Surprises and Bombshells at trial yet unknown?

when a child goes missing the first people to be interviewed are the child's family. surely knowing the identity of caylee's father would have been vital to LE and something they would have truely strived to discover.

ETA sorry, i went a bit OT.
 
when a child goes missing the first people to be interviewed are the child's family. surely knowing the identity of caylee's father would have been vital to LE and something they would have truely strived to discover.

ETA sorry, i went a bit OT.

I agree. The paternity of Caylee is highly germaine to the case regardless of if Caylee was found alive or dead. As this was initially investigated as a kidnapping, LE would have been highly interested in who Caylee's bio dad was as well as who his family was and if they had a motive for taking Caylee. LE would definitely have investigated them and attempted to rule them out. Even after finding that Caylee was deceased and murdered, these people would still be of interest to LE because LE would want to rule out that they had taken and killed the child. The fact that the Anthony's had Casey execute a will which in case of Casey's untimely demise, gave George and Cindy custody of Caylee was peculiar and looks like some kind of attempted pre-emption of the bio dad's rights. Under the law, no matter his involvement with Caylee, if Casey had died, the bio dad would ALWAYS have the right to Caylee unless he had legally filed a termination of parental rights - which has not happened. In addition, in case of the bio dad being deceased, the bio dad's parents would also have had the right to claim Caylee.
 
Ok, but now that gets us back at square one. The topic of this thread is "Surprises and bombshells at trial yet unknown"...if this case is going to be tried on just what has been released, she's going to walk on the murder charge.

What gives? how was the State able to indict her on those charges, alledging premeditation on what we've seen? doesn't make sense.

:confused:

by the way, Chilly, I just re-read my post, and I was in no way insinuating that you were off topic...hope it didn't come off like that ;)

:blowkiss:

There are still lots of stuff that hasn't been released yet. The scientific reports, etc. The stuff that has to be analyzed, etc. So far, it's mainly the interviews, list of stuff, etc. I would think that those working the case, seen the stuff that is being analyzed. Which would give them more info in their heads, then they have on record.

JB has been demanding such reports.. LE says they haven't received them back from the FBI labs yet. And they state that LE doesn't have any control of the 'when' they will be working/ done with the evidence sent to the FBI labs.
 
I really think we'll find out who fathered little Caylee. LE was interested enough to run paternity on Lee-- substantiate Jesse's report etc. right?

I think it may go to motive, as well as provide a mighty fine example of the conspiracy of lies this family is capable of perpetrating.

Plus, in my gut, I think he's close by...moo
 
There are still lots of stuff that hasn't been released yet. The scientific reports, etc. The stuff that has to be analyzed, etc. So far, it's mainly the interviews, list of stuff, etc. I would think that those working the case, seen the stuff that is being analyzed. Which would give them more info in their heads, then they have on record.

JB has been demanding such reports.. LE says they haven't received them back from the FBI labs yet. And they state that LE doesn't have any control of the 'when' they will be working/ done with the evidence sent to the FBI labs.

Oh trust me, I've long been a "we haven't seen anything yet" supporter, but AZLaywer totally made me second guess that...Now I'm starting to wonder if a lot of this case will be tried on the testimony of experts rather than the reports of experts. That seems to be the loophole around the Sunshine Laws. Can't release what you don't have on paper.
 
I really think we'll find out who fathered little Caylee. LE was interested enough to run paternity on Lee-- substantiate Jesse's report etc. right?

I think we'll find out too, and you've made great points. :)
 
Ok, but now that gets us back at square one. The topic of this thread is "Surprises and bombshells at trial yet unknown"...if this case is going to be tried on just what has been released, she's going to walk on the murder charge.

What gives? how was the State able to indict her on those charges, alledging premeditation on what we've seen? doesn't make sense.

:confused:

by the way, Chilly, I just re-read my post, and I was in no way insinuating that you were off topic...hope it didn't come off like that ;)

:blowkiss:

bold: No worries, Sarah, I didn't get that impression at all.

I think there is plenty of evidence to convict Casey of murder in some degree. I'm not sure about the premeditation yet, but hopefully we'll see that build as more docs are released.
 
I still don't see any way that the father's name is relevant to the case against Casey....unless there are doubts that she is guilty or that she acted alone. :waitasec:
 
I still don't see any way that the father's name is relevant to the case against Casey....unless there are doubts that she is guilty and that she acted alone. :waitasec:

I'm agree with you Chilly. If this person was in any way involved with the death of Caylee,the Anthony family would be screaming his name on rooftops. They may want to protect their immediate family,but no way would they be protecting anyone else. Not even Caylees' father.I don't think he's involved,so know need to know who he is,but why they are so fiercely keeping him a secret is puzzling.
 
Reading through old interviews - came across the GA from 7/24 - lo and behold, this is what JA and YM state:

(page 8, lines 10-19)

JA: in Fl we have a very uhm...
YM: Liberal.
JA: liberal public records law, ok? We have to release certain things, ok?
GA: I understand.
JA: And well the things we can hold back we hold back. I mean if you noticed a lot of the stuff that came out came out with him on the witness stand. We didn't run it out in front of the TV cameras and say the car smelled like , uh, you know, like there's a dead body in it. We have never run out and said that stuff. It happened in court.

Interesting...
 
Faefrost, I am thinking that those texts would still be available SOMEHOW.

I wonder though why LE went through the trouble gathering all the phones and extracting the info from each phone individually when they could have gone directly to the Telecom source?

To tie the two together? To show that while the Telco is an authoritative source of info that it was from that physical phone since there are similarities?
 
hmmmmm. i was thinking about text messages ( i dont know why but i was )

the thing about text messages is, oh sure KC may have ( although she is so stupid about so many other things) who knows but let me get to the point
she may have deleted any text messages sent from her phone(s)

but perhaps just maybe people that she sent the text messages to MAY have just kept them whether intentionally or not and the messeges are still on their phones..

yep, i think its a possibility:pcguru:
 
That's a good point. I do remember reading one of her IM messages about a song she put on myspace, and the person she was talking to asked, "Who's that for?" So there is at least one instance of her using a song to send a message.
Also, many of the icons in her photobucket account contained song lyrics. Some of them are pretty dark. I wonder if she sought them out for the lyrics they contained, or just liked them when she happened upon them.
This is what is so interesting...that Casey presents herself constantly smiling that huge smile..but not only does the photobucket account show this very dark side, the music does too..AND I just noticed in one of the photos of her closet a big volume of Edgar Allan Poe. She didn't have many books in that closet...and Edgar Allan Poe is her choice?? Again, it points to her very dark side.

One bombshell may well be that KC became fascinated by dark subjects and immersed herself in deviance in an effort to "emancipate" herself from her over -the-top controlling parents.
 
I am taking this from this thread because this would be a bombshell:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3492318#post3492318
Post #36
Today, 05:15 PM
Amil

Originally Posted by Vegas Bride View Post
I think it will be Tony L. because the jury is likely to see some interesting things in how Casey acts when he's up on the stand. Imo she is likely to do something then because in her mind that is her boyfriend up there and she's going to still be wanting his attention. Also, she spent so much time with him after Caylee was gone, he will be able to tell a lot about what she was doing then, cooking, cleaning, partying, hmmm wonder how that fits in with her doing the search for her baby?

VB

AMIL'S answer: (sorry I didn't know how else to go get these post)

I believe at this point in the trial Casey will crack. She will display uncontrolled anger and have a tantrum reflecting her immaturity. The jury will see it unfold here.

I would love to watch this.
 
I'm agree with you Chilly. If this person was in any way involved with the death of Caylee,the Anthony family would be screaming his name on rooftops. They may want to protect their immediate family,but no way would they be protecting anyone else. Not even Caylees' father.I don't think he's involved,so know need to know who he is,but why they are so fiercely keeping him a secret is puzzling.

I agree Caylee's father's name does little for the State's case, it's only of use to the defense. A possible solution to this puzzle goes to the topic of potential "bombshells".

My legal entanglements have only been civil, but if criminal cases are anything like civil-- discovery is reciprocal. I believe the discovery time-line is a bit later for defense, so that they can respond to the State's evidence and depose the State's witnesses etc.

If I've learned anything about responding to discovery: it's that you don't have to provide discovery for things you don't know, that the opposing side doesn't ask for, or can be argued is an undue burden to you. But if you can argue that you just recently uncovered this information you can, with the judges permission, get it into the trial later in the time-line. This favors a strategy on both sides to delay the finding that you really "know" something until closer to trial, to limit the amount of time that the opposing side has to prepare a counter-strategy.

In this case it seems in the defense's interest not to "know for certain" Caylee's father until later in discovery, to give them build time for that bus they'll throw him under. And of course, less time for the State to kick the tires on that "bus" for shoddy workmanship. Public opinion of Casey's love-life is pretty low anyway, so there's a plausible argument that Casey doesn't know who the father was, or going way way out on that limb, they could argue they didn't trust her to tell them the truth on the subject. Thereby providing cover for a potential future "bombshell". The same can be said on the State's side for "bombshells" from reports on forensic evidence. CSI on TV notwithstanding, they can argue that good and complete forensic analysis and reporting takes significant amounts of time.

It's not exactly Perry Mason, but IIRC Perry was a defense attorney, and not a State Attorney. Maybe I watch too much TV, but it seems judges tend to favor "bombshells" for the defense and less so for the prosecution.

There's a bit less "Sunshine" of this sort in CA, but it sure seemed to me that Mark Fuhrman's recordings of racial epithets were a late discovery in the original OJ trial. Whether this was reality or not, it sure sounded like a surprise bombshell to me.
 
I think that there will be alot more released before/at trial. Most important in my mind: Caseys fingerprints will be on the duct tape. CANNOT WAIT.

I also agree that Caylee's parentage matters - if you don't agree just ask someone you know who doesn't know who their father is. The fact that the Anthony's didn't seem concerned: denial, shame, embarassment - - - geez, Casey told CA she never even had sex (which the rest of the world knows gets you preggers). Deny, Deny, Deny and maybe it'll all RIGHT ITSELF.

Too much work to work at fixin' it. Just let it ride and walk the walk. It's all good in Anthonywood.
 
Did we get any info back on fingerprints on the plastic bag? And is it likely that fingerprints could be found on the plastic bag even though there were none on the duct tape?
 
I might be crazy for thinking this, and I didn't read through all the other threads, but I think she confessed or partially confessed to someone. Maybe when she was out on bail. I think she has a hard time keeping her mouth shut and trusted in someone, maybe Lee, Amy, Tony, I can't say. But the silence of Amy is really making me wonder what she has to say.
 
Who's Andy F?

Not really totally sure, but Casey had a lot of contact with him in the last days before she was arrested the first time. Supposedly he was a 'friend' of hers. But I don't know much else.

That's why I wish we had those texts.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

:ashamed0005:

Sundance
 
Did we get any info back on fingerprints on the plastic bag? And is it likely that fingerprints could be found on the plastic bag even though there were none on the duct tape?

Bumping this up. Also did reports come back regarding any DNA on the tape besides fingerprints? I remember reading none were found so I'm PRAYING there's forensic evidence that links her to the crime scene/body.
 

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