Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[Geralyn]

I'm concerned that there are suggestions that the groundskeeper has to be mistaken if what he says doesn't fit with a theory that Terri or an accomplice moved the truck to the service road.

Reasonable concern. However..until GK statements are clarified..if ever..they really don't necessarily conflict with TH having truck on access road. IF he left at 8:30..there was still time to move the truck. We still don't know if he finished mowing at 8:30 or actually left the premises at that time.

 

[human]

But hasn't it been established that (at least by herself) she couldn't' have left the school at 9am, made it to the first FM, got baby out of carseat..looked for medicine that wasn't available..bought whatever..and check out...all within 12 minutes? (when she says check out receipt is clocked for?). So even tho her email says 9am...I think she was either lying or rounding up to that source.

Why is she doing that when she said that she had left Kyron at 8:45 in the hall on his way to the classroom? Why is she rounding up to 9:00 AM and her other times are in precise minutes?

 

[human]

What might make a difference here is if the school bell rang. Now I'm fairly new and trying to step cautiously...what I'm about to ask is based on hearsay. But I'm only asking not stating, lol (hope that makes it alright?) ANyhow...didn't the bell ring at 8:45 for the students to head to class? If so...and thats when she sent him down the hall toward his class..she'd remember that. If not...I have to wonder..why didn't she wait for the bell to ring? Why send him early? Does anyone know *officially* when the bell rang?

I do not have the link, but somewhere there is one that said the warning bell rang at 8:35 and the final bell at 8:45.

I tried to access the Portland schools website for bell times, but I was unable to figure out how to get into there.

Maybe someone can.

 

[cypress]

Why is she doing that when she said that she had left Kyron at 8:45 in the hall on his way to the classroom? Why is she rounding up to 9:00 AM and her other times are in precise minutes?

By the time she wrote her e-mail, she'd been questioned at least four times by LE. It stands to reason that she produced the receipt at that time, and so she knew the exact time in minutes. When questioned, she could've said she left the school around 9:00. She wouldn't have known the exact time because there's nothing like a receipt to verify it. In the e-mail, she could've simply rounded; IMHO, the reason she is aware of what time she was at FM's is because of the receipt.

 

[Geralyn]

I do not have the link, but somewhere there is one that said the warning bell rang at 8:35 and the final bell at 8:45.

I tried to access the Portland schools website for bell times, but I was unable to figure out how to get into there.

Maybe someone can.

Ah found it
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

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Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools.

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Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

 

[BeanE]

First we heard that Terri left Kyron walking down the hall at Skyline at 8:45.

Then in her email she says she left at 9 am. So which is it?

If it was 8:45, what was she doing for 15 mins at the school?

I'd imagine she gave her best estimate of the time (9:00) without having looked at her watch or a clock, and then as LE tried to confirm the time, they asked her how close it was to a school bell ringing, and she recalled it was just when the 8:45 bell rang. Which makes sense. That would be the time to leave, as the children went to their classrooms at final bell.

 

[Geralyn]

Now in light of the above that I just posted about the bell ringing...how could someone mistake leaving at 9? Why round up..as another poster asked..yet be so precise about the reciept time, the times clocking into and out of the gym, arriving home, etc?

 

[BeanE]

I do not have the link, but somewhere there is one that said the warning bell rang at 8:35 and the final bell at 8:45.

I tried to access the Portland schools website for bell times, but I was unable to figure out how to get into there.

Maybe someone can.

Some bell info in this article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

 

[liz b.]

I doubt that Kyron was in his classroom at 8:45. There was an unidentified witness,described as a "source from the school " who reorted seeing Kyron at around 9 : 00 a.m. by his classroom. LE never did retract this witness' statement... Also, didn't T. say that he saw Kyron at around 8 :45 or later even than that, when Kyron told T. he was going to look at the " cool electrical project " ?

All JMO

 

[RubyRed]

They are going to be discussing this Groundskeeper on HLN. Right now.

 

[Geralyn]

I doubt that Kyron was in his classroom at 8:45. There was an unidentified witness,described as a "source from the school " who reorted seeing Kyron at around 9 : 00 a.m. by his classroom. LE never did retract this witness' statement... Also, didn't T. say that he saw Kyron at around 8 :45 or later even than that, when Kyron told T. he was going to look at the " cool electrical project " ?

All JMO

Right...so far we really only have TH's word that he headed to class at 8:45. And from the link I posted...its actually TH's mom saying it (presumably quoting TH). However..Matt Shelby does state in that same linked article that a bell would have rung at 8:45. So if Kyron wasn't in his classroom...I mean if he and/or other kids are still being allowed to roam the halls after the bell..that doesn't speak very well of the school at all, imho.

 

[sarx]

So, final bell rings at 8:45 and children that age are still roaming the halls 15 minutes later? Not buying it.

 

[cluciano63]

Still, if she was the one buying things or a thing at 9:12, she must have left before 9:00. So she probably did leave at around 8:45 AM when bell rang, we just don't know if she left alone. Or if the supposed 9:00 sighting was disproven or what happened with that. If Kyron was seen at 9:00, several minutes after that bell rang, he could not have left with Terri, so that is vital. But I am thinking that sighting was no good, since LE insists she was the last person to see him. I just wish they would say that all sightings after 8:45 were ruled out.

 

[debs]

So the bell may have rung, she wandered out to the truck, got the baby into the seat, made it to FM and made her purchase, time stamped receipt showing 9:12, extrapolating that she left the school at 9....add time for all the above after 8:45, guess-timate drive time, etc etc.

 

[liz b.]

Right...so far we really only have TH's word that he headed to class at 8:45. And from the link I posted...its actually TH's mom saying it (presumably quoting TH). However..Matt Shelby does state in that same linked article that a bell would have rung at 8:45. So if Kyron wasn't in his classroom...I mean if he and/or other kids are still being allowed to roam the halls after the bell..that doesn't speak very well of the school at all, imho.

I think it was just somewhat chaotic on that day due to the Science Fair. As I've indicated, I chaperoned quite a few of these events at my children's school ; there were several kids wandering around, and also it was fairly difficult to identify all of the adults who came through. People didn't put on the ID cards,or sign in... Just my experience with Science Fairs...

 

[sarx]

I think it was just somewhat chaotic on that day due to the Science Fair. As I've indicated, I chaperoned quite a few of these events at my children's school ; there were several kids wandering around, and also it was fairly difficult to identify all of the adults who came through. People didn't put on the ID cards,or sign in... Just my experience with Science Fairs...

Yep, agree entirely. It's kinda chaos. Would it be nice to have everyone checked in and fingerprinted? Sure, but it just isn't practical. The fair would be over by the time you got everyone through the line.

 

[Ada]

Posting before reading all of the replies:

I used to mow the grounds for a large corporation on a large mowing tractor. I would completely zone out. It's hypnotic. The drone of the mower, the vibrations, the wind, the carbon monoxide. I would completely lose track of what I was doing. Kind of like when you are on a long road trip and you realize you just drove 10 miles and have no recollection of it.

And I'm saying this as a fence sitter. :crazy:

Yes I'm quoting myself

I wasn't able to look at the pictures when I read the thread yesterday. Today I saw the pics. That little riding mower is nothing at all like the big tractors I drove. I don't expect the same 'zoning out' thing would happen with that little contraption. For one thing, from what I hear, the steering is sensitive, so you have to pay attention. Also there is not a big exhaust pipe blowing carbon monoxide in your face. :crazy:

 

[liz b.]

Yep, agree entirely. It's kinda chaos. Would it be nice to have everyone checked in and fingerprinted? Sure, but it just isn't practical. The fair would be over by the time you got everyone through the line.

My children's school has/had video surveillance cameras, so we didn't have to worry too much.Strangers could easily see the cameras at the front,side and rear of the school. Something we can only wish that Skyline Elementary had....

All JMO

 

[human]

I am sure when the bell for class rang,, the children were in their rooms.

I wish the Skyline parent would come on here and say if there was an 8:35 bell as well.

My school has the 10 minute warning bell, and even the less conscientious children are running for their classrooms when that bell rings.

I have yet to be in an elementary school where the children aren't concerned about being in class on time.

My class started earlier than the other classes and sometimes sibs would be in my classroom doing activities with their sibs. When that warning bell rang, they were out of my room like a shot.

Or they would ask me if it was the first bell or the second bell. It was really cute ; their concern for going to class on time.

This past year I had a job where I did not have a classroom.

I would be in the hall, and children would ask me which bell it was that rang with concern in their eyes. It's probably very different at the high school level.

 

[loves2bmom]

Just reported on KATU that LE met with the groundskeeper today at Skyline to go over his timeline and what he may have seen or not. Looking for a link and I'll add it if I find one.