Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/11-14 ~weekend~

[Steely Dan]

There has been so much discussion about why JA was so adamant that there was on Travis's computer. The one thing that keeps running through my head is one way she would be so confident that there was on there is if they viewed it together for ideas of things to try when they were together for booty calls. I don't have any real issues with adult and think if a couple wants to look at it, that's okay. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it is the ONLY way I can see that CMJA could have been so positive there was some there. I would like to see if on dates there were "hits" on adult sites, does CMJA's journal reflect that she had seen Travis on those dates. I wouldn't expect for there to be a one to one correlation as she didn't consistently journal, but on the dates she said she saw him, were there sites accessed? Tellingly, there has been no evidence at all that on the date the liar says she saw TA with a child's pic, there were no sites accessed. FWIW. JMO.

I'd be willing to bet that at least one juror has viewed or has at their house. The industry doesn't thrive because nobody buys it. JMO

The defense will never be able to prove that some other program rather than "the Incinerator program" was used to "shred" the files and the prosecution will never be able to prove that those files never existed in the first place. This whole thing is such a farce... a truly Sophie's choice lies before the judge... I can't even begin to imagine how any Judge can't make a ruling on something like this...

The DT absolutely can't second guess the guilty verdict by bringing up "evidence" that was "missed." Not even JSS at her most lenient would allow it.

I think the only way the is relevant is if it is flat out child . But the most the DT can argue is that links were found, not actual files, which JM can attribute to viruses.

The worrisome thing about the , if JSS doesn't shut Nurmi down on it altogether, is that Nurmi is going to claim it will still take weeks and weeks to analyze that gigantic amount of . I don't see how JSS can allow it in and NOT give Nurmi time -lots of it- to go on a kiddy wild goose chase.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jod...continues-maria-de-la-rosa-takes-center-stage

And this is the most important part of that great article. I suggest everyone read the whole thing, but this is by far the best part of the arrticle;

...Has the defense proven Brady violations beyond a reasonable doubt?

If you answer yes to that question, you are saying that you believe the evidence existed on the original computer of Travis Alexander, before he died, and that you know without a shadow of a doubt that Juan Martinez had something to do with the evidence disappearing. At this point, to agree to these premises, you would also have to believe that Travis Alexander invented the Incinerator program, years before its time, and was hiding it in his Recycling Bin before revealing it to the world. You would also have to have a very reasonable explanation as to how his Incinerator program was manually put in the Recycling Bin from the after life. You also are saying that this evidence solves the murder of Travis Alexander and Jodi should go home for Christmas....

I edited my own post for brevity.

It appears that, from this article, the state can prove that the defense did something that required them to use Incinerator. We know Incinerator didn't exist prior to TA's death. We also know that Incinerator can be used to attempt subterfuge on the part of the user. We also know that Incinerator was found in the recycling bin on the defenses copy of TA's computer HD.

I believe it will be fairly easy to prove that the defense planted evidence on the HD. I think this is why BN got so upset about Juan wanting a copy of a copy of a copy. I'm sure Juan knows there is absolutely no on the original hard drive and the original copy given to BN. I think Juan wants his end product, which would be the copy of a copy of a copy, allegedly.

It's my belief that KN gave the copy of the HD to BN and he tampered with it to add to the HD and then made claims that the state destroyed evidence on purpose. The problem BN has is that somebody forgot to delete the Incinerator program from the recycle bin (which would be hysterical if that's the case) and that showed that Incinerator was used for "something". What? Well it could have been used to get rid of pesky virus', but I believe that's still tampering. I'm assuming the work on the HD by the defense has to be traceable. I think it's more likely that things were added to the HD and then Incinerator was used to destroy the tracks of this activity. All the state has to do is look at BN's end product and compare it to the original and see what has been added or deleted to the "original" BN is claiming he has.

It also appears to me that Juan is willing to let this go, for now, if the defense drops the charges. He probably just wants to get this hearing done with. I don't think that stops him from being able to file charges against BN after trial. There could also be an investigation in to who told him to do that, or if he just decided to do it on his own. I doubt he did it on his own. So who instructed him to do it? I'm guessing that someone on the defense team is really, really ticked off at Juan and wants payback. After this trial is over some things could get very, very interesting. JMO

Just read that if the especially cruel lying torture murderess is sent to death row she will be in solitary confinement 23 out of 24 hours each day.

:jail:

The only one to listen to her lies then will be herself.

 

[5bigfish5]

On, no, no, no!!!! I WANT Juan to bring out his witness!!! Please Please Please. I don't think you have the right to TRY to ruin someone's reputation without absolute proof! You can't just slink away and say "Oh, nevermind..."

I'm really kind of confused. I honestly don't know how Sherry can rule on the motion.

Seems to me porngate ended rather abruptly. I thought BN was going to be back on the stand, or in the very least, release the HD or clone or whatever it is that Juan wanted, plus he never disclosed those special codes that Juan needed.

How can Juan be expected to fully defend the Prosecutor's Office against Nurmi's allegations, without the DT turning over their work?

 

[krkrjx]

I'm really kind of confused. I honestly don't know how Sherry can rule on the motion.

Seems to me porngate ended rather abruptly. I thought BN was going to be back on the stand, or in the very least, release the HD or clone or whatever it is that Juan wanted, plus he never disclosed those special codes that Juan needed.

How can Juan be expected to fully defend the Prosecutor's Office against Nurmi's allegations, without the DT turning over their work?

So far the allegations of state misconduct have not been proven and further, if evidence has not been turned over as ordered, that is reason enough to deny the motion.

 

[wenwe4]

Here is an article from Radaronline regarding the Milke decision and the Arias trial

They did make an obvious mistake when they reported Travis was murdered in 2009.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ge-considering-motion-toss-murder-conviction/

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't see how the jurors are keeping anything straight. Crazy delays, crazy witnesses . I say show the autopsy photos all the time court is happening just to remind the jurors why they are there. I don't see how long distance relationship issues , or whatever else the defense drags up really matters.

Hopefully they are taking good notes.

I'm really kind of confused. I honestly don't know how Sherry can rule on the motion.

Seems to me porngate ended rather abruptly. I thought BN was going to be back on the stand, or in the very least, release the HD or clone or whatever it is that Juan wanted, plus he never disclosed those special codes that Juan needed.

How can Juan be expected to fully defend the Prosecutor's Office against Nurmi's allegations, without the DT turning over their work?

BBM

He can't. That's why this whole thing will probably be thrown out. JMO

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm really kind of confused. I honestly don't know how Sherry can rule on the motion.

Seems to me porngate ended rather abruptly. I thought BN was going to be back on the stand, or in the very least, release the HD or clone or whatever it is that Juan wanted, plus he never disclosed those special codes that Juan needed.

How can Juan be expected to fully defend the Prosecutor's Office against Nurmi's allegations, without the DT turning over their work?

Since this judge booted out the media and practically sealed the proceedings, we really have little idea what happened.

What we have never been privy to in real time is what is being discussed at the gazillion sidebars this judge allows, let alone the private proceedings in chambers.

Perhaps both sides and JSKS knew that LKN and JW were just pushing mud up hill so she told them to close out.

One can always hope.

 

[5bigfish5]

So far the allegations of state misconduct have not been proven and further, if evidence has not been turned over as ordered, that is reason enough to deny the motion.

I hope you are correct....but, about the "deny" part...doesn't that leave Sherry the option to deny without prejudice and give Nurmi the go-ahead to rework the motion and re-file?

 

[Tuba]

Specifics are helpful. Dr. Samuels testified that Arias claimed there were many pictures of women's breasts on Travis' computer. They were never found by the Mesa P.D. I think that is the extent of his testimony on the subject of .

Lon Dworkin found the photo of an erect penis on Arias' hard drive & so testified. Dworkin could not identify the photo to a particular man.

 

[Dmacky]

Still counting but here's her tweet from Dec. 6: "Has anyone realized TA's pc & viruses & State misconduct & tampering wouldn't have been discovered had #JodiArias not been pro per?"

The fact is, everyone does ​realize that and while you are congratulating yourself, brace for a December typhoon.

LOL ^^^
Jumping off your post Tuba ~ I have been compiling some dates together in hopes of getting a better understanding of what evidence JA was able to get her grimy paws and why it suddenly became so important to her.

One August 4, go's pro se. The very SAME day she hires PI Dorian Bond.
The Trial Diaries August 4
#‎jodiarias‬ has an investigator and wants evidence checked out at Mesa PD

Lord only knows what other evidence was taken besides the Travis's hard drive. The question is WHY was that it so important to her? What did she remember?

Let's start with May 28, 2008. Which is the first time these sites just happened to start occurring on TA's computer. Riddle me this. Isn't that the very same day that Jodi found out that TA was taking Mimi to Cancun? And don't forget that this also was the day that there was an unfortunate BURGLARY at Paw paw's :wink: house, and that darn gun was stolen.

JA could have very well sent an email attachment with a virus to TA.
Just in case Mimi ever happened to get on Travis's laptop. She was very good in her knowledge of technology, you know hacking and all his passwords etc.
TA had already written on his blog that he was serious about finding a good woman to marry.

Later she even tried blackmailing (for loss of a better word) JSS. I'll give up my pro se if I can get rid of KN and have another attorney, but I'll keep JW for good measure. Well that little tactic didn't work, and she already had her new evidence. Her and her PI had the hard drive, she decided later to take back her attorneys and give up representing herself.

One more attempt at getting rid of Nurmi before the trial started with a 12 page letter didn't work. It was written a little earlier maybe Oct. 17 ? but actually filed on Oct. 22, 2014. Which Ironically BN or Tony the Tiger, or whoever's name had to be written down for JM (cause it's a secret, shhhh) actually went into TA's computer and attempted to delete the incinerator program manually. ON OCTOBER 22 2014 AT 10:16 PM TO BE EXACT.

I left out so much but this is really long already and I am on my phone.

 

[ShadyLady]

Specifics are helpful. Dr. Samuels testified that Arias claimed there were many pictures of women's breasts on Travis' computer. They were never found by the Mesa P.D. I think that is the extent of his testimony on the subject of .

Lon Dworkin found the photo of an erect penis on Arias' hard drive & so testified. Dworkin could not identify the photo to a particular man.

BUT, big but, Dworkin was not told to look for . So if no one looked....why the scuttlebutt now?

 

[JSR]

Yes, it is scheduled to be back on track for Monday. But I wouldn't hold my breath :smile:

Me either.

 

[franquerolane]

Does anybody have a theory of what the incinerator was erasing. If it was , why would the defense want it gone?

 

[Dmacky]

Jodi sends her PI on Media Tours???


Dorian Bond on HLN Jane Vaelz Mitchell 10/08/2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCq8Ru0bNGY


Dorian Bond on Nancy Grace 10-21-2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68E3eA_hCc


Dorian Bond November 22, 2014
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...started-private-investigator-dorian-bond-says


"I'm surprised of people across the world that have sent her money," says Bond of Arias' supporters.

Bond could not reveal his current investigations but tells ABC15 there were several issues during the murder trial that could come up.

Another issue Bond says could come up is the large amount of media attention Arias received during the trial.

"She kind of revels in the media attention," Bond admits. Arias lined up media outlets for interviews as the first jury was deciding on her conviction.
But if turning on the media means freedom, Bond says they're prepared to bring up the issues. HUH???

Bond has been raked over the coals on the internet and on social media because of his position helping Arias.

He reminds the public it's just a job and if doesn't do it, someone else will.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...started-private-investigator-dorian-bond-says

 

[MeeBee]

Does anybody have a theory of what the incinerator was erasing. If it was , why would the defense want it gone?

Frame the state?

But we don't know what it was there for or what it deleted if anything. But the presence of such a program in the recycle bin on these copies is suspicious enough.

 

[bsk]

At some point in the hearing, Juan said he had a witness who could prove that BN broke the computer and tried to hide unfavorable evidence of what exactly he did during his "analysis". So far as I can tell - perhaps I missed it - that witness was never called. Could that be because it was no longer necessary, because BN agreed to self-disclose (admit) to the truth of the allegations instead?

Maybe he's saving that should JSS let him testify in front of the jury.

 

[runningwater]

Good morning! I am looking forward to the 3-day trial weekend so I can clear my head of all the malarkey spewed by KN in his closing yesterday. I read everything here and the BK postings.

Juan was very sharp in his closing, IMHO. Nurmi threw everything and Nancy Grace against the wall, venting his personal anger. Juan only responded to one or two, IIRC.

The biggest one, again, :moo:, was to counter the "leaks" by Mrs. Flores (which never saw light of day) he used Ms. Luscious/Liscious ultra- secret twitter account and Kiefer's leaks. IMHO, those make no difference to the judge, except that I'm sure she's very aware of them.

At least Nurmi gave Juan the opportunity to get this on the record.

Do you think they can't stand one a other?
I mean the 3 must see each other frequently.
I don't sense any professional respect
From Nurmi and Willie at all!!!

 

[Nali87]

Frame the state?

But we don't know what it was there for or what it deleted if anything. But the presence of such a program in the recycle bin on these copies is suspicious enough.

That's what I was thinking too. Remember that they're first claim was that the prosecution deleted things in 2009. Since they were the only ones with a working copy of the harddrive (since they broke the original), it's possible they could have deleted things, say the state did it and hide what they did by using the Incinerator).

But again, I don't think professionals would go to such lengths to earn a few bucks. But who knows?

 

[Nali87]

Do you think they can't stand one a other?
I mean the 3 must see each other frequently.
I don't sense any professional respect
From Nurmi and Willie at all!!!

They can't stand him. It's so obvious lol. He was rude to Wilmott though. But I can imagine that her dumb questions could make anyone lose it for a bit. LOL.

 

[Dmacky]

So Nurmi means to say that Dr. Samuels was improperly impeached because the absence of computer evidence used to discredit him in the guilt phase has now been determined to have been incorrect? And this is his Brady violation? I'm lost. I thought Dr. Samuels admitted that his work was sloppy and his testimony was based on LOTS of lies, the pedophile lie being only one of them.

I really hope all the computer forensics crap does not come in. If it is not exculpatory evidence, isn't that all appeal stuff too? How does it fit in any of JA's 14 mitigators? Can the DT start their whole appeal schpiel just by making a billion (ok, exaggeration, but seems like it) motions in the middle of the sentencing phase?

IIRC Dr. Samuels answers were based on the Ninja story.

 

[Truth Detector]

Does anybody have a theory of what the incinerator was erasing. If it was , why would the defense want it gone?

A little speculation for ya...

My guess is that the Blue Oyster Cult 'posse' had modified all their copy(ies) of the Compaq Presario's source hard disk drive (HDD). This would also explain the size differences between the original source and what they turned over to the State.

They grabbed any old HDD which was sitting around and gave it to the State in order to buy time. Tony's HDD showing up on Perry's desk was no accident. There is no way they would have overlooked a review of that HDD before turning it over to JM's experts. To do so would have been unthinkable; i.e., sloppy on steroids. E.g., what if that HDD had been part of BN's work product on behalf of CMJA and they just handed it to the prosecutor?

Caught with their pants down when BN was ordered to return the copy of the HDD to the State in precisely the same condition in which he received it, they had to buy time while employing a tool which would permanently delete data without leaving any traces of modification/manipulation. Their impossible dream was to 'reverse engineer' it back to its original state, only they failed in amateur-hour fashion.

That's my explanation for Incinerator 2.3 and I'm stickin' to it.