Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #4

[AzPistonsGirl]

Self delete

 

[Shiressleuth]

Ah how sweet of you! Thank you. But these are not from WS are they?

No from my phone keyboard - second and third page of numbers/symbols .
eg. €£¥₩¡¿<>♡♥%♣♧:-D:'(

 

[enter_a_name]

Saw this and thought you guys might like it

 

[enelram]

 

[Poppyflower]

It is very sad. I don't doubt he's a lovely person. But fatal calamitous errors in judgement frequently have consequences, and this one left one person without their life.

It's just weird for me, I guess....I consider how many posts I've seen here where a mom's boyfriend hurts her child, and people get all up in arms about how she needs all her children removed and whatnot. Someone's even been calling for forced sterilization of long-term drug addicts over on another thread...it's just interesting how some people's errors in judgement can be overlooked easier than others. If, say, the coach was under the influence of marijuana when they entered that cave, would he still be getting the same amount of slack? Rhetorical, just kinda where I'm coming from, I guess.

I'll not belabor my point Back to watching for more news!

Hands all extra tomatoes to @Spellbound.

That sounds like child abuse and the intent was to hurt the child. The coach didn't intend to put these kids at risk like this or wanted them to be hurt. To me, there is a huge difference.

Does anyone know if flooding like this has happened before? I know there are warning signs posted, but curious is this has happened in the past. Tia!

I do understand where you're coming from tho, I find similar things interesting- what upsets one and not another, etc..

 

[Jackeee]

ahhh I need a Vicki Sue Robinson break !!

ALL her stuff not just Turn!!

her voice is just joyous!! fun

Having a disco moment CARIIS? Turn the Beat Around.

 

[Angela_Beckett]

Cave diving is hard in itself, add murky water, no visibility, and carrying a scared, frail little kid.... it’s just heroic.
These divers deserve THE WORLD! (I’d donate a kidney if ever they need it, TBH)

The initial 4 boys rescued were the weakest of the boys and they did not have the physical strength to "pull" themselves forward using the dive line so yes, they were "hugged" by the divers -- also why their rescue took several hours longer than the 2nd group rescued.

 

[Tssiemer]

I’m a terrible human being but I could not have stayed in the cave that long with the kids. I would be thinking it’s an Everyman for himself situation around day 5 or 6.

But I’m a terrible human being.

I would have tried to get out and killed my self.

So to me the coach is a hero.

 

[JanetElaine]

Saw this and thought you guys might like it

Why do these make me cry so much?? God bless these divers, one more day of agonizing waiting (for us) and then hopefully we can say all has ended well...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I’m a terrible human being but I could not have stayed in the cave that long with the kids. I would be thinking it’s an Everyman for himself situation around day 5 or 6.

But I’m a terrible human being.

I would have tried to get out and killed my self.

So to me the coach is a hero.

He knew people would come looking for them, and he reasoned the flooding would make it difficult to get through. He probably went and did a couple of recces to see how bad it was and figured they had to sit it out, hence the rationing of food and light. They might well have heard rescuers shouting, drilling, whatever. I doubt he thought it would take soooo long though!!

But bagsy not going caving with you

 

[Seattle1]

Coach and 4 remaining boys spent their 17th night in the cave...

The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time on Tuesday but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five would be freed by the end of the day.
Eight boys now freed in daring rescues from Thai cave

 

[*Verdigris]

￣
おはようございます!
Ohayogozaimasu! It's going on 07:00 here for me, so that means it's almost 05:00 for our boys. Can't wait for today!

I've just skimmed a page or two a tiny bit, and so many great posts! Such an intelligent, lovely, fun bunch you all are. (As usual!)
It will take me a while to catch up, so in advance here's a blanket "Like" button until I can get to them one by one!

My stomach is already in knots and nervous for ths final extraction.

I think my good friend bloody mary might be keeping me company today!
(Still got my Baileys, too. )
OK, off to catch up.

Hubby also will be very happy, when all the boys are out ...he actually said to me yesterday that he misses me! Three times.
Poor sweet man. He's been doing everything and feeding me.
Yes, I do need to get back to my life -- but just can't seem to do that with these boys in there; and all of those wonderful, incredible people there working, while making their own sacrifices to help.
I just don't feel I can go about my business as usual - and this is a way (pretty much the only way atm) for me to support all of them. I think perhaps a lot of us may feel that way.

 

[enter_a_name]

I've been wondering about how they are extracting them aside from sending each boy with 2 rescue divers. It's possible that they are medicating them before the dive to prevent the boys from freaking out, jerking, and pulling the oxygen line, mask, etc.

Okay, I was able to find this on BBC regarding possible sedation of the boys:

Mr Dennis also said he thought the boys would have been lightly sedated by a doctor who joined them in the chamber, to prevent them from panicking during the journey out.

(Cave rescue paused as eighth boy saved)

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Coach and 4 remaining boys spent their 17th night in the cave...

The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time on Tuesday but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five would be freed by the end of the day.
Eight boys now freed in daring rescues from Thai cave

4pm?! I hope they get on it sooner than that. It's 5am there now.
I really hope they get them ALL out tomorrow.

 

[creepcrusher]

Daniel Sutton on Twitter
“We think that we will do even better for the next mission and we will succeed 100 percent" - Mission Commander Narongsak Osottanakorn, after confirming 8 boys now free from #ThamLuangCave #ThaiCaveRescue #TenNews @tendailyau

 

[jjenny]

That sounds like child abuse and the intent was to hurt the child. The coach didn't intend to put these kids at risk like this or wanted them to be hurt. To me, there is a huge difference.

Does anyone know if flooding like this has happened before? I know there are warning signs posted, but curious is this has happened in the past. Tia!

I do understand where you're coming from tho, I find similar things interesting- what upsets one and not another, etc..

Yes, the cave floods during monsoon season. That's why there is a warning to not enter it starting in July. Granted, they entered it in June but prognosis was for heavy rain, according to NYT article.

 

[flourish]

That sounds like child abuse and the intent was to hurt the child. The coach didn't intend to put these kids at risk like this or wanted them to be hurt. To me, there is a huge difference.

Does anyone know if flooding like this has happened before? I know there are warning signs posted, but curious is this has happened in the past. Tia!

I do understand where you're coming from tho, I find similar things interesting- what upsets one and not another, etc..

Intent does matter, yes. However, even unintentional fatal mistakes have consequences, some natural, some imposed. This has definitely been a learning experience for many.

 

[Spellbound]

I found a new diagram --- at least one I hadn't seen before.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/img/photos/2018/July/1/52b24bb174f9b64abf4eaf3021038a29.jpeg





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Why rescuing the youth soccer team from a Thai cave isn't easy or quick

A complicated cave and situation
Tham Luang cave's entrance area is an impressive sight, and it's completely safe. The cave system itself, however, is a sprawling one, stretching for some 6 miles (10 kilometers), according to the Bangkok Post. The system is filled with narrow passages and large chambers that stretch through the mountain, Doi Nang Non, which borders Thailand and Myanmar.

So, it's very possible to explore these passages and chambers — but the timing matters. The cave's entrance forms the vertical portion of a T-junction intersection. Going left or right leads hikers through some narrow passages, which isn't always an issue. But when monsoon season begins (as it does every June), these narrow passages become flooded. It's believed that the team became stranded after one such storm, and continuing heavy rains have made it impossible to retrace their steps.

"Divers are in dark areas that are not flat and there's mud and rocks everywhere," Interior Minister Anupong Paojinda told the Post prior to a team finding the team. "Therefore, for the [Thai Navy] SEAL team that's there, when they dive, sometimes one tank can only go as far as 30 meters (98 feet) and they have to turn back." That risk has proved to be fatal after a Thai ex-Navy SEAL died on July 5 while returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the coach and boys. Former Sgt. Saman Kunan ran out of oxygen while underwater.

 

[Gardenista]

It is very sad. I don't doubt he's a lovely person. But fatal calamitous errors in judgement frequently have consequences, and this one left one person without their life.

It's just weird for me, I guess....I consider how many posts I've seen here where a mom's boyfriend hurts her child, and people get all up in arms about how she needs all her children removed and whatnot. Someone's even been calling for forced sterilization of long-term drug addicts over on another thread...it's just interesting how some people's errors in judgement can be overlooked easier than others. If, say, the coach was under the influence of marijuana when they entered that cave, would he still be getting the same amount of slack? Rhetorical, just kinda where I'm coming from, I guess.

I'll not belabor my point Back to watching for more news!

Hands all extra tomatoes to @Spellbound.

Maybe that person lost their life because of their own poor judgement? I'm not trying to be mean, but I've been puzzled about this since it happened. How often does a Navy Seal run out of air? Maybe it's common--I need to research it.

 

[jjenny]

No tomatoes here but I think what it boils down to for me is the following facts:

1. They had been in the cave several times before without incident. Why would he suddenly think this could happen?
2. It wasn't officially monsoon season yet. The cave sign clearly says to stay out after July but it was still June. So it's not like he ignored the warning at the front of the cave.
3. The parents and family knew about this trip. It was planned, it wasn't a spur-of-the-moment thing. Some told their kids they couldn't go and those kids stayed behind. The boys brought lunches, snacks and flashlights. The kids also had taken many other adventures together such as swimming in waterfalls, rafting on rivers and cycling over mountains.
4. The coach's past makes him sympathetic, IMO. He lost his parents at about the age of 10 and was raised by the monks. In many ways, I think of him as just another boy himself.
5. The intention. He was trying to teach the kids something good, not intending any harm. It didn't work out the way he planned this time. If this was an American Boyscout leader who got stranded with his troop at an annual trip to the Grand Canyon and they all had to be rescued, would you feel the same about the situation?
6. His reaction when the floods came-- he kept them together, kept them calm, taught them to meditate, taught them to only drink water dripping through the rocks, told them to only use one flashlight at a time, etc. He didn't abandon them or panic them or do anything reckless once they knew they were in danger. He sacrificed his food so the boys could eat a little bit longer.
7. None of the locals who know the coach have said they are upset with him or want him to face charges. Only foreigners have brought up the posiblity of charges. The locals have said the opposite-- and that he has treated the boys like his own children in the past. He created a program for the poorer boys on the team to earn sports equipment if they got good grades in school.

It's easy to look at a situation with hindsight and say someone should have planned better or avoided a danger altogether. Personally, I can't find any blame for the coach under the circumstances as we know them. JMO.

Heavy rained predicted according to NYT article. Cave that is known to be dangerous. What happened was not exactly completely unexpected.
And if that happened in US, parents would have been a lot less understanding, since most people in US no longer allow their children to be "free range."