Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

[MsFacetious]

They just need to TRY. I realize every option really sucks. I know that. The longer they wait the worse it gets. Yes, they drain more water. THEN IT RAINS. Unless they have a fool proof way to keep ANY rain from entering the cave, they just need to GO NOW.

 

[creepcrusher]

When I sit back and try to think calmly about this, my gut tells me they know something we don’t. I want to rush and get these kids out, but they MUST know something more that is keeping them from diving the kids out now. Maybe it’s even riskier than we think. Maybe it’s worth them waiting until the absolute last minute. Why would they make this more dangerous for the kids on purpose? There’s got to be a good reason why they are still waiting. The risks must be outweighing the benefits right now.

 

[enelram]

Maybe after consulting with the 'expert divers' officials have
decided to wait for more draining of water. Possibly the divers
have nixed the idea of bringing them out unless the boys can
participate in their rescue and that may entail walking out, not
swimming, not diving.
I'm just trying to figure out the delay at this point.

 

[Bravo]

As much as I spend time in the water I have a healthy respect for it. In MOO if they don't go they will die. If given the option would you sit and wait for a horrible death drowning or at the very least die trying? I shudder to think what those kids will be exposed to in those damp caves even if they get a buy for a few weeks/months.

 

[creepcrusher]

Good news at link
Richard Barrow in Thailand on Twitter
Thai NavySeal posted that the water has been reduced to the point where they can now walk between chamber 2 and 3.

Well they better start walkin!


Now the Facebook translation reads a little differently. But if those pictures are anything to go by this is good.
Thai NavySEAL

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

MOO- Pure Speculation-
If I read between the lines, I'm guessing that the diving instructions did not go as well as hoped. Maybe (?) none of the
boys or coach were able to handle the intro to diving in a calm
and collected manner. Remember NONE of them can swim,
so it's likely they just weren't comfortable doing the necessary
exercises to master the full face mask, being underwater in poor
visibility, etc. this may be why we haven't heard much about
any success at learning this.

I think the idea to teach them even rudimentary diving skills under those conditions was wildly optimistic. Does anyone know if they have even received diving helmets that are small enough? Last report I read was that they were working with the manufacturer, and that was days ago.

It sounds to me like the folks running this made the assumption that everything would go quickly and smoothly and had no backup plans for anything. So... Our pumps are fine, until they're not. The boys can learn to dive, but oops maybe not. We'll use full diving helmets, but looks like they don't come that small. Etc, etc.

The Thais need to ask for help before anyone can do anything. I think they completely underestimated the difficulty involved, thought they could handle the rescue after the cave divers found them, and now they are running out of time.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Someone knock me on the head hard and don't let me come around until they're ALL out safely!!!

I’m with you Amonet. It’s 1:30am here and I have to sleep, if the rest of you could have these boys out by morning that would be fantastic, thank you please.

 

[kkdj]

Good news at link
Richard Barrow in Thailand on Twitter
Thai NavySeal posted that the water has been reduced to the point where they can now walk between chamber 2 and 3.

Well they better start walkin!

I hope they're strong enough.

 

[emmet]

1209 posts now, here; time for a new, good-luck-occasioning, thread.

 

[Hatfield]

Yet what are they breathing all those months if they stay. We have a good friend that just died yesterday. He was simply cleaning out his barn in May. Spring here. Yet wet, damp and chilly. Treated for several months for a lung infection. In and out of hospital several times. Each time rallied. 2 weeks ago sent to our world renowned Hospital In London Ont. Too late. On a respirator and died. Apparently he was inhaling something from rodent etc. type droppings.

So sorry to hear about your friend Bravo.

We have mice in our garage and I worry about that sort of virus when cleaning and sweeping the floor. I try not to breath in any of the dust where I know mice have been.

It sounds like he may have caught a Hantavirus. I read up on that when the outbreak in Yosemite happened in 2012. Link is below. Its a scary and deadly virus infection that lots of people dont really know about it.

Death at Yosemite

So sorry to hear about the bad news about your friend.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If a new thread starts please can those nice schematic diagrams all be posted on the first page so we can find them easily?

 

[Elainera]

Watching another ABC video, the reporter says the current is so strong in places it's ripped the masks off of seasoned Navy Seals divers.

OMG

I noticed in Thursday's coverage authorities abandoned their earlier stance of seeking 100% safety for the boys for "we will do it with 90%". Ugh. I hope they would decide already and make a definite plan. Things work out better when everyone can focus on one line of action.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Good news at link
Richard Barrow in Thailand on Twitter
Thai NavySeal posted that the water has been reduced to the point where they can now walk between chamber 2 and 3.

Well they better start walkin!


Now the Facebook translation reads a little differently. But if those pictures are anything to go by this is good.
Thai NavySEAL

Now the problem is getting to chamber 3. Isn't that the stretch where they would have several hours of diving?

 

[Bravo]

Thank You Hatfield. Your a dear friend here and on many threads. With Rob's death I worry about what these kids may breathe in the months to come.

 

[Elainera]

When I sit back and try to think calmly about this, my gut tells me they know something we don’t. I want to rush and get these kids out, but they MUST know something more that is keeping them from diving the kids out now. Maybe it’s even riskier than we think. Maybe it’s worth them waiting until the absolute last minute. Why would they make this more dangerous for the kids on purpose? There’s got to be a good reason why they are still waiting. The risks must be outweighing the benefits right now.

I think the one in charge of the final decision is dithering because he doesn't want to be blamed if something goes wrong (which he probably would be). Nevertheless he should make a decision.

 

[enelram]

Good news at link
Richard Barrow in Thailand on Twitter
Thai NavySeal posted that the water has been reduced to the point where they can now walk between chamber 2 and 3.

Well they better start walkin!


Now the Facebook translation reads a little differently. But if those pictures are anything to go by this is good.
Thai NavySEAL

On the cave divers forum someone mentioned there are still 4,
yes 4 sump areas still- where the water is very deep and moving
very quickly with force- and these are the areas, as well as the
narrow tunnel, that will be impossible for the boys to pass through unless they scuba dive w/ air.
I wouldn't want to be one of the divers who OK bringing a boy
out unless I believed I could safely get him out. Having a kid
drown in your arms while you're helpless to do anything would
be frightening.
Seems there's now concern that the dry area where they are now
could flood to the ceiling if heavy rain come in Sunday.

 

[Elainera]

Is it possible to just drain that part that's so dangerous, that narrow deep passage (and other spots that are worrying)? Why keep draining parts that are already walkable or have a headroom?

 

[Elainera]

The good news is that it’s mostly sunny right now. And the forecast for the rest of the day shows mostly clear until a 30% chance of rain at 6:00 PM and a 70% chance of rain at 7:00. We shall see if this actually happens. Hoping whatever new equipment they get will be right away and will help considerably.

A news correspondent on site just posted a picture of the clouds there right now. Not sunny.

Pichayada P. on Twitter

 

[MsJosie]

Someone said earlier the coach should get out last, but maybe it would be helpful for the boys if he went out first? He is their coach, they trust him, they learn from him, they might feel if he did it we can do it too (like they learned football from him).

Coach needs to go out last. He needs to make sure his team is all accounted for and safe with a seal, Neve lean a man behind, even though he should lead....but this point can be argued and debated forever....will leave it up to the experts.

 

[Bravo]

If they don't take them out they will die. From disease, whatever they are breathing. If it was me I would say take me out and I will die trying. Apparently others are making this decision. What do the boys want. Has anyone asked? They see their friends going downhill. How is that for moral?