SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #4

[RAISINISBACK]

That's a very good point! What hand gun holds at least 10 rounds? If a vehicle drove by, turned around and fired as they drove past again, there was no time to reload, so either two shooters or a gun that holds at least 10 rounds (I'm not familiar with guns so have no clue what type of gun holds that many rounds).

Some Glocks can shoot .22 bullets and holds 16 rounds and 1 in the chamber. You can get a bigger clip for most guns these days.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

What if… the truck pulled up behind him as he was leaving Moselle, and he knew he was being followed. So he took an out of the way route to shake them off. Unable to shake them ,they shot his tire out. Then the scenario that’s being reported ensued.

Why then does the truck make a U-turn? That indicates that they are not behind him. And that's what all MSM is reporting he said.

The two vehicles are going in opposite directions. One makes a U-turn (the truck) and as they come back, someone opens fire (there are definitely two men in the truck in all MSM versions - but the number of shooters has not been verified by LE that I know of).

 

[10ofRods]

That's a very good point! What hand gun holds at least 10 rounds? If a vehicle drove by, turned around and fired as they drove past again, there was no time to reload, so either two shooters or a gun that holds at least 10 rounds (I'm not familiar with guns so have no clue what type of gun holds that many rounds).

Nearly all of them (not revolvers - which don't eject casings anyway).

ETA: Even states with heavy regulations on magazine size allow 10 rounds - as in California.

South Carolina has no limit.

Magazine Capacity Restriction in South Carolina.

(Links to SC gun laws).

Magazine Capacity Laws By State 2021

(map of US gun magazine laws).

 

[Rusty123]

What if… the truck pulled up behind him as he was leaving Moselle, and he knew he was being followed. So he took an out of the way route to shake them off. Unable to shake them ,they shot his tire out. Then the scenario that’s being reported ensued.

 

[skyedaze]

Crew cab with four doors? Two shooters, right front and back seats. Just tuning in, so I have no idea if it was a single cab truck. But even at that, if there were three people in the truck, the other two passengers could shoot out the window.

well we just don't know...cuz far as I have heard there has been zero description other than "truck", which is very odd to me.
Guess no one is super concerned...or it's a big secret...or whatever.

 

[Rusty123]

Why then does the truck make a U-turn? That indicates that they are not behind him. And that's what all MSM is reporting he said.

The two vehicles are going in opposite directions. One makes a U-turn (the truck) and as they come back, someone opens fire (there are definitely two men in the truck in all MSM versions - but the number of shooters has not been verified by LE that I know of).

I could be mistaken but I interpreted that the truck drove past him in the same direction that he was going first, then made a Uturn and shot him.

 

[skyedaze]

What if… the truck pulled up behind him as he was leaving Moselle, and he knew he was being followed. So he took an out of the way route to shake them off. Unable to shake them ,they shot his tire out. Then the scenario that’s being reported ensued.

No offense but
no way in h3ll would I pull over to change a tire if someone were to be following me and shooting.

 

[MassGuy]

It wouldn't be that out of the ordinary for LE to maintain anonymity in terms of who in the legal profession has a SC carry permit.

Yes, but I’m saying it would be unusual for law enforcement to be able to keep that detail a secret.

Outlets were aware of who was involved almost right away, as they have sources within local law enforcement.

It follows that they would know if Alex fired or not.

 

[stattlich1]

Or he could have shot them off elsewhere <modsnip>. Many hypotheses available to us.

If some of the rounds are AM's, he ought to then possess the gun when LE arrives, right? And the ballistics can be checked. And that would mean the casings count (for the white truck shooters) is off.

How AM managed to run along the side of the road and the side of his own car, shooting off rounds is beyond me. Why would he do that?

I'm not trying to be contrary, but is the White truck, and spent casing count accurate information?

In terms of your final question, indeed, if someone was to turn around and come back towards him on a back road, he may have been suspicious, and drew his own weapon.

Not sure where the 'run along side of the road' comment originated. He could have been already outside of his vehicle looking out how bad the tire was, trying to decide if it was safe to drive on it or not.

 

[10ofRods]

RSBM. How many television shows and movies have we seen where LE announces a dead victim is still alive in an attempt to get the killer to try to finish the job? Does that ever happen in real life? Has anyone other than Randy, AM’s lawyer and/or LE verified he’s alive, let alone conscious and speaking?

If he is indeed sitting in a hospital bed making and taking phone calls this was either 1) a random shot by a stranger, 2) Planned by someone who’s good at disabling vehicles but a far worse shot than whomever killed Paul and his mother <modsnip>

Buster must be scared witless right now. And if he’s not I wonder why....

ETA: Was there not a hospital closer than Charleston? In my mind Flight for Life indicated life-threatening injury. Yet, he’s not only talking, he’s making multiple phone calls while waiting for help to arrive. The combination is yet another line item on the “well, isn’t that odd?” list IMO.

Who else would you expect to verify it? The hospital also says he's alive and well. Surely there's not a giant conspiracy involving doctors, ER's, hospitals, LE, MSM and SM?

Wasn't he on the phone to both his brother and to 911? And EMT arrives to find him still talking? LE takes a statement? He's pronounced conscious at the hospital, and said to be speaking?

 

[MassGuy]

What if… the truck pulled up behind him as he was leaving Moselle, and he knew he was being followed. So he took an out of the way route to shake them off. Unable to shake them ,they shot his tire out. Then the scenario that’s being reported ensued.

I’d expect a 911 call in that case, and I definitely wouldn’t expect him to have attempted to change a tire during that.

 

[stattlich1]

Yes, but I’m saying it would be unusual for law enforcement to be able to keep that detail a secret.

Outlets were aware of who was involved almost right away, as they have sources within local law enforcement.

It follows that they would know if Alex fired or not.

All speculation my friend. I have associations with local court folk, and local LE. With the state of things in that field, the rule of thumb is to always carry, tell no one.

It's apparent SLED is extremely tight lipped in this entire case, and stands to reason they would keep this little detail quiet.

 

[MemPat]

It’s been mentioned on national news today that the feds need to get involved at this point due to “the mystery” surrounding the family and their ties to LE. Citing that the housekeeper accident, the boat accident, SS death, double homicide and now this that it’s time for the Feds attention.

Great, then we'll get Lindsey Graham pontificating on it! Heaven help us!

 

[10ofRods]

I'm not trying to be contrary, but is the White truck, and spent casing count accurate information?

In terms of your final question, indeed, if someone was to turn around and come back towards him on a back road, he may have been suspicious, and drew his own weapon.

Not sure where the 'run along side of the road' comment originated. He could have been already outside of his vehicle looking out how bad the tire was, trying to decide if it was safe to drive on it or not.

You can see the casing markers in the MSM feed out of SC.

Perhaps every MSM report is wrong, though, in which case, we have nothing to discuss. Sure, he could have drawn his own weapon and run at a very even pace along the road behind his own vehicle, swerving out into the road and continuing to shoot as he ran parallel to his own car.

In which case - where is the evidence that anyone else was shooting?

 

[10ofRods]

All speculation my friend. I have associations with local court folk, and local LE. With the state of things in that field, the rule of thumb is to always carry, tell no one.

It's apparent SLED is extremely tight lipped in this entire case, and stands to reason they would keep this little detail quiet.

This must be region-specific.

 

[pizzaman12]

What if… the truck pulled up behind him as he was leaving Moselle, and he knew he was being followed. So he took an out of the way route to shake them off. Unable to shake them ,they shot his tire out. Then the scenario that’s being reported ensued.

Why state he pulled over to change a flat tire vs. saying I was being chased?

 

[10ofRods]

Why state he pulled over to change a flat tire vs. saying I was being chased?

It's so weird that in this case, LE says the victim gave them info. We usually do not question the victim's immediate impressions.

So, the facts appear that he was going in a certain direction, a truck (white) passes him, pulls a U, comes up behind and around him, starts shooting. Two men in the truck (a few early versions say car, but "white truck" is what LE apparently told reporters).

He is about 10 minutes from home? Several local news stations independently are using maps to calculate that. We can see the evidence markers in some of their video.

 

[BeckyF]

No, it's pronounced Alec.

ok

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Some video here with evidence collection and markers around the vehicle starting around the :24 mark

I live in a rural area with lots of highways with no shoulders and grass waist high in the ditches so I have seen many cars pulled off road. Check mark :50 for a close up of the back of the car. If you notice the grass behind the car, it is not bowed down. If he did indeed pull off the road because of a flat tire the grass would show evidence of the tire tracks, especially if one was flat. The only spot in the grass that looks disturbed is a small spot in the middle of the markers, as if someone stood there firing a gun. To me it looks like he backed his car up until the back tires were off the pavement thus leaving the high grass behind it undisturbed.
JMO

 

[stattlich1]

This must be region-specific.

To the contrary. It would be quite astonishing if AM, in his position, and knowing his and the families history with firearms, and their associations with local LE, indeed, it would be very surprising if he was not licensed to carry, and armed, in SC.

As to the casings, and their positioning. I've seen the markers in the video's. It would be unusual for a vehicle driving by, with someone shooting out the window, to have the casings land so close to, and grouped together, to AM's vehicle. I guess anything is possible. Maybe they crossed the center line to get real close to him, and then slowed to a snails pace.