Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing

[MeeBee]

Actually Nurmi is doing his job, which is to try and save his client from the needle. Can't fault him. He doesn't have much to work with and has to do everything he can possibly do to do his job.

I don't think this latest hubbub is about that part. Nurmi is trying to shut the media out so the public can't criticize him or his client. He isn't really doing his job at this point. He's throwing a very public temper tantrum. The media's presence has nothing to so with his saving his client's life. He seems quite a bit more preoccupied with twitter these days.

 

[Hatfield]

What really irks me so bad is that there are no attempts by the judge to speed this along. Its like it is slowing down if anything.

Just when it seems to get started again....BOOM....another delay. And this time, its a long one.
In other trials I have watched, the judge would make the attorneys work late each day or even on Saturdays when this crud started happening. In this case, its like....ok, everyone have a nice long break.

Again, just no respect for the juror's time OR the family's pain + suffering to want to get this over with.

 

[tlckgram]

If the witness were really JA, the judge could just call her back up to the stand for cross if Nurmi refuses to ask further questions on direct.

Could that actually be done?

 

[ohreally]

I really think Nurmi was was just throwing a hissy fit today when he said the trial will go to the end of January. He was mad because the very last thing he was told by Judge Stephen's before being asked about this was the trial will go forward. He was acting out like a child. Maybe he was even hoping jurors might hear this and start backing out. I just think once again he was threatening the court. I hope Judge Stephens does let the jury know tomorrow that the trial is still on tract to finish on December incase a juror heard the threat.

 

[tlckgram]

That is exactly my thought. Disgusting, but it seems to be a pretty good strategy from the looks of things. I am horrified for the family but as much for the Constitutions of the United States and Arizona. Complete mockery of the system by DT.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

"Kurk Nurmie is a Whale" FB page..how classless. I won't take anything on that page seriously.

I know right??

 

[neesaki]

I mentioned in another post that I'm typically not pro-death penalty unless the crime fits the justification. Manson murders, Arias both fit for me.

However, if it meant Travis' family being able to move on sooner, I would have been for a deal to avoid this phase, giving her life without parole.

Now, I am terrified of Arias getting life because I wouldn't put it past this judge to give her life with the possibility of parole... which would be an utter disaster.

I know what you mean. I started to post something similar, that maybe the prosecution should take the DP off the table. Then I stopped myself..... And I know I don't need to say why.

 

[MeeBee]

Consider this: Nurmi's argument is that the media's presence will affect Jodi's right to a fair trial. But an appeals court has already decided the media's presence is not an issue and Jodi's rights are still intact. So at this point it shouldn't be a issue for him anymore either. But he keeps pushing. If he is really concerned about saving Jodi's life, and of course, he is, then just do it.

 

[Love Never Fails]

IME, comorbid Cluster B personality disordered people wouldn't see the situation quite like 'normal' people do. She's quite likely to fervently believe she will beat the DP, society at large will see the victim she so clearly is, and her 'wrongful' conviction will be overturned on appeal because she murdered Travis in self-defense.

I'd be absolutely gutted if I were incarcerated. The loss of freedom scares the hell out of me. But for someone like Arias, it's viewed as a temporary situation, easily adaptable. The high-profile nature of this case feeds her narcissism and her belief that she's a lot more important than she really is. IMO, she absolutely believes - to the core of her being - she will one day be free. In the meantime, she will continue to manipulate where and when she can, to include Travis' family, because it's fun to her. She feels like a mastermind, the queen of the chessboard, and all us lowly humans (to include attorneys, judge, family, friends, supporters, etc.) are just merely her pawns. Other people are her playthings - she'll engineer and manipulate situations just to get the result she desires.

So yes, she believes she will win. We know better.

JMO and FWIW

ETA: Something rather scary to bear in mind when it comes to figuring out Arias...she feels justified in taking Travis' life. In her world, she really isn't guilty, because he deserved it. IMO

Your post is so accurate. I share your feelings about the way a normal person would feel if incarcerated. Jodi is not normal and that is why this is so maddening to the rest of us. The Judge only brings more tension and madness by the way she is handling this case. Jodi will feel justified till she takes her last breath. But oh, I would never want to be in her place beyond that last breath!

Please keep posting. I really enjoy your insight.

 

[Renee110]

Is Nurmi basically forcing a mistrial? His argument about social media makes no sense. Other trials are covered by the media. Is he trying to get this over with, so he can go on with his practice,without recrimination as in he gave it all he could, but it was out of his hands? It seems to me he is throwing the trial and going for JSS to make the decision. He wants his hands clean of all of this IMO.

Am I making sense? Lol.

You make sense! Yes, I think he wants a mistrial and not because he's ready to move on with his practice but because he thinks it's the only way to "win". He's afraid she'll get DP if the jury decides and a mistrial takes DP off the table. I personally think he likes the attention the trial has received. I'm glad he lost weight (for health reasons) but I kind of think he did it just for this trial. Maybe I'm way off base but I get the impression he enjoys everyone watching and talking about him.

I think I think too much about this trial.

 

[decemberbee45]

I was accepted to law school and chose not to go. I sometimes find myself wondering "should I have gone?" Not today, not today.

 

[Renee110]

I think the State would have the option of restarting. It would take some research to answer this one for sure. Different types of mistrials have different effects.

I wonder what the Alexander's would want, to be done with it and settle for the judge deciding or if they would be willing to go through this again. I personally feel this has been very manipulated by the defense and that they are trying to cause a mistrial which makes me want to keep on and keep on until the JURY decides. But my mom always told me I would cut my nose off to spite my face so…. plus Juan seem so very disgusted and ready for this to be finished I wonder if the State would even consider going again.

 

[mamadee]

Notice the black wrist brace.

 

[ohreally]

You make sense! Yes, I think he wants a mistrial and not because he's ready to move on with his practice but because he thinks it's the only way to "win". He's afraid she'll get DP if the jury decides and a mistrial takes DP off the table. I personally think he likes the attention the trial has received. I'm glad he lost weight (for health reasons) but I kind of think he did it just for this trial. Maybe I'm way off base but I get the impression he enjoys everyone watching and talking about him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that a mistrial does not automatically mean that the case cannot be retried. If there is another hung jury then then decision automatically goes to the judge. I do think the defense does want a mistrial even if they cause it in hopes that the prosecution will not want to go for another trial, but a mistrial doesn't automatically stop another trial.

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[elementary]

She is a good judge. The one thing that will not come out of this is some appeal because she was too hard on her. I know it stinks to have to wait and see all these delays but in the end you want it done and done right.
I can defend her because I see that in the end when JA starts with the appeals process that her parents are not trying to fund, And she hears denied, denied, denied because of all the leeway that JSS gave the CM, It will have been well worth it.

Nurmi is fighting for his client. He is doing what he is supposed to and he is trying hard to save her life. That is not a small task and I bet it comes with a great responsibility. He is not my cup of tea but I can't help but think about the position he is in.

I think she deserves the DP. She is a callous killer and I will say it again, I don't think this was her first attempt at Murder. I think if she was out she would surely do it again. But I also don't want to revisit this phase again. And for that I will be patient and wait out the process..

I doubt it. Nurmi asserts that he is anti DP and if he were actually fighting for anything, I imagine it is against the DP which he asserts on his Twitter account (IIRC). But more so, I think he is anti- Nurmi looking like a sleaze/loser to the public. Whatever he's fighting for, I don't think it's actually for the life of the butcher.

And, hey, what about Wilmott? How does she fit into this scenario? She seems to have been thrown by the wayside in terms of salience.

 

[wenwe4]

JA is left handed

 

[elementary]

This entire strategy is being orchestrated and controlled by the evil CMJA, and her unethical and unprofessional DT.

CMJA and the DT are going for a mistrial, in the hopes of wearing down the Alexander Family, and Juan ... CMJA and the DT want a sentence from JSS because they KNOW JSS is WEAK, and will give her LWP !


lease:lease:lease: the jury gives CMJA the DP as she deserves it !


lease:lease:lease: that the Alexander Family will see this through until the end !

:moo:

This is more of a philosophical take. I don't think the murderer is running the show without the complicity and creativity of the DT. I think this is now way more about image and winning, VANITY, and that Nurmi and Wilmott are fighting just to win and for their reputations, just because. If I couldn't stand my client, I would do everything legally valid due to my professional duty and that is good enough. What is happening now is something ego driven and vain, IMO, and, as someone suggested upthread, from a sense of entitlement, thanks to JSS.

 

[ohreally]

Ahh so sad. Does that mean her drawing days are over? Sarcasm

 

[ElleElle]

You make sense! Yes, I think he wants a mistrial and not because he's ready to move on with his practice but because he thinks it's the only way to "win". He's afraid she'll get DP if the jury decides and a mistrial takes DP off the table. I personally think he likes the attention the trial has received. I'm glad he lost weight (for health reasons) but I kind of think he did it just for this trial. Maybe I'm way off base but I get the impression he enjoys everyone watching and talking about him.

I think I think too much about this trial.

Question: Let's assume there is a mistrial; or at best, COA.

Does Nurmi have to stay on as defense?

 

[MeeBee]

Video of today's hearing!!!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/news/local/mesa/2014/11/04/18487455/

Hmm, it really doesn't sound like the defense has many witnesses based on what Juan said. Two experts and a person from California. Why would three witnesses, rebuttal and possible allocution take three months?