Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #4

[creepcrusher]

Maybe that person lost their life because of their own poor judgement? I'm not trying to be mean, but I've been puzzled about this since it happened. How often does a Navy Seal run out of air? Maybe it's common--I need to research it.

I had read some speculation that it could've been faulty equipment. The international divers had requested better equipment after he passed away.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe that person lost their life because of their own poor judgement? I'm not trying to be mean, but I've been puzzled about this since it happened. How often does a Navy Seal run out of air? Maybe it's common--I need to research it.

Lets please not blame the hero who lost his life trying to save children that didn't actually have to be there in the cave to begin with. That just really upsets me.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

"COMMUNITY CHOOSES LOVE OVER BLAME" read one of the headlines in response to criticism of the coach.

Worth pondering. If we all thought more like the Thai's do the world might be a slightly nicer place, it's not called the Land of Smiles for nothing! In my opinion he's served his time already and the fact he kept those kids alive and never left them far outweighs the daft mistake he made.

Choose love.

 

[jjenny]

"COMMUNITY CHOOSES LOVE OVER BLAME" read one of the headlines in response to criticism of the coach.

Worth pondering. If we all thought more like the Thai's do the world might be a slightly nicer place, it's not called the Land of Smiles for nothing! In my opinion he's served his time already and the fact he kept those kids alive and never left them far outweighs the daft mistake he made.

Choose love.

Must be a better country, because if it happened in US, I think it's a fair guess there would have been at the very least lawsuits to high heaven.

 

[Gardenista]

I had read some speculation that it could've been faulty equipment. The international divers had requested better equipment after he passed away.

Interesting and would make more sense than him being a cowboy or forgetting to check his gauges.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Must be a better country, because if it happened in US, I think it's a fair guess there would have been at the very least lawsuits to high heaven.

Yes. But that's what America does because it's everyone for themselves, and sadly we in Britain have started getting like that too. We've lost our sense of community in comparison to how they still do things in other (better in many ways) countries.

 

[flourish]

Maybe that person lost their life because of their own poor judgement? I'm not trying to be mean, but I've been puzzled about this since it happened. How often does a Navy Seal run out of air? Maybe it's common--I need to research it.

Oh wow. I'm just...aghast.

No fault given to the coach who carelessly put them in that situation, but perhaps this guy died because he screwed up? Has there been any reports that the poor diver who passed caused his own death? Really?

 

[Gardenista]

Lets please not blame the hero who lost his life trying to save children that didn't actually have to be there in the cave to begin with. That just really upsets me.

No need to get upset--just trying to figure out how one of the best divers on the planet could have died by running out of air. Creepcrusher posted he may have had faulty equipment which is something that hadn't occurred to me.

 

[Gardenista]

Oh wow. I'm just...aghast.

No fault given to the coach who carelessly put them in that situation, but perhaps this guy died because he screwed up? Has there been any reports that the poor diver who passed caused his own death? Really?

LOL, I just like to understand technical things.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

IMO they are all victims and IMO until everyone is out of the cave (and the Monday morning quarterbacking begins in earnest), can we observe some modicum of decency and continue to offer hope and love and help each other understand (ETA: understand the technicalities of the recuse and what it entails) without judgment? No one knows everything at this point.

 

[enelram]

Maybe that person lost their life because of their own poor judgement? I'm not trying to be mean, but I've been puzzled about this since it happened. How often does a Navy Seal run out of air? Maybe it's common--I need to research it.

There's also a chance that he was overcome by a condition similar
to pulmonary edema where fluid in small vessels leaks out to surrounding tissue. This happens to tri-athletes and long distance swimmers and divers. I'll be back with more valid info for you.

 

[flourish]

Must be a better country, because if it happened in US, I think it's a fair guess there would have been at the very least lawsuits to high heaven.

Right?!?!
Yeah, I'm going to be referring back to this conversation next time there's a case where a child dies because of someone's error in judgement and people aren't "choosing love."
Not all lawsuits are frivolous.

For some reason, I'm reminded of those memes people like to post on facebook that say how like "I grew up in the 70s without a car seat or bike helmet or [insert some safety measure here] and I turned out just fine!" Yeah, because the people who died from not being in a car seat or not wearing a bike helmet or whatever aren't here to post their own memes!

Utah recently passed a "free range" child law, and the reactions weren't "oh how nice they're letting kids be kids" it was more like "there's a reason children need to be supervised" and "that's neglectful."

 

[Gardenista]

So cool!!

Verified account 17m17 minutes ago
Just returned from Cave 3. Mini-sub is ready if needed. It is made of rocket parts & named Wild Boar after kids’ soccer team. Leaving here in case it may be useful in the future. Thailand is so beautiful.

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[Poppyflower]

Yes, the cave floods during monsoon season. That's why there is a warning to not enter it starting in July. Granted, they entered it in June but prognosis was for heavy rain, according to NYT article.

Thank you. I didn't know if it was posted bc it COULD happen or if it has happened, yk?

 

[flourish]

LOL, I just like to understand technical things.

Except you didn't post wondering if he had faulty equipment or another technical issue. <modsnip: snark>

 

[Poppyflower]

"COMMUNITY CHOOSES LOVE OVER BLAME" read one of the headlines in response to criticism of the coach.

Worth pondering. If we all thought more like the Thai's do the world might be a slightly nicer place, it's not called the Land of Smiles for nothing! In my opinion he's served his time already and the fact he kept those kids alive and never left them far outweighs the daft mistake he made.

Choose love.

lol, I thought about being in that cave like that with my 12 and 17 year old like he is with the boys and no thanks! It would be time served

 

[enelram]

For Gardenista-
Swimming Induced Pulmonary Edema- SIPE
there was talk Saman was on his second run of the day even though his buddies suggest he take a break. His body may have
been suffering from exertion, along with cold water which can exascerbate the problem - could have been a perfect storm.

Swimming-induced pulmonary edema - Wikipedia

 

[Poppyflower]

So cool!!

Verified account 17m17 minutes ago
Just returned from Cave 3. Mini-sub is ready if needed. It is made of rocket parts & named Wild Boar after kids’ soccer team. Leaving here in case it may be useful in the future. Thailand is so beautiful.

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Love that he named the mini sub "Wild Boar" - so awesome. He must have brought over the mini sub himself.

 

[*Verdigris]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but I've found it has been very handy for visualizing the spaces and challenges of the rescue:
Inside the Thailand Cave: The Obstacles Facing Rescuers
Screen shot of one of the images:
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(if you run up against a paywall on the NYT website you can usually clear your cache of NYT cookies, close your browser and try again...)

That's really very interesting! At first I thought something was wrong with my screen, since the graphic stayed in place, when the text scrolled, then I realised what was going on, lol!

 

[Seattle1]

The Thai way...

"...
The story has hit the community particularly hard because the cave is just 4km (2.5 miles) away from the local neighbourhood, Maesai, where some of the boys went to school. It's a spot popular with day trips and visited by local children. (BBM)

When the news first emerged two weeks ago that the local boys - all members of the same football team, the Wild Boars - and their coach were lost in the vast cave, the village rallied together, donating food and money.

Patcharee prepared sticky rice and deep fried pork - two popular local dishes. In Thai culture, this is a common way of showing care for someone.
'You never imagine someone you know could get trapped'