Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[RubyRed]

Gotta agree.

How many people have testified to the grand jury so far? Far more than we know, and they've testified to far more than we know, too.

Exactly, the people from Starbucks testified at the GJ and we hadn't heard about them.

 

[Cher352]

Read every comment, seems like the wheels were spinning in our heads tonight with this latest news. It was nice to have a actual known source versus all the unknown sources statements wasn't it?

As you can tell by my new avatar I am sort of trapped up on this fence.

 

[eyes4crime]

Personally I haven't had to stretch very much to see guilty stuff happening in this case. My "gazillion" assumptions, as you put it, are coming straight out of the Grand Jury and the facts as we know them so far.

Just my opinion.

Sorry if I didn't make it clear! I am the one who has to make a gazillion assumptions to make Terri into the psychopathic mom. I know others are completely comfortable with the info they have -I'm not. Right now, I have to work really hard - stretch details - again and again, and for me, that's way too much work. All I want is some evidence that will nail whoever did this - if it's Terri, so be it. If it's a pedophile or someone else, what a shame, a great deal of time has gone by!! Moo mho

 

[Leila]

I just posted in the "news" forum :smile:

Well, if he definitely couldn't enter or exit with a truck being there I think that would mean the truck could not have been there right? Is there any other way the truck was able to be parked there, out of the way of the groundskeeper?

Does the groundskeeper drive a truck? Maybe the truck people saw was his?

Did Terri ever say where she parked at the school? Because if she said that she did actually park on that access road... then this would be good news I think?

The picture LE posted showing the white pick-up parked on the access road shows that there's no room for a passing vehicle, so if she was parked there, there would be no way the groundskeeper could have passed her to get out. The only explanation is that she was only parked there briefly........perhaps from 8:30am to 8:45am. Or, someone moved the truck from the parking lot to the access road. Perhaps, the mystery adult that was seen in the white pick-up.

 

[sorrell skye]

Read every comment, seems like the wheels were spinning in our heads tonight with this latest news. It was nice to have a actual known source versus all the unknown sources statements wasn't it?

As you can tell by my new avatar I am sort of trapped up on this fence.

Yes - it was refreshing to have an actual named source (who is also reported to be a credible source) who isn't afraid to make statements on the record!

Woo-hoo for the groundskeeper! :woohoo:

 

[mrsu]

It just makes no sense to me that a random kidnapper would have done this. If that's the case...why are both Terri and DeDe unaccounted for during the same period of time? Why are they not telling their story and all they know? Even if they were up to no good, I think they would fess up in the event they are likely suspects in a missing child case.

IMO, innocent people just don't act this way.

 

[Leila]

He doesn't say when he left. But he's pretty damned sure there was no white truck on that access road.

LE took a gamble and it didn't pay off.

He said he was there mowing between 7:45am and 8:30am. So he was there about 45 minutes. TH could have pulled into that access road after he left at 8:30am.

 

[Susanna]

The picture LE posted showing the white pick-up parked on the access road shows that there's no room for a passing vehicle, so if she was parked there, there would be no way the groundskeeper could have passed her to get out. The only explanation is that she was only parked there briefly........perhaps from 8:30am to 8:45am. Or, someone moved the truck from the parking lot to the access road. Perhaps, the mystery adult that was seen in the white pick-up.

BBM

I was thinking along the same lines. If the Mystery Person was in or near the truck, then moved it to the access road when it seemed all clear, he or she could then call/text TH and say it's time. Or vice versa, TH could call/text the MP to come pick them up. Wouldn't take too long, maybe you could time the patterns of the landscaper's mowing to be there & gone while his back was turned. Or maybe the MP sat waiting for the landscaper to be done & leave, then gave the signal.

Then they hightail it to the FM, run inside w/ Baby K and get the receipt while MP sits in the truck w/ Kyron. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

It just makes no sense to me that a random kidnapper would have done this. If that's the case...why are both Terri and DeDe unaccounted for during the same period of time? Why are they not telling their story and all they know? Even if they were up to no good, I think they would fess up in the event they are likely suspects in a missing child case.

IMO, innocent people just don't act this way.

I agree with you and think Terri probably did do this, in some way, somehow, but so far, nothing I've seen proves it, that's all I've been saying.

 

[GrainneDhu]

But if you are mowing a soccer field would your eyes only mainly be on your work at hand?? Not looking around to see who is or who is not parked where?
This is nuts.

I had a private dog park for six years. It was approximately 5 acres and I got a lot of practise in riding that lawn tractor!

The tractor basically wants to go straight, so I only had to really steer for turns. I wasn't going anywhere near as fast as in a car, so I had plenty of time to look around, watch the swallows (they took advantage of my mowing to catch the bugs that flew up), think, daydream, etc.

Imagine driving around in big circles in a large, empty parking lot at approximately 2-3 mph. Cars are way more sensitive to handle than lawn tractors, so it's not a perfect analogy but it's close. You'd have plenty of time and attention to pay to everything happening around you.

Because I had park subscribers and did not mow on a set schedule, I always kept an eye on the parking lot to make sure no one was coming in with their dog(s). It's dangerous to run a mower around dogs or humans, so if someone came, I'd turn off the tractor and do something else until they were done.

In the case of this particular witness, he did specifically mention watching out for kids approaching the soccer fields (probably for much the same reason I watched out for dog park subscribers).

Just going by my own experience, I'd say he would have been able to do plenty of observing.

 

[human]

bbm

I don't think LE missed this guy. I feel very sure they knew about him right at the start. jmo

I agree. Wasn't there a landscaper that testified at the GJ? Could it have been this person?

 

[Leila]

Starting to see why it was possible that he wasn't talked to before now. If he is NOT a school employee that is there everyday then he may not have been on the list of people to interview. It may have been the media and pictures of the field and reference to that road that brought him forward, since prior to this he really would have had no reason to call and tell them nothing basically (being that he saw nothing).

It does sound like the groundskeeper is an employee of the city of Portland, as he was referred to as a turf-technician with the city of Portland. As such, he's probably not an employee of the school district. His job title suggests he mows the lawns at all city-owned property. So, if he's not an employee of the school, the school staff may not have a definite schedule for when the soccer field is mowed - only noting that the guy that mows the field is there when they see him mowing.

Kyron was reported missing later in the afternoon when he didn't get off the bus. The Hormans rushed to the school, and 911 was called. If I recall correctly, it was around 3:57pm when LE arrived. By that time, the school staff may have completely forgotten about the soccer field being mowed that day. If the groundskeeper is not a school employee, they would have no reason to keep track of him. Some may not have even known that the soccer field was mowed that day.

So, I can see the groundskeeper being overlooked.

 

[sofia76]

I also don't think the grounds keeper was overlooked. The police only asked for this information YESTERDAY - how did the groundskeeper end up talking to the media? Did he contact them? Did they contact him? Maybe he already talked to the police - maybe even the Grand Jury. I find it hard to believe that in two months, LE didn't come across info about the school yard being mowed and track down the city employee who did it (that can't be difficult!).

 

[Leila]

BBM

I was thinking along the same lines. If the Mystery Person was in or near the truck, then moved it to the access road when it seemed all clear, he or she could then call/text TH and say it's time. Or vice versa, TH could call/text the MP to come pick them up. Wouldn't take too long, maybe you could time the patterns of the landscaper's mowing to be there & gone while his back was turned. Or maybe the MP sat waiting for the landscaper to be done & leave, then gave the signal.

Then they hightail it to the FM, run inside w/ Baby K and get the receipt while MP sits in the truck w/ Kyron. JMO

That's a logical scenario. The mystery person in the truck could have been watching the guy mow the soccer field and kept TH appraised of what was going on.......perhaps telling her to delay a little longer, he's still there, and then later telling her he's done but putting his equipment back on the trailer. Then still later, telling her the mower guy is gone and the coast is clear.

I did note that in the press conference yesterday, LE showed the white pick-up in two different locations...........first parked on the shoulder of the main road - Skyline, and then on the access road. So maybe witnesses reported it in these two locations because it was moved.

 

[Codger]

It does sound like the groundskeeper is an employee of the city of Portland, as he was referred to as a turf-technician with the city of Portland. As such, he's probably not an employee of the school district. His job title suggests he mows the lawns at all city-owned property. So, if he's not an employee of the school, the school staff may not have a definite schedule for when the soccer field is mowed - only noting that the guy that mows the field is there when they see him mowing.

Kyron was reported missing later in the afternoon when he didn't get off the bus. The Hormans rushed to the school, and 911 was called. If I recall correctly, it was around 3:57pm when LE arrived. By that time, the school staff may have completely forgotten about the soccer field being mowed that day. If the groundskeeper is not a school employee, they would have no reason to keep track of him. Some may not have even known that the soccer field was mowed that day.

So, I can see the groundskeeper being overlooked.

BBM - It's just my opinion, but as an Elementary School wouldn't they have a responsibility to keep track of everyone on school property that might come in contact with any student?

This point troubles me. No attendance until 10am, open doors for 1 or 2 hours, no visitor sign in sheet, no mandatory call home procedures, I just don't get it. Most schools, even small ones, changed those policies in the past 15 yrs? They may not have high tech security, but they surely have sign in logs, etc. For all I know everyone did sign in that day and LE has that list, but it sure hasn't sounded that way from the media reports.

The timeline from all that we don't know can be picked apart to leave large gaps of time and really we don't know when Kyron actually left the school property. For example... he could have been picked up near the access road / back exit any time from 8:45- when? 10am? later? we don't know that he was gone by 10am, just that he wasn't in his classroom.

I'm still very unclear on who was where at any given moment. I think LE did talk to GK at the start, I think now GK is repeating to the media. I think his account was filed, since it falls in the middle of the time window, helps to plot a timeline, but does not rule out the scenario of the white truck in multiple locations before & after he mowed. :twocents:

 

[mauirain]

I also don't think the grounds keeper was overlooked. The police only asked for this information YESTERDAY - how did the groundskeeper end up talking to the media? Did he contact them? Did they contact him? Maybe he already talked to the police - maybe even the Grand Jury. I find it hard to believe that in two months, LE didn't come across info about the school yard being mowed and track down the city employee who did it (that can't be difficult!).

bbm

Yeah, and the interview was filmed at Skyline??? I was just thinking...wow, just so happends that MCSO gives the PC and the next day, media has interview at the school with the groundskeeper....would be interesting to hear how that happened...did he call media....or did he call LE and media got wind of it?????

 

[Calliope]

bbm

Yeah, and the interview was filmed at Skyline??? I was just thinking...wow, just so happends that MCSO gives the PC and the next day, media has interview at the school with the groundskeeper....would be interesting to hear how that happened...did he call media....or did he call LE and media got wind of it?????

Or maybe it was leaked to the media

I'm actually shocked they reported something in Terri's favor. Even if only a little bit.

Wonder if the media is getting wind that the DA may not have a case ?

 

[Calliope]

Ah, what the heck. I'll toss this out there.

Houze has done his own investigating, and already knew of the groundskeeper and had interviewed him as to what he saw that day.

*Houze sitting back, watching their every move.*

When DA comes out with this blunder, Houze pounces. Asks groundskeeper if he'd mind telling media what he knew.

LE, red-faced, reinterviews groundskeeper and reluctantly tells reporter that yes, he is credible.

Air is blue at DA and MSCO offices.

JMO, of course.

 

[mauirain]

Ah, what the heck. I'll toss this out there.

Houze has done his own investigating, and already knew of the groundskeeper and had interviewed him as to what he saw that day.

*Houze sitting back, watching their every move.*

When DA comes out with this blunder, Houze pounces. Asks groundskeeper if he'd mind telling media what he knew.

LE, red-faced, reinterviews groundskeeper and reluctantly tells reporter that yes, he is credible.

Air is blue at DA and MSCO offices.

JMO, of course.

If that is the case, I am embarrassed for them. I mean really???? I am hoping so badly that isn't the case. I don't mean the Houze theory, I just mean LE putting together this whole PC about the truck...only to have it be a groundskeeper that they should have already been aware of. What bothers me about this is if it is a mistake on LE part....there goes any faith the public has in them as far as how they are handling the case......

 

[CarmelEyesD]

If I were to lift and carry 80 pounds or so of weight, I would struggle and have some degree of difficulty with it. My son, however, who weighs 210 and is 6 ft tall, would have no problem. If Kyron was unconscious or not 'breathing' a man could far more easily lift and carry his weight-in a tote or a suitcase. If alive and walking, I feel Kyron was a happy little chatterbox who would have called out or spoken to anyone he passed in the halls. Walking with Terri, they more than likely would have been noticed. id she sent him out a different door, he probably would have passed a few of his friends and told them where/when he was going. And I still think 'that cool electric exhibit' played SOME part in his disappearance. JMO