Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

[Jennifer17]

I love Thai food. My nephews are their ages and they are always hungry.

The Thai food in Thailand is a little different than the Thai food in western countries. The same ingredients, but in different proportions.

 

[Jennifer17]

They were sending in 4 months supply of food. Hopefully it is there already, in case the cave gets cut off from sudden rain.

I think that they would be army rations.

 

[SunVenus]

I think that they would be army rations.

Military (aka Army) rations maybe-- pre-packaged, easy to use. Makes intuitive sense. And I think they are also sending in special rations used in situations like this. That energy gel has been mentioned, and a few other items. (Can't recall ATM what those are; I'll need to find a link to the post that mentions all this.) I assume they may use nutrients similar to those used in the 2010 Copiapó mining accident-- a glucose solution of some sort, things like that-- easy to digest, then later high in sugars and minerals and potassium closer to the rescue time. They'll likely be a treat thrown in here or there, as they have already done with a national delicacy. That could be a real "chin up" for the young men, good for their psyches and sense of hope. After all, this rescue may take a while.

The news that it has been an unusually dry and sunny few days gives me even more hope for these young people.

P.S. I now have a big craving for Thai food after hearing they got sticky rice and pork.

 

[Jennifer17]

Military (aka Army) rations maybe-- pre-packaged, easy to use. Makes intuitive sense. And I think they are also sending in special rations used in situations like this. That energy gel has been mentioned, and a few other items. (Can't recall ATM what those are; I'll need to find a link to the post that mentions all this.) I assume they may use nutrients similar to those used in the 2010 Copiapó mining accident-- a glucose solution of some sort, things like that-- easy to digest, then later high in sugars and minerals and potassium closer to the rescue time. They'll likely be a treat thrown in here or there, as they have already done with a national delicacy. That could be a real "chin up" for the young men, good for their psyches and sense of hope. After all, this rescue may take a while.

The news that it has been an unusually dry and sunny few days gives me even more hope for these young people.

P.S. I now have a big craving for Thai food after hearing they got sticky rice and pork.

Sticky rice and mango is better.

 

[*Verdigris]

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Exclusive: Trapped Thai cave survivor celebrates his 14th birthday underground

Trapped Thai cave survivor celebrates his 14th birthday underground | Daily Mail Online

One of the twelve Thai boys found trapped in a cave in Thailand has celebrated his 14th birthday the day after he and his friends were discovered by rescuers.

Duangpetch Phromthep, known as "Dom," was trapped in the Thamg Luang cave network in the country's north along with 11 other teammates on his local football team and their coach 10 days ago.

…Here's to Dom spending his 15th next year, happy, healthy and HOME!
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[KaaBoom]

I continue to think about American drilling technology and how it could possibly drill a hole to extract these boys. Remember when these men where rescued from a coal mine? I know there are oil field workers in the USA who could figure out a way to rescue these boys!
Quecreek Mine rescue - Wikipedia

I believe the Quecreak miners were trapped 73 meters below the surface. These kids are trapped over 800 meters below the surface. A better example would be the Copiapo mine rescue. In that case it took rescuers two and a half months to drill down 638 meters to reach the miners. To drill a rescue shaft down to this cave could take at least three months. It could take a lot longer depending on how many exploratory shafts they would have to drill before they hit the cave. By that time the rainy season would be over and they could just walk out.

That said, I think they should get started drilling a rescue shaft anyway, just in case. But it would probably be a waste of time and money. I'm not sure if they have the funds for it or not.

 

[Jennifer17]

I believe the Quecreak miners were trapped 73 meters below the surface. These kids are trapped over 800 meters below the surface. A better example would be the Copiapo mine rescue. In that case it took rescuers two and a half months to drill down 638 meters to reach the miners. To drill a rescue shaft down to this cave could take at least three months. It could take a lot longer depending on how many exploratory shafts they would have to drill before the hit the cave. By that time the rainy season would be over and they could just walk out.

That said, I think they should get started drilling a rescue shaft anyway, just in case. But it would probably be a waste of time and money. I'm not sure if they have the funds for it or not.

If that happened, and I am not sure it would, the countries that have sent teams in would absorb that cost. Australia, quite regularly rescues lone sailors from the southern ocean (one of them twice)and I don't think that we charge them, although I think the fool who had to be rescued twice. should have been.

 

[katydid23]

A lot of the most recent reports are somewhat conflicting and it is confusing.

But this is what I get, from synthesizing it all. The Seals are going to help move the boys to higher ground in the next day or two---just in case the heavy rains start and the floods come.

And from the new higher ground, they are going to teach the boys to use their masks and dive and learn to maneuver through the murky waters.

Then they will attempt make the bigger move, within the week or so...if the rains don't block them.

Otherwise, they will hunker down, until they have a better opportunity.

Is that about right?

 

[katydid23]

Experts cast doubt on proposed plan to have trapped soccer team scuba dive out of Thailand cave

Experts in cave diving say a plan floated to extract 12 boys and their soccer coach from a cave in Thailand by teaching them on the fly to scuba dive through treacherous floodwaters may not be the best option.

"Cave diving is a very technical skill and it's extremely dangerous, especially for an untrained diver," Anmar Mirza, coordinator of the U.S. National Cave Rescue Commission, told ABC News. "So they may end up being better off trying to supply them in the cave until they can be gotten out by other means."

Experts cast doubt on plan to have trapped soccer team scuba dive out of cave

 

[creepcrusher]

A lot of the most recent reports are somewhat conflicting and it is confusing.

But this is what I get, from synthesizing it all. The Seals are going to help move the boys to higher ground in the next day or two---just in case the heavy rains start and the floods come.

And from the new higher ground, they are going to teach the boys to use their masks and dive and learn to maneuver through the murky waters.

Then they will attempt make the bigger move, within the week or so...if the rains don't block them.

Otherwise, they will hunker down, until they have a better opportunity.

Is that about right?

Yes. Until they change their minds again.

 

[SunVenus]

I believe the Quecreak miners were trapped 73 meters below the surface. These kids are trapped over 800 meters below the surface. A better example would be the Copiapo mine rescue. In that case it took rescuers two and a half months to drill down 638 meters to reach the miners. To drill a rescue shaft down to this cave could take at least three months. It could take a lot longer depending on how many exploratory shafts they would have to drill before the hit the cave. By that time the rainy season would be over and they could just walk out.

That said, I think they should get started drilling a rescue shaft anyway, just in case. But it would probably be a waste of time and money. I'm not sure if they have the funds for it or not.

The Copiapo rescue was an amazing effort on the behalf of many experts from all over. The hard part was that amazing depth. Every time I look into it, I get more and more blown away by how amazing the rescue was. They put many plans into place to succeed, just as they are formulating many plans for the rescue of the Thai soccer team members.

I am also impressed by the Beaconsfield mine rescue here in Oz twelve years ago. That was another disaster at a frighting depth, and it had a mostly happy ending.

Thing is, this Thai rescue is in a wet cave. I'm trying to find a map or diagram that shows the depth where these young men are sheltering. The problem with this particular sort of rescue isn't necessarily the depth though; the issue is that it is a (at least) partially "wet cave", which traversing-- even for expert cave divers-- is risky in the extreme. For an idea of how risky cave diving can be, look into the disappearance of Ben McDaniel, a semi-experienced cave diver. It's quite the rabbit hole (and there are tonnes of theories on what happened, if he was even in the cave, etc.) On the wiki page I provided, it links to many articles and a documentary about the cave divers who searched-- repeatedly-- for him. And there was one volunteer diver who died looking for him.

All the above scares me for the young Thai team. However, they seem resilient. IF the monsoon holds off for a bit more time...IF they can pump out the lion's share of that murky water... IF they can find a natural chimney close to the young mens' location...IF they can find a way to teach basic swimming and scuba skills....

Yeah, that is a lot of ifs, but I have faith. Lots of plans & backup plans are being explored and the Thai government/military and the experts from all over the world are putting their best efforts and strategies into this rescue. Luck has been on their side thus far, right? Miracles happen every day and I am not giving up hope here. <3

 

[Jennifer17]

Experts cast doubt on proposed plan to have trapped soccer team scuba dive out of Thailand cave

Experts in cave diving say a plan floated to extract 12 boys and their soccer coach from a cave in Thailand by teaching them on the fly to scuba dive through treacherous floodwaters may not be the best option.

"Cave diving is a very technical skill and it's extremely dangerous, especially for an untrained diver," Anmar Mirza, coordinator of the U.S. National Cave Rescue Commission, told ABC News. "So they may end up being better off trying to supply them in the cave until they can be gotten out by other means."

Experts cast doubt on plan to have trapped soccer team scuba dive out of cave

I kind of agree with this. These boys lived on a river and they would have gone in the river to cool off and splashed around, but never learnt to swim. I cannot see them learning to dive.

 

[KaaBoom]

Thing is, this Thai rescue is in a wet cave. I'm trying to find a map or diagram that shows the depth where these young men are sheltering.

Here is the diagram from the BBC. It shows they are 800 meters to 1 kilometer below the surface.

The Brits behind the Thai cave boys search

 

[katydid23]

I kind of agree with this. These boys lived on a river and they would have gone in the river to cool off and splashed around, but never learnt to swim. I cannot see them learning to dive.

I agree, but what are the options?

If it is a heavy monsoon season, they could be in severe danger if they try and stay and wait it out. And even if they are not overwhelmed by flood waters, they might have to wait until October to walk out. That seems like a bad option. So many things could go wrong.


So how can they get them out of the very deep flooded channels, if they don't learn to use the masks?


The one MIRACLE option is possible if they can find another way out that is less dangerous. They are looking but it takes time. Meanwhile the heavy rains are on the way...very scary.

 

[*Verdigris]

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Chilean miner offers advice to trapped Thai soccer team | Daily Mail Online

'They shouldn't be ashamed to be scared': Chilean miner among 33 rescued after 69 days trapped underground sends his advice to Thai boys soccer team

Awwww... so sweet. ❤︎
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[KaaBoom]

I kind of agree with this. These boys lived on a river and they would have gone in the river to cool off and splashed around, but never learnt to swim. I cannot see them learning to dive.

My understanding is that they will not be swimming out. I don't think anybody expects them to be able to swim out. They will be packaged out by professional divers. Two divers per kid.

 

[SunVenus]

Here is the diagram from the BBC. It shows they are 800 meters to 1 kilometer below the surface.

The Brits behind the Thai cave boys search

Thank you KaaBoom; this is precisely what I was looking for. That perspective is very enlightening.

So it's at a rough depth as well as being a periodically wet cave. Dammit. Those odds... but nope! Shan't think that way! All options are being explored-- drilling, diving, towing, waiting, etc. If humans can rescue the astronauts on Apollo 13, and in Chilean mine, or in Tasmania, or any myriad of situations, we can certainly find a way to rescue these young people.

Thank you again for locating that map!

 

[*Verdigris]

The Copiapo rescue was an amazing effort on the behalf of many experts from all over. The hard part was that amazing depth. Every time I look into it, I get more and more blown away by how amazing the rescue was. They put many plans into place to succeed, just as they are formulating many plans for the rescue of the Thai soccer team members.

I am also impressed by the Beaconsfield mine rescue here in Oz twelve years ago. That was another disaster at a frighting depth, and it had a mostly happy ending.

Thing is, this Thai rescue is in a wet cave. I'm trying to find a map or diagram that shows the depth where these young men are sheltering. The problem with this particular sort of rescue isn't necessarily the depth though; the issue is that it is a (at least) partially "wet cave", which traversing-- even for expert cave divers-- is risky in the extreme. For an idea of how risky cave diving can be, look into the disappearance of Ben McDaniel, a semi-experienced cave diver. It's quite the rabbit hole (and there are tonnes of theories on what happened, if he was even in the cave, etc.) On the wiki page I provided, it links to many articles and a documentary about the cave divers who searched-- repeatedly-- for him. And there was one volunteer diver who died looking for him.

All the above scares me for the young Thai team. However, they seem resilient. IF the monsoon holds off for a bit more time...IF they can pump out the lion's share of that murky water... IF they can find a natural chimney close to the young mens' location...IF they can find a way to teach basic swimming and scuba skills....

Yeah, that is a lot of ifs, but I have faith. Lots of plans & backup plans are being explored and the Thai government/military and the experts from all over the world are putting their best efforts and strategies into this rescue. Luck has been on their side thus far, right? Miracles happen every day and I am not giving up hope here. <3

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Really great post --just wanted to thank you beyond the "Like" button.
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[SunVenus]

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Really great post --just wanted to thank you beyond the "Like" button.
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Why thank you Verdigris! You are very kind.

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree, but what are the options?
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If it is a heavy monsoon season, they could be in severe danger if they try and stay and wait it out. And even if they are not overwhelmed by flood waters, they might have to wait until October to walk out. That seems like a bad option. So many things could go wrong.


So how can they get them out of the very deep flooded channels, if they don't learn to use the masks?


The one MIRACLE option is possible if they can find another way out that is less dangerous. They are looking but it takes time. Meanwhile the heavy rains are on the way...very scary.

Yes, I agree. I would hate to be the ones making these decisions. Between a rock and a hard place.