Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #3

[enelram]

Anything about the boy in serious condition at the presser? I'm most anxious to hear about him!

Me too. I'm thinking this has to be one of the little, really skinny ones. A couple of them were really tiny and super thin. they were
sometimes towards back in photos. didn't look 10 yrs. old, more like 6 or 7.
So hope he has no permanent damage.

 

[Betty P]

It changed from last night and they can't walk out after chamber 3?

Looking at the graph, it might be possible for the adults to walk and keep their heads above water, but not the kids. They probably still need oxygen apparatus just in case. Looks like there are two more steep water "dips" before they get to the dry area.

 

[JanetElaine]

Not sign a release for a specific excursion, which is a dangerous cave trip? Yep, that would have gone over really well in the US. Just because you are fine with letting your kid to train for a soccer game, doesn't mean you are fine with your kid going on a dangerous trip underground.

But they're not in the US, and not all countries require parents to sign a stack of papers before their kids can do anything. I don't now how it is in Thailand, do you (or anyone)? ( Not being facetious, genuine question). Where I'm at currently, I haven't signed release forms for anything and the kidlet has been to trampoline parks, amusement parks, soccer/handball/field hockey with real sticks, outings with school like amusement park, sports day, riding public transport bus to a museum, etc etc. You just get a note "we're going to xyz at date 123, make sure they bring lunch/rain gear/hiking shoes". That's it.

 

[beatrixpotter]

There seems like a lot of emotional attachment to someone we don't even know. It's one thing to say you don't want the coach jailed and another thing to call him a hero. Salvaging a bad situation you put kids in does not make someone a hero.

Going in a cave that floods just days before monsoon season is not smart. Any adult knows the rainclouds don't read signs. The video they said they have shows it was raining and wet BEFORE they went into the cave! One of the kids girlfriend was upset with him because she didn't want him to go. Was a 14 yo girl just so much smarter than a 25 yo soccer coach??

I don't want to see the man hurt, jailed or killed. But I find it annoying to call him a hero and pretend he didn't make any seriously stupid decisions that have left one person dead and the farms of many others flooded with crops destroyed that their livelihood depends on.

An accident to me would be taking the kids on a tour bus not knowing a car might hit them. But going in a cave that floods only days before the posted warning and while it was wet out and raining does NOT equal a total accident. It equals gambling with lives and poor judgment. No it was not totally foreseeable. But it sure as heck wasn't unforeseeable that dangerous conditions wouldn't just hold off magically for a couple of days.

 

[Betty P]

Oh no! You mean if they had more air tanks, they'd still be coming out ...and they'd be done in 10 hours!
I'm both so happy and so frustrated!
My stomach can't take any more! Even my knees are shaking now - lol! They really are!

No, I think it's a combination of oxygen resupply and the need for divers and kids to rest. When people are exhausted, accidents happen. Better to be safe and give everyone a rest.

 

[Gardenista]

Looking at the graph, it might be possible for the adults to walk and keep their heads above water, but not the kids. They probably still need oxygen apparatus just in case. Looks like there are two more steep water "dips" before they get to the dry area.

During the press conference, the main guy in charge said the kids could walk out after chamber 3.

 

[Spellbound]

Thanks for that! I've been looking for a graph like it. It does clearly explain that if they are all in chamber 3 they still have a way to go and can't just walk out. I'd been wondering why the delay if it was just a walk (like everyone here). Thanks Spellz!

You're welcome! it looks like two more small passes through water and they will be done with diving. So close, yet still so far away.... glad they aren't rushing or taking unnecessary changes, but I am not the mist patient waiter.

 

[jjenny]

But they're not in the US, and not all countries require parents to sign a stack of papers before their kids can do anything. I don't now how it is in Thailand, do you (or anyone)? Where I'm at currently, I haven't signed release forms for anything and the kidlet has been to trampoline parks, amusement parks, soccer/handball/field hockey with real sticks, outings with school like amusement park, sports day, riding public transport bus to a museum, etc etc. You just get a note "we're going to xyz at date 123, make sure they bring lunch/rain gear/hiking shoes". That's it.

I have no idea what rules in Thailand are regarding this. I have never stated otherwise. Which is why I said that here in the US this wouldn't have gone over well, if somebody took kids on a dangerous trip and parents had no clue.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Give them a break, they're not robots.

 

[Amonet]

It changed from last night and they can't walk out after chamber 3?

I think there are two different places being referred to as Chamber 3. One is before the fork, and one is after the fork. And we don't know for sure they're all in chamber three as we were told 7 were in chamber three with 6 out, and then the official confirmation is only of 4 out.

 

[enelram]

Oh no! You mean if they had more air tanks, they'd still be coming out ...and they'd be done in 10 hours!
I'm both so happy and so frustrated!
My stomach can't take any more! Even my knees are shaking now - lol! They really are!

Don't believe this official. If they truly had 90 divers involved, they'd all be out. BS. Thai officials are a little bit embarassed
that it took 'foreign expert divers' to pull this off. They live in
a country full of caves and 'their thai Seals could not do this.
None of the Thai divers were experience in cave diving.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

But we have never seen published, is If the parents did a release that they allow their children to go two Miles into a cave. That, is my question and what I am thinking never happened.

If someone took my child, without my permission, into a cave like that, and this happened, I would be all over this as a parent.

Charges yes, mitigating are that it was not foreseeable as to the flooding. But still, taking my child into such a dangerous place without my permission, I would have very much a problem with that. And I am not a litigious person.

From what I have read, I don't think many parents in that group gave permission to go to that place as a field trip.

Thank you for mentioning this. I, too, have wondered about the "back story" in this situation and have not found anything indicating how the boys and their coach ended up in the cave. I did see somewhere that it was in "initiation ritual" of some sort. Does that mean that this activity is common for young football players? Who authorized the field trip, or whatever the expedition was called? Has the coach (or other coaches) done something like this previously? Were the parents informed beforehand that their youngsters might be going into one of these treacherous caves? Did the parents sign off on this "field trip" knowing the possible safety issues? Do the parents have any recourse against the coach or whoever sponsors the football team?

Someone's got a lot of explaining to do, but I'm not quite sure who is or can be held responsible for the poor judgement exercised in these near-tragic circumstances.

 

[creepcrusher]

During the press conference, the main guy in charge said the kids could walk out after chamber 3.

I'm wondering if there was miscommunication about where the rest of them are. Is there possibly another spot between where they were and chamber 3 where they can rest?

 

[JanetElaine]

No, I think it's a combination of oxygen resupply and the need for divers and kids to rest. When people are exhausted, accidents happen. Better to be safe and give everyone a rest.

It would also make extra sense that they got the weaker ones out there first. The boys that are the strongest are likely in better shape to spend another night in the caves than they were. As much as I want to see them all out and know they'll all be alright, I'm sure they have everything they need for another night (hypothermic blankets, food) and although far from ideal, some rest will do some good too hopefully...

 

[*Verdigris]

On CNN (TV) they just said all 12 rescue divers have returned and will commence tomorrow. Sorry if already posted. Am behind!

...then I guess that means I'll get some sleep afterall.
Ooohhh... it'll be like waking up on Christmas morning!
Although I know I won't really sleep.

 

[Spellbound]

Wonder if this could change any plans:

ABC News Live Video
10:37
Posted at10:37
Rescue efforts have been paused overnight to allow divers to prepare for the next mission.

However, the rain that had Thai authorities so worried appears to have arrived.

The Australian newspaper's South-East Asia correspondent Amanda Hodge tweeted: ....

 

[Seattle1]

Bangkok - Sunday 9:48pm
BST: +6 hours
PST: Today +14 hours

 

[Gardenista]

I'm wondering if there was miscommunication about where the rest of them are. Is there possibly another spot between where they were and chamber 3 where they can rest?

Last I heard is the remaining boys and coach have not moved from their original position.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think 8a.m. local is 1a.m. BST/8 p.m. EST so in about 9 hours it should resume.

 

[Gardenista]

Verified account 5m5 minutes ago
The four boys were on stretchers when they emerged from the cave. They’re now in hospital, some via chopper, some via road ambulance. Rescue mission to resume after masks/gear checked over and tanks replenished #tennews #thamluangcave #thaicaverescue