks

 

[Paladine]

I though it better for fellow Websleuthers to validate their findings then me to just point it out. I guess that's from my role as a trainer for some time.

I'm not sure if you caught it but the cord issue was noted in my initial viewing of the news feed. I just could not find the image to verify it again until Bonepile posted it again. My theory was established long ago.

I'm in a holding pattern waiting for what LE says. I have my theory established and the suspected account. I have left clues in some of my posting as to some of the circumstances from which I derived my conclusion.

After it is said and done I will point those out.

If I posted my theory I will surly be attacked as it happens just from me not believing AS account I can just imagine what would happen if I posted what I thought in detail.
The reason I give out the pointers as it seems, is that a lot of facts that are pertinent for the case is not discussed or I missed the discussion. So I throw it out there with limited input in hopes that someone picks up it, if they do then I know its not me running off on a tangent. Just a self check

That second call to the kennel for example it is huge, depending on who made it and when. I'm not sure if anyone picked that up but that will play big......

Even the media was played and did not know it. I will point that out too (at a later date)

As you pointed out the longer the delay the bigger the question.

Inobu

I see where you're coming from, now...

RBBM: I have seen some pretty wild theories posted...and I have posted a couple myself.

1 of my early theories involved a person, who I believe to be GS (I have no link), that may have been involved in some manner in Max's accident, (even by accident, just horseplay)...and Rebecca was killed to silence and /or punish her.

NOW...if that didn't get me chased off the board I challenge you to show me a potential theory that would!

I appreciate your seeming intention to have us draw our own conclusions with these pointers...but if you just tell your theory, including your pointers for back up, life would seem a whole lot easier, I think...lol. We can then look at what your thought process is and see if we agree, or partially agree, or might agree...but that's really neither here nor there: post it because YOU believe it to be a possibility...others can agree or not. So be it.

Many times the person in the minority is the one who is correct in the end...

THAT'S the great thing about a moderated board...we are alllowed to post theories...and posters are NOT permitted to attack other posters. WS gets very serious about that, imo.

You have a theory to tell, imo...you are intelligent and well-read, it seems, to me, on this case...have at it, bud!

Or not...up to you...but I would find it fascinating to read, I think.

AND P.S....that pic of the rope someone was asking for? It came from Bonepile from a frame of a video, iirc...

 

[Bonepile]

AND P.S....that pic of the rope someone was asking for? It came from Bonepile from a frame of a video, iirc...

and I am still not sure that it is not a vertical tear line in the video which was stopped at that point and not a rope or electrical cord which it might just be. The photo is too out of focus to know for sure.

 

[Paladine]

and I am still not sure that it is not a vertical tear line in the video which was stopped at that point and not a rope or electrical cord which it might just be. The photo is too out of focus to know for sure.

Hey Bonepile, thanks for that, jurys still out, then on that one, I guess...but I must say....when I stopped the video, in that frame, that 'possible vertical tear' is the same color as the 'rope' on the ground by Rebecca, imo...

 

[Bonepile]

Hey Bonepile, thanks for that, jurys still out, then on that one, I guess...but I must say....when I stopped the video, in that frame, that 'possible vertical tear' is the same color as the 'rope' on the ground by Rebecca, imo...

that is exactly what I saw too ... just one of those questioning days. Thanks.

 

[scorekeeper]

and I am still not sure that it is not a vertical tear line in the video which was stopped at that point and not a rope or electrical cord which it might just be. The photo is too out of focus to know for sure.

I really believe something is hanging from the balcony. I remember watching the video and trying to "stop" it at the right point (in the video there is only a split second when you see the balcony). But you came through with the pictures!!

 

[SunnieRN]

I have wondered if DS was rushing/had already rushed to the hospital when LE couldn’t reach her at home or by phone.

Someone will correct me if I am wrong but don’t you have to turn off your cell phone in certain hospital settings?

I am not sure if we know that is was actually turned off just no one answered?

DS possibly having gotten the news from GS or JS may have ignored the phone as she was in route and on arrival seeing she already knew and being in a state why answer.

Because of the delay in help arriving there was time while RN was giving CPR for GS to have been calling Dad and DS.

Or for JS or his assistant to call DS as soon as he heard even while underway.

If I had been RN I would have been telling GS to call them after calling 911.

I don’t think we know how DS learned of MS accident but it would make sense a family member had contacted her immediately.

all imo

Hi Jade.. I listened to police conversations to dispatch for the 11th..this is what I learned this was about 2 weeks ago when I wrote this..


I went on radioreference this afternoon and listen to police archives for july 11..from 10:00 am till about 12:45...my findings..

police and fire dept went to ocean ave a little after 10:00..I believe it was closer to 10:10am. 911 caller said 6 year old girl had fallen down the steps and was not breathing. the caller was hysterical..according to dispatch..gave addy as 1040 rather than 1043. Fire and police call dispatch back when on that block..there is no 1040. Dispatch calls caller and gets correct addy.

They transport Maxie to closer hospital..someone at house had been doing cpr while rescue was on the way. Rebecca calls JS on landline and he gets to hospital er first. 2 females from js house ride with police to hospital.

In the meantime..police go to Ave G to locate DS ..she is not home. They call her home # ..message box full. They said her car was there..they ran the tags.

Thee police tried numerous times to contact her..called lots of numbers went to house several times.

RN and GS meet with js and hospital and about 1 hour from the time of the 911
call..they were taking Maxie to childrens hospital. Police take the 2 females back to JS home..I believe this is RN and GS.

At 12:30 the police went by DS home again and she still was not there..I got tired and came back here..to me this says GS was not swept away..Dad prolly sent both home..didnt want GS to see anymore.

So I do know that DS did not get to hospital first..not sure what time they were able to notify her..I stopped listening at 100pm..hope this helps you.

Thank you pferrin, I knew there was a reason I posted what I posted. LE was unable to contact/find DS for several hours. As I said in my previous point, being a Mom, I would not have left my children with someone I didn't trust and not had a way to be contacted immediately. This leads me to believe GS was comfortable with Maxie being watched by Rebecca. Speaks to the fact that she did a good job of it.

 

[Inobu]

A family friend asked the camp Thursday to keep the dog for a few more days.

http://www.10news.com/news/28534601/detail.html

She had called his kennel, Camp Diggity Dogs, to pick up Ocean, the family’s 14-month-old Weimaraner the afternoon following the Monday accident that left her boyfriend's son with serious injuries.

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

This article doesn't speak to making two phone calls. He picked the dog up on Tuesday around 8:45 am. He was busy Monday afternoon and didn't have time to take Ocean to the vet to get shots updated.

Inobu, are you saying there are 2 phone calls documented via MSM that happened between RN and doggy day care gentlemen? Or are you talking about the phone call made on Thursday by "family" friend to have the dog stay awhile longer.

At this time, I would like LE to release if this case is a suicide or homicide.

Keying on the source of the article the CoronadoPatch which is local is more than likely to have reporters on hand making first hand interviews. The article was posted on July 14 closing the interview window to late July 13 or early July 14. The time of the interview set the time frame or window of the conversation

Here is the time line.

Monday afternoon the request to kennel the dog was made.
Situation prevented the pickup.
Tuesday 8:45 Greenbrug picks up the dog. Dog needs shots.
It is not known how long the dog was to stay per the initial conversation and when was the dog due back?

The connection? JS had the Shepard for what seems to be protection. Was that the case for RN? Remove the dog ,remove the protection. It is suspected that the call could indicate someone removing the dog from the premise.

The gating question is when was the extension call made and by whom. If it was made late Tuesday then one might thinks someone was trying to remove RN's protection posing an opportunity.

If it was made Wednesday then the call proves irrelevant.

That is what I am implying by the question or thought.
Inobu

 

[Inobu]

Inobu, My question is just out of curiousity and nothing more... What type of training did you do or are doing?

Training in communication, it created an analytical mindset that's become innate. lol.

Only if I can get those lotto numbers.............

 

[4Jacy]

Lotsa $$$$$$$, maybe?

Did you catch the info on the PR Co. JS hired? It's here somewhere, wow, what an impressive company. That was about 6 days ago, no link handy, The last stories that came with any meaningful news? About the same time, per google search...all from my personal observation, of course, take it for what it's worth or one can look into it themselves.

We're patient. We'll wait. I'd venture to say...if anyone hopes by delaying news, or not reporting on this case, it will fade...it won't. Not for some of us and we can be a noisy bunch.

Yes, Paladine, I did catch that about the PR firm and WHEN it was hired. I'm not surprised, are you? I'm sure if we look deeply enough we'll uncover who JS and/or AS has hired as a defense team. To bad Johnnie Cochran isn't alive.

One thing about your post I disagree with: "We're patient." The fact is we are not patient and that's when people get frustrated and start to get snarly. But you are correct, "We'll wait." They can drag this on as long as possible, people here at WS have very good memories.

 

[Morag]

Maybe the person(s) who cut her down was on the balcony and not standing on the table. And that the table broke from her falling onto the table (if that was even how the leg was broken).

I am not certain that we know that AS said he stood on the table to cut her down. I have read so much on this thread, that I just don't recall and will have to go back and see. It was my understanding that he simply reported that he cut her down.

No, we really know nothing about the fine details of how she was cut down- if she was cut down. But try to imagine cutting that rope from above, with her hanging several feet below.

Lie down flat on the floor of the balcony- reach between the uprights (and perhaps under a low rail), reach down, grasp the rope, cut it with ?, and then, either, lower her gently down (she weighs about 110, you're lying flat with your arms in an awkward position), or cut the rope and let her drop on the table, maybe, or on the concrete.

And even if you are cutting the rope from above, why reach down and have to cut it so awkwardly? Cut it much further up, back from the edge- you could be kneeling or even standing; and there would be plenty of play in the rope so that she could be lowered gently.

Of course, I am sitting comfortably here with no tragedy in front of me, so it's easy to think of the logical thing to have done! But he is a mature man who has handled ropes which are tied to awkward, heavy things. Why delay the 'rescue' by entering a large house, racing upstairs, finding the correct room...

Unless he stood on the table and it collapsed and he had no other choice. Still seems like a strange place to have cut the rope.

 

[MyBelle]

and I am still not sure that it is not a vertical tear line in the video which was stopped at that point and not a rope or electrical cord which it might just be. The photo is too out of focus to know for sure.

I'm curious what aspect of the video could be torn? Is it on tape or film? I thought everything was digital these days.

 

[Inobu]

There are some aspects of the rope that only LE knows and will further reveal the truth.

The instrument used to cut the rope will dictate the quickness in the cut. Holding a hundred pounds with one hand and cutting with the other will be challenging.

The angle in which the rope was cut will indicate the position of the cutter. Up ward angel verses downward angle. A straight across cut would be questionable.

The tautness of the rope leaves cut patterns.

The final cut angle could be a tell tale sign. If the rope was doubled back and cut ( Like a horse shoe) then we know RN's weight was not on the rope and it was cut for show.

Inobu

 

[scorekeeper]

Keying on the source of the article the CoronadoPatch which is local is more than likely to have reporters on hand making first hand interviews. The article was posted on July 14 closing the interview window to late July 13 or early July 14. The time of the interview set the time frame or window of the conversation

Here is the time line.

Monday afternoon the request to kennel the dog was made.
Situation prevented the pickup.
Tuesday 8:45 Greenbrug picks up the dog. Dog needs shots.
It is not known how long the dog was to stay per the initial conversation and when was the dog due back?

The connection? JS had the Shepard for what seems to be protection. Was that the case for RN? Remove the dog ,remove the protection. It is suspected that the call could indicate someone removing the dog from the premise.

The gating question is when was the extension call made and by whom. If it was made late Tuesday then one might thinks someone was trying to remove RN's protection posing an opportunity.

If it was made Wednesday then the call proves irrelevant.

That is what I am implying by the question or thought.
Inobu

She was shaken by recent events in her home, said a San Diego kennel owner who spoke with her on the Spreckels property Tuesday, less than 24 hours before she died

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...etectives-not-ready-to-discuss-cause-of-death

Article from July 15 - he only mentions that he spoke/say with RN on Tuesday.

So the call placed for the extended stay must have been placed on Thursday as reported in my previous post.

I do believe as previously posted....the dog may have been involved with Maxie's accident....RN could have been instructed to board the dog; therefore, leaving her vulnerable.

 

[MizStery]

I STILL would like to know more about RN's x-husband Neil J Nalepa.

Like were was he July 13, 2011?

After all he is RN's newly divorced x-husband
(I know they parted longer ago, RN started dating JS in 2009, anyone know exactly when RN and NN parted? and when they married?)

In Feb 2011 RN's divorce from NN was final.

In May 2011 RN had successfully petitioned to revert to her maiden name, Rebecca Zahau

So what was her reason to change her name from Nalepa back to her maiden
name?

Could the reason be that ´there was somthing about NN that made her feel bad bearing his name?

What ended their relationship? What was their brake up like ? how was the
divorce? How was their relationship after the divorce? any serious issues? domestic violence in the past etc

July 2011 Apparently RN was in contact with NN in the week leading up to her death. Was it by phone? Or did they meet face to face? and what was their contact about?
Here, is a July 15th, 2011 report:

http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/15/rebecca-nalepa-rebecca-zahau-adam-shacknai-reported-hanging/

"Rebecca’s ex-husband, Neil Nalepa, said they spoke to her this week and said that she was completely content and carefree."[/I

And here are pictures of what NN looked like when they were a pair and another picture from what he look like now, quite a change IMO
(hope it is ok to post his picture due to that he has been in the news, if not please deleet the pictures):

Thanks so much for posting his picture. A memorial tribute of photo's were available on one of our threads.... i am not sure if this was sponsered by the
church or RN family.I am sure it is NN in the kitchen with RN at a potluck during the Christmas season. It caught my eye because I have the identical vintage JOY decoration myself. Now that is a detail I know you are happy I shared. :smile:

 

[Inobu]

She was shaken by recent events in her home, said a San Diego kennel owner who spoke with her on the Spreckels property Tuesday, less than 24 hours before she died

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...etectives-not-ready-to-discuss-cause-of-death

Article from July 15 - he only mentions that he spoke/say with RN on Tuesday.

So the call placed for the extended stay must have been placed on Thursday as reported in my previous post.

I do believe as previously posted....the dog may have been involved with Maxie's accident....RN could have been instructed to board the dog; therefore, leaving her vulnerable.

Hold on......Look at this one dated July 14.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

This one cuts the window of interview and implied conversation time less than 24 hours.

 

[Charlie09]

I don't get it. You make the statement above ..........but posted this



This is the same question that I have the only difference is I look for factors in the photo to support the speculation on what occurred. Then use logic to either confirm or dispel the notion as I will do with yours.

Your last statement can be dismissed because placing the body awkwardly on the table cannot be done because it is a broken THREE LEGGED TABLE.

With 1 of 4 legs missing the tables center of gravity is cut in almost half. It is the weight of one leg that serves as the counter balance. Therefore the body could not be places awkwardly on the table.

There are only a few of you that seems to have issue with what I post, most seem to find merit in my observations. My position is based on the image (which is factual) and the comment AS (Factual on record to LE) made in regards to his actions that are the results of the image.

It is ok for you to speculate that he placed her body on the table and carried it to its location in the image but not alright for me to speculate that he carried it from another location on the property?

Your conclusion has no visual collaboration, My conclusions are based on the natural physics of gravity and motion and based on what I see and not think.

Your conclusions are not etched in stone.

My questions are just that questions, and speculation. Something doesn't make sense to me based on what I've seen. I'm not declaring anything....that's the difference.

Again, I have no desire to argue with you. I'm simply noting, you seem to want the discussion to go a certain direction - it's fairly automatic to wonder why?

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you pferrin, I knew there was a reason I posted what I posted. LE was unable to contact/find DS for several hours. As I said in my previous point, being a Mom, I would not have left my children with someone I didn't trust and not had a way to be contacted immediately. This leads me to believe GS was comfortable with Maxie being watched by Rebecca. Speaks to the fact that she did a good job of it.

Her son was at his father's house. I think there must be a reasonable explanation why they had difficulty contacting her. Not everybody is tethered to cell phone reception 24/7. Signals don't go everywhere yet.

I doubt she was of the opinion her replacement in her husband's life was "good" at mothering her son. I've never seen anybody in her situation happy about a "new" mother figure in their child's life.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

There are some aspects of the rope that only LE knows and will further reveal the truth.

The instrument used to cut the rope will dictate the quickness in the cut. Holding a hundred pounds with one hand and cutting with the other will be challenging.

The angle in which the rope was cut will indicate the position of the cutter. Up ward angel verses downward angle. A straight across cut would be questionable.

The tautness of the rope leaves cut patterns.

The final cut angle could be a tell tale sign. If the rope was doubled back and cut ( Like a horse shoe) then we know RN's weight was not on the rope and it was cut for show.

Inobu

Hmmm...:waitasec: Have you done this before?

Okay, apologies, I had to say it. :innocent:

 

[Theforeigner]

I have such a strange/funny feeling about this case. RN was married to NN for what 6 years before she started seeing JS, and they didn't get divorced until early 2011. I'm sure they stayed in contact. Was she with JS or NN when she was convicted?

In 2009, she went into a Macy's store and put more than $1,000-worth of jewellery into different shopping bags. Security officers grabbed her as she was walking out and called police.

Miss Nalepa pleaded guilty

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ais-mansion-son-Max-6-dies.html#ixzz1TzyWRzab

Was NN somehow blackmailing RN?

I don't know. Something is hinky about the relationship between JS, RN and NN.

Here is a Timeline I have been working on for a cupple of days, I´ll keep working on it. I have found all info in newsreports.


2001: RN came to US from Burma
200?: RN married Neil Nalpena, and lived at Long Island
2006: RN went to Phoenix Arizona
2007: J Shacknai bought the Spreckels mansion in March of 2007
2009. RN Zahau began dating the pharmaceutical mogul. They met through mutual friends
2009: RN arrested for shoplifting (don´t know if this was before or after RN became involved with JS? no date on either the shoplifting or first meeting JS)
2010: Dec. Nalepa, quit her job as a certified ophthalmic technician last December to spend more time with Shacknai and his family

2011. Feb. Divorce from Neil final
2011 May , Miss Nalepa, who had lived with Mr Shacknai for about two years, had successfully petitioned to revert to her maiden name, Rebecca Zahau
2011 July Rebecca’s ex-husband, Neil Nalepa, said they spoke to her this week and said that she was completely content and carefree.

2011 July 11 Monday
2011 July 11, present at the house prior to and at the time of Max accident was Max, RN and GS..JS daughter. In at least one other newsreport it was stated that it was "RN's 13-year-old sister" who was present when the Shacknai boy fell.
2011 July 11, 10:10am Coronado PD receive 911 call from distraught 13 yo girl at Spreckels mansion saying Max Shacknai had fallen down thegrand staircase.
2011 July 11 4:30 p.m.,Ted Greenberg,owner of Camp Diggity Dogs, receive call from Nalepa, RN needed her puppy cared for so she could go to the hospital.
2011 July 11 acc to police Adam Shacknai had flown in from out of state on Monday and was “staying in the house to be there for his brother.”
2011 July Adam Shacknai alleged had flown in from out of state on Monday and was “staying in the house to be there for his brothe

2011 July 12 Tuesday
2011 July 12, 8:15am RN call TG again to arrange him pick up the dog. The dogpuppy needed additional vaccine, therefore didn´t get pick up the day before.
2011 July 12 later that day, TG met Nalepa at the house. TG says RN was “very quiet and calm, wasn’t hysterical. She asked me to keep the dog for a few days.”
2011 July 12 ca midnight, RN's sister Mary Zahau-Loehner said she spoke to her sister and that she was “normal, fine, just getting ready to go to bed
2011 July 12 same night, a neighbor reportedly heard loud music coming from the mansion.

2011 July 13 Wedensday
2011 July 13 He cut her down from the balcony to try to save her, before calling 911

2011 July 13 6:48 am Adam Shacknai made 911 call
2011 July 13, 8:30 a.m Officers called in the Sheriff's unit
2011 July 13 11:30 PM media wrote: noted local attorney Paul Pfingst, the county's former district attorney, showed up on the scene saying he had been hired by someone connected with the investigation.Pfingst, who has become a successful defense attorney since his departure from the DA's office, refused to identify the individual, saying he could not do so because Sheriffs investigators would not grant him access to the scene.

2011 July 14, Thursday

Phone call made to Ted Greenberg on Thursday alleged by "family" friend to have the dog stay awhile longer.