Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

[bluedivergirl]

Just saw this article, luckily this shouldn't be an issue for these boys because of the shallowness. However, reading the comments gives some insights why this is a concern. If these boys hold their breath with scuba masks and compressed air on it could be fatal, regardless of depth. I think that's likely part of the issue.

10-year-old dies in scuba diving accident in Tooele County | KSL.com




That is AWESOME. That will be a huge help to not have the current against them.

I could have sworn I multi quoted other posts but maybe it was in other threads. Oy.

The boy ~ who IMO was too young to be diving ~ held his breath to the surface. When you are underwater, you are under pressure, much like soda in a glass. The bubbles are in the glass ( in your lungs) and they move to the surface, getting bigger and bigger. You MUST let the bubbles out.

It was a terrible mistake which should not impact the boys. They will not be deep in the water, and their trainers will drill it into them to breathe regularly and naturally.

 

[Spellbound]

They are 50 minutes from getting out??? WTF get them out already!!!

And they will be taking them out one at a time, am I correct? With a two-man crew for each? Will all those divers be with them before they even start, or will they have to keep returning for the next child?

 

[MsFacetious]

The boy ~ who IMO was too young to be diving ~ held his breath to the surface. When you are underwater, you are under pressure, much like soda in a glass. The bubbles are in the glass ( in your lungs) and they move to the surface, getting bigger and bigger. You MUST let the bubbles out.

It was a terrible mistake which should not impact the boys. They will not be deep in the water, and their trainers will drill it into them to breathe regularly and naturally.

Totally agree, just saying this is one of those concerns that makes it dangerous that many people may not know about.

 

[MsFacetious]

And they will be taking them out one at a time, am I correct? With a two-man crew for each? Will all those divers be with them before they even start, or will they have to keep returning for the next child?

Would that many divers fit back there? I didn't get the impression it was quite that large of an area. If it is that would be amazing! They could take them out one after the other and get them all out in 12 hours or so.

 

[*Verdigris]

They are 50 minutes from getting out??? WTF get them out already!!!

I "liked" your post as I so very much understand, and appreciate your emotion!
But, yes, it's not a simple nor easy undertaking.
Fifty minutes it took for divers with decades of experience.
Now were dealing with children who apparently have never been submerged, even in a nice clean pool, or in the ocean.
I kind of think the boys will all actually do well -- however, there may be one or two who may freak...
..anybody here remember "An Officer and a Gentleman" ...?
The pool training scene?

Anyway, the rescuers need to evaluate the boys - and the boys' lives rest upon their yea or nay decision to let them go.
One tiny little malfunction can mean death.
This is truly a harrowing predicament.
jmo ❤︎

 

[Bravo]

News, twitter etc. so very quiet. I wonder if it has begun...….sigh

 

[Jax49]

21:06

"The window to remove the boys before the monsoon rains hit is rapidly closing as monsoon rains are predicted to arrive on Saturday.

Twelve days since a dozen boys and their football coach wandered into a northern Thailand cave, authorities are still fighting the water to get them out.

Hundreds of pumps are gushing water into the surrounding areas in a bid to make the caves safe enough to remove the boys."

bbm

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Hey! They listened to me!

Authorities said they were still exploring other options, such as scouring the mountainside for other ways into the cave and finding faster ways to pump water from the cave.

Thai official says boys may be taken out of cave in stages

 

[*Verdigris]

Divers took more than three hours to reach the ledge where the boys are sheltering on Monday, but moving with the current on their return took about 50 minutes.
Thai cave rescue: boys 'learning to dive' before new storm

Thanks Bravo -- well then - this is good, no? Not against the current.
I think conditions may be he best they're ever gonna be right now, before the rains; but they are still worried about the boys themselves.
Perhaps?

 

[Tssiemer]

Assuming all the boys are equally healthy, who decides who goes first????

My luck, I’d be last and not be able to be rescued and be eaten by a cat fish or something.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks Bravo -- well then - this is good, no? Not against the current.
I think conditions may be he best they're ever gonna be be right now, before the rains; but they are still worried about the boys themselves.
Perhaps?

Yes it does seem Thursday and Friday are there only option. I hope these young men are feeling confident and trust their guides. I think the trek out will be a bit longer with one in front and one behind. Praying for these young men as we all are.

 

[Jax49]

"Thai authorities seem poised to launch a rescue mission, with the boys receiving training in how to breathe through scuba masks. Any evacuation using diving apparatus is fraught with danger and complexity because the group will need guiding through narrow, flooded passages.

Thai navy Seals and other rescue divers have already fixed guide ropes along the passageway, which will be used to guide the group out. It is unlikely the boys will carry their own 12-litre air tanks – they are more likely to be provided with oxygen from a navy diver’s supply."

Thailand cave rescue: where were the boys found and how can they be rescued?

 

[*Verdigris]

Assuming all the boys are equally healthy, who decides who goes first????

My luck, I’d be last and not be able to be rescued and be eaten by a cat fish or something.

LOL Tssmiemer!
I think you and I may be kindred spirits!
。。。

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I just don’t understand what the problem getting these kids out is. I’ve looked at the pictures. I realize they can’t swim. Why can’t they just be led out by scuba? Is it that hard to learn to breathe through a scuba mask? I’ve never done it. I don’t know.

All I know is 10 days in a cave without knowing if I’d be rescued and now days waiting to be rescued I would have gone mad by now.

Some comparisons I've seen...
Having a passenger land an airplane with no training, just some verbal instructions.
Or having a child who has never been near water go white water rafting .

Earlier I posted a CNN video interview of a former SEAL who said straight out that if they dive out there will be deaths.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

And they will be taking them out one at a time, am I correct? With a two-man crew for each? Will all those divers be with them before they even start, or will they have to keep returning for the next child?

I've read they will likely use a relay, passing the boys from one to the next .

 

[WichitaFalls]

The Guardian has live updates at this time.

Thailand cave rescue: time running out to free boys before monsoon hits – live

 

[*Verdigris]

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The fact that the boys got IN THERE by choice, through dark, narrow passage ways, is in and of itself a positive factor. The difference on the way out will be the (sludgy) water and mask/breathing apparatus. At least they already have experienced the blind, enclosed conditions.
I think these boys are game. Hopefully, with the help of the fabulous rescuers, they are viewing this as one big adventure.
And I know each and every one of them will get to tell their grandkids about it.
❤︎

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

There are long distances where there is no headroom, no way to surface if something goes wrong. There is a powerful current that they have to fight. Some places have sharp turns that they have to contort to get through. The water isn't really water, it's mud. They won't be able to see anything, they have to feel their way. There are spots so tight the divers had to remove their tanks. I don't think there's any way for the divers to communicate during the dive, so the rescuers won't be able to give instructions or calm them when they are underwater.

If one of the boys panics at the wrong time, he and the two rescue divers die.

Imagine trying to crawl through the ductwork in your home, blindfolded, with water filling it and a strong current against you. This dive would be worse.

Bumping a couple of my prior posts regarding the difficulty of diving them out.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Could they be put in a closed-unit NASA helmets and suits attached to oxygen and pulled out? There's no scary dive equipment with that option.

 

[1&2&3]

My concern is the strength of these boys. They have been without food and water for days. They must be very weak. Do they have the stamina to do what is necessary in getting out of the cave?

The stress and trauma each has been under mentally has taken a major toll on their bodies. Boys being boys, will anyone speak up to say he can’t do this swim out or is too afraid? While their life depends on it, many non-swimmers are terrified of the water.

The mention of using stretchers sounds like the best and safest way. It would not drain the boys of their strength, carrying those air tanks are heavy and many of these boys are small built plus young, they would feel more comfortable knowing they didn’t have to swim, a foreign concept to them at a crucial time, and they could concentrate on their breathing only. From seeing the map of the inside of the cave on Daily Mail, there are narrow spaces where a diver can not even wear his tank. So at points each boy would have to get off the stretcher, but a few places would be better than the whole trip out.
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Only meant to underline Daily Mail. Couldn’t get underline turned off. iPad has its own mind!