Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing

[dog.gone.cute]

"We know there are witnesses who could be called.

There was also that witness who was on the witness stand who can be called on Wednesday."
Juan Martinez. November 4, 2014.

This makes me believe 1000000% that CMJA was the secret witness!
She was the witness who was on the stand on Wednesday and since she is already in custody, they could easily put her back up there and complete testimony. JMO

(Thanks Daisy for transcribi)

RBBM: Bingo ! The only witness in that courtroom today for CMJA was CMJA herself !

And if you go back to yesterday and look at the photo of CMJA that was released, she had her "new look" : fresh white shirt and hair pushed back :gaah:

Yep ... the DT was expecting to continue CMJA's "super secret testimony" yesterday, but the Appellate Hearing was scheduled and their ruling was handed down !

All this "shuffling of witnesses" by the defense is pure-D B ... S ...

It's outrageous that JSS continues to entertain the DT's B ... S ...

:moo:

 

[cindymac]

I don't think he can testify on behalf of something Travis may have said to him. IIRC only the clergy/Bishop can testify in court if the person they were "ministering" to gives their consent to speak about their discussion (ie: JA's Bishop speaking on her behalf with her permission). But I am not an Atty

As I understand it, priest-penitent privilege depends on the context. For instance, whether the communication was part of a confession or spiritual counselling session ordinarily considered to be strictly private, and protected as such. Or, whether it occurred in a lay setting, as it were, where there was no such expectation, such as a church charity event, or social evening.

Bishop Parker may have interacted with Travis in both ways: in a counselling/confessional capacity = privileged, but also at social events = not necessarily privileged.

For instance, Travis might have given Bishop Parker an update on his life, how his career was going, etc., and in the course of the conversation, mentioned an unfortunate and troubling entanglement with a woman. This could easily be classified as ordinary social interaction between old friends, rather than a privileged religious communication.

 

[ElleElle]

I don't think he can testify on behalf of something Travis may have said to him. IIRC only the clergy/Bishop can testify in court if the person they were "ministering" to gives their consent to speak about their discussion (ie: JA's Bishop speaking on her behalf with her permission). But I am not an Atty

What if he has written material?

 

[Renee110]

I just watched the video of today's proceedings and JSS is looking rough. She was nervous. She wouldn't make eye contact. She weighed each and every word carefully before she very hesitantly, cautiously and carefully said them. I am not a speed typist and I could have left the video running and typed what she said without having to pause and catch up.. She kept looking up, like she was remembering something she had memorized. She was insecure. This video really makes me nervous. This trial has reached some kind of climax and she is floundering. All my opinion of course.

 

[wenwe4]

What if he has written material?

As far as I know it would be similar to a HIPPA disclosure . . . unless the person gives explicit consent to discuss the spiritual counseling subject matter - it is not waived even after the person's death. Again, I am not an Atty - but I did ask AZL this similar question a couple of days ago and I am paraphrasing her in my post you quoted.

ETA: I see that AZL liked my post but I am not sure if she is agreeing with me or just liking that I am not Atty. (lol)

 

[dog.gone.cute]

WTH???????

This means that Juan argued, given the actual state of things, it was not remotely impossible to continue.

And yet Judge Stephens chose to stay all proceedings for an entire week, and her reasons are secret. How can this be right?

Also, thank you daisydomino for the transcript. it is very much appreciated!

RBBM: Yep ... you got it ! Despicable !

JSS's ruling today was an absolute "slap in the face" to Travis, the Alexander Family, and Juan Martinez !

Obviously, NOTHING has changed since that "slap down" from the Appellate Court !

:moo:


And adding my :tyou: THANKS to daisydomino for the transcript !

 

[MeeBee]

The state witness list posted by DGC listed Marsha Parker, the Bishop's wife, as a witness for the state--has D. Vernon Parker been added as well?

Good question. I don't know. Jen reported that it was Juan that intended to call him and said so again in a blog post. The person who claims it was a defense witness is a rival of Jen's and their reason for knowing this was weird. And since his name was made public, I thought it also meant he couldn't be a DT witness. I admit this could be wrong and Jen may have have heard wrong.

 

[Renee110]

Forget the brace. What happened to her hair and how did she get highlights? Did she cry to the judge that her gray didn't line up with a "young girl?" She had eyeliner on the other day, which could have been from her pencils. But, there is no way she could get those highlights from being outside 1 hour a day? Maybe it's the camera angle or no shower/greasy hair day. Odd. Sorry to quote her pic. Maria is looking a little rough. Didn't even recognize her.

uhhh. yeah. Her hair has been pretty darn dark almost black. And now it's got some pretty nice looking highlights. I bet JSS did her hair herself.

 

[neesaki]

I believe that trials are to be public that does not include the right to broadcast on tv IMO. They should be all open and free to attend. They should be able to come in and to video for later and such but I don't think there is a right to live streaming.

Why ? A public trial is public. In today's world, that would include live streaming . No ? Just trying to understand your logic. TIA

 

[ElleElle]

uhhh. yeah. Her hair has been pretty darn dark almost black. And now it's got some pretty nice looking highlights. I bet JSS did her hair herself.

Her hair appears, but as a poster mentionned, it could be lighting.

The only way I see her getting highlights is from a hairdressing school at Estrella.

 

[Renee110]

Oh no. I knew that. I meant they don't do this trial on Friday, which they absolutely could do given the circumstances. The jury shouldn't be kept until January. Instead, they should work late and hold this trial on Fridays until it is done. Sometimes, the thoughts in my head don't come out right when I type. I knew what I meant. lol

I agree. If Nurmi wants this trial to continue through Januray then he can put his money where his mouth is and work nights and weekends. It's all for Jodi's rights, right? If that is what it takes, then he should be happy to do it.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I just watched the video of today's proceedings and JSS is looking rough. She was nervous. She wouldn't make eye contact. She weighed each and every word carefully before she very hesitantly, cautiously and carefully said them. I am not a speed typist and I could have left the video running and typed what she said without having to pause and catch up.. She kept looking up, like she was remembering something she had memorized. She was insecure. This video really makes me nervous. This trial has reached some kind of climax and she is floundering. All my opinion of course.

I agree. Her behavior was strange. Did you notice her facial expressions while she was listening to Juan Martinez's argument? It was weird. And what is with the head tilted to the side? In body language, that is a classic feminine "come on" type of gesture! Just so much of her body language in that video seems to be "off". And the speech pattern.

As for this delay, while I do not understand the legalese, I thought she was somehow saying that she was giving Nurmi time to do something. Have to go back and watch it again. She said something about something being due on Friday and she would give him time. Or did I mis-hear this?

 

[Foghorn]

Good question. I don't know. Jen reported that it was Juan that intended to call him and said so again in a blog post. The person who claims it was a defense witness is a rival of Jen's and their reason for knowing this was weird. And since his name was made public, I thought it also meant he couldn't be a DT witness. I admit this could be wrong and Jen may have have heard wrong.

Thank you, MeeBee. I do remember the back and forth discussions on whether the Bishop was being called by the state or defense but was not sure if we had a definitive answer. Hard to say with so much of this trial sealed.

I give up trying to figure this all out--it's scrambling this old brain. ropeller:

 

[AngelWings444]

I agree. Her behavior was strange. Did you notice her facial expressions while she was listening to Juan Martinez's argument? It was weird. And what is with the head tilted to the side? In body language, that is a classic feminine "come on" type of gesture! Just so much of her body language in that video seems to be "off". And the speech pattern.

As for this delay, while I do not understand the legalese, I thought she was somehow saying that she was giving Nurmi time to do something. Have to go back and watch it again. She said something about something being due on Friday and she would give him time. Or did I mis-hear this?

JSS was giving Nurmi time to address the court of appeals smack down. Something he could in the evenings instead of stalking twitter.

 

[Renee110]

I agree. Her behavior was strange. Did you notice her facial expressions while she was listening to Juan Martinez's argument? It was weird. And what is with the head tilted to the side? In body language, that is a classic feminine "come on" type of gesture! Just so much of her body language in that video seems to be "off". And the speech pattern.

As for this delay, while I do not understand the legalese, I thought she was somehow saying that she was giving Nurmi time to do something. Have to go back and watch it again. She said something about something being due on Friday and she would give him time. Or did I mis-hear this?

He is fighting what the COA said about the stay. He wants to file a brief by Friday.

 

[rose222]

I'm surprised to hear myself say this, but after watching that video I'm glad there hasn't been live streaming! My heart was racing so fast, surely my blood pressure was elevated at the mere sound of Nurmi! All I hear is whine, blah blah blah blah blah, it's not fair, it's the state's fault, it's the media's fault, whine whine blah blah blah. And Arias and MDLR in their uncomfortably intimate embracing just makes my skin crawl. It seems to me the judge was kowtowing to Nurmi, and IMO looked less than thrilled when listening to Juan. Just so frustrating on every level.

I agree. Her behavior was strange. Did you notice her facial expressions while she was listening to Juan Martinez's argument? It was weird. And what is with the head tilted to the side? In body language, that is a classic feminine "come on" type of gesture! Just so much of her body language in that video seems to be "off". And the speech pattern.

As for this delay, while I do not understand the legalese, I thought she was somehow saying that she was giving Nurmi time to do something. Have to go back and watch it again. She said something about something being due on Friday and she would give him time. Or did I mis-hear this?

Interesting facial expression on the part of the Judge when Juan talked about having discretion to go forward. (in the beginning of the video).

Colour me confused as I don't know why this penalty phase is being handled so very differently from the last one and not just regarding cameras.

Speaking of cameras, there appears to be only one at the back.

ETA: Just finished watching the video. The tweets made it appear as though the Judge was quite forceful in telling the Defense to go forward. Not so. She seemed soft and even said she understood why the Defense wanted to call certain witnesses before others.

 

[Mystymiss]

JMO I don't understand why there is no Limit on Time or court cost when taking a case through the trial stage.

I say Let the Judicial system Pick the experts (out of a hat) for Pros/Def. Limit amount of money to the indigent (no open purses anymore) and trial must be concluded within a 3 yr period. I feel so sorry for the people of AZ. Also a defendant should only get to use indigent ONCE In their life time. Note if there are supports of the defendant, then let them shell out the money that a defendant wants. Tired of hearing excuses of why a case doesn't move forward after 6yrs in the system.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

All the drawing, coloring and writing finally catching up to her?

It's probably from signing all those autographs and manifestos for her adoring fans.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Interesting facial expression on the part of the Judge when Juan talked about having discretion to go forward. (in the beginning of the video).

Colour me confused as I don't know why this penalty phase is being handled so very differently from the last one and not just regarding cameras.

Speaking of cameras, there appears to be only one at the back.

ETA: Just finished watching the video. The tweets made it appear as though the Judge was quite forceful in telling the Defense to go forward. Not so. She seemed soft and even said she understood why the Defense wanted to call certain witnesses before others.

:seeya: Hi rose,

BBM: Yes, the tweets that were tweeted early on made it appear as though JSS was coming down on the defense ... and then BOOM ... JSS rules AGAINST Juan and gives the DT more time !

:happydance: And I was so glad that camera was there ... it was such a relief to see Juan !

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I still think the witness from CA is Mr. Vernon Parker. He was TA's and Deanna Reeves' Mormon bishop in Riverside.

Juan has a Marsha Parker listed as one of his witnesses. I wonder if they know each other? and what will she have to say about his testimony?