The cost of searching for Kyron

[21merc7]

Is he referring to next Tuesday? So nothing before then?

What would the "other shoe" about to drop be? I am not getting how anyone can be arrested at this point, unless someone has confessed. Does anyone else see how? For instance, if someone now swears they saw Terri leave with Kyron, what would be the charge? That is where I am lost.

There is no confession. If there was one, it would have been "leaked" by "a reliable source" "close to the investigation" by now.

 

[soldiermedic335]

Is he referring to next Tuesday? So nothing before then?

What would the "other shoe" about to drop be? I am not getting how anyone can be arrested at this point, unless someone has confessed. Does anyone else see how? For instance, if someone now swears they saw Terri leave with Kyron, what would be the charge? That is where I am lost.

If they have a reliable witness, they may have enough for a Grand Jury.

 

[Jules71]

Hope it's okay to link to a different article regarding Staton's statements after the meeting. (And yes, I know they aren't the most reputable news source per some people)

County Board Approves Additional Funds for Kyron Horman Investigation
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07...itional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

In this article, I noted this comment:

"Outside the county board room, Staton told reporters that Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, has cooperated and agreed to all requests so far from investigators. He declined to name any person of interest in the case, but he said an upcoming press release will answer many of the public’s questions about the case."

Answers???? Really?? Are you ssuuuuurrre? If so that would be NICE!

Interesting!

B(in blue)BM.

What does this mean in conjunction with many of the public's questions about the case will be answered? HMMMM.

 

[CASH]

I think he means a conviction.

I agree...I think he meant to say a good legal resolution (i.e. conviction). I think he realized that when he said good resolution he had to go back and qualify it (awkwardly) with the word legally....since a true "good resolution" would bring Kyron home.

 

[soldiermedic335]

Interesting!

B(in blue)BM.

What does this mean in conjunction with many of the public's questions about the case will be answered? HMMMM.

Unless between now and then, they come up with a POI or solve the case. Most likely NO.

 

[grandmaj]

I have never examined how bookeeping in Oregon is structured. But I do have experience working as City Manager in another State.

Government Budgets are line item budgets. In other words you would budget almost 12 months ahead of the fiscal year and then go through budget hearings before you would have an approved budget. If Oregon is the same way of budgeting(and I can't say for sure).

The District Attorney may budget similar to this. These numbers are just examples not true numbers:

200,000 for investigators
500,000 cost of trial
400,000 salaries
200,000 operating expenses(rent, bldg upkeep, water, electricity)
75,000 office supplies
200,000 capital purchases like cars, radio equipment etc.
etc. etc. etc.

Now an investigation into a missing child was not anticipated in that budget process and we are probably about 18 months past when the numbers were prepared. Depending on when their fiscal year begins.

So they had this line itemized budget and needed 2 more investigators. There may be unspent money in the line items like operating expenses or office expenses, but it would be against the law to spend that on hiring investigators. My feeling is that they have enough in salaries to pay the person. And they probably got legal permission from the City Attorney to make such a shift. Now if there was another major case then they would have to go back to the well. But, in the line items where they haven't spent the money they will return it because they can't spend it on salaries or investigators.

It is not at all unusual for a Department Head to make a request like the DA made. It puts the City Council on notice that hey we may have an issue , but it also is something tangible. This is a case that needs to be solved and prosecuted. We did this often with Legal Budgets. We budgeted for what we thought we might need but if a big case came in we had to go back and ask for more funding in order to prosecute it or defend against it. City Government has to balance its books. It isn't like the Federal Government that runs in the red.

As I said earlier this comes with a huge disclaimer because I'm not sure how the budget in Oregon is structured but I would imagine it is similar. MOO

 

[grandmaj]

I have never examined how bookeeping in Oregon is structured. But I do have experience working as City Manager in another State.

Government Budgets are line item budgets. In other words you would budget almost 12 months ahead of the fiscal year and then go through budget hearings before you would have an approved budget. If Oregon is the same way of budgeting(and I can't say for sure).

The District Attorney may budget similar to this. These numbers are just examples not true numbers:

200,000 for investigators
500,000 cost of trial
400,000 salaries
200,000 operating expenses(rent, bldg upkeep, water, electricity)
75,000 office supplies
200,000 capital purchases like cars, radio equipment etc.
etc. etc. etc.

Now an investigation into a missing child was not anticipated in that budget process and we are probably about 18 months past when the numbers were prepared. Depending on when their fiscal year begins.

So they had this line itemized budget and needed 2 more investigators. There may be unspent money in the line items like operating expenses or office expenses, but it would be against the law to spend that on hiring investigators. My feeling is that they have enough in salaries to pay the person. And they probably got legal permission from the City Attorney to make such a shift. Now if there was another major case then they would have to go back to the well. But, in the line items where they haven't spent the money they will return it because they can't spend it on salaries or investigators.

It is not at all unusual for a Department Head to make a request like the DA made. It puts the City Council on notice that hey we may have an issue , but it also is something tangible. This is a case that needs to be solved and prosecuted. We did this often with Legal Budgets. We budgeted for what we thought we might need but if a big case came in we had to go back and ask for more funding in order to prosecute it or defend against it. City Government has to balance its books. It isn't like the Federal Government that runs in the red.

As I said earlier this comes with a huge disclaimer because I'm not sure how the budget in Oregon is structured but I would imagine it is similar. MOO

ETA it is always a great thing to return a budget overage, knowing that in the next year when you budget you may have to ask for money for a big case.

 

[Sherbie]

Unfortunately, that's true. However, if LE is refusing to name POI's in this case. Then, that's what we have to deal with.

I understand what you are saying, but fortunately for us, we are allowed to talk things over and discuss various possibilities and scenarios within the rules of this forum. Even if LE were to name a person of interest, that doesn't prove guilt, either. So if we were to wait for definitive evidence, we wouldn't have much to discuss til both sides rested their cases at trial.

We kick things around here and bounce ideas off each other, but we're all respectful of the legal process and understand IUPG. You'll notice that we are quick to check each other when someone goes out of bounds with speculation, not to mention we have the best moderation anywhere.

Glad you joined us, and if I am reading your nickname correctly, ty so very much for your service!

 

[ami]

I think that to KH and DY, TH "cooperating" means telling them where their son is so they can bring him home. To LE, TH "cooperating" means that she showed up for her LDTs (even if she didn't pass them) and gave them a statement and that her attorney has been communicating with them.

So she can be cooperating by the most literal LE standards and not cooperating in a more personal sense. Both can be true. If KH and TY believe her to be responsible for Kyron's disappearance, the only way they'll consider her cooperative is if she fesses up.

 

[soldiermedic335]

I think that to KH and DY, TH "cooperating" means telling them where their son is so they can bring him home. To LE, TH "cooperating" means that she showed up for her LDTs (even if she didn't pass them) and gave them a statement and that her attorney has been communicating with them.

So she can be cooperating by the most literal LE standards and not cooperating in a more personal sense. Both can be true. If KH and TY believe her to be responsible for Kyron's disappearance, the only way they'll consider her cooperative is if she fesses up.

Very good point!

 

[Cheewawa007]

Is he referring to next Tuesday? So nothing before then?

What would the "other shoe" about to drop be? I am not getting how anyone can be arrested at this point, unless someone has confessed. Does anyone else see how? For instance, if someone now swears they saw Terri leave with Kyron, what would be the charge? That is where I am lost.

BBM: if they have successfully negotiated the safe return of Kyron with whoever is holding him (I know this is far fetched & a long shot). This IMO would be "a good resolution".

 

[gardeness]

I think LE should release the information about Terri's alibi--they have seen the grocery store videos by now...

 

[Kat010]

I have been contemplating this idea.

Suppose TH is guilty of something. Her attorney has been negotiating some terms for her before it all comes crashing down. Perhaps things like making sure her son is where he'll be happy (and spending some time with him before she's arrested, if she is).

And maybe making sure her assets (if she has any left) are secure for her children. Perhaps even negotiating terms that say her family can have visitation with her daughter. Or that if she goes to jail, she can contact her daughter (birthday cards, etc.) and may see her again at some point.

If things are building to a climax that includes arresting her, I wouldn't be surprised if things like this are getting worked out before she's in jail and no longer can handle this stuff.

This is just speculation.

 

[Melanie]

The people of Portland need to wake up and ask WTF? Do they have a POI or not? You can only "No comment" for so long before you start to look incompetent. This it beginning to look like mayberry here.

Mayberry is right. In California we're still looking for Mitrice Richardson, and no mention of money (and trust me, we don't have any). California also is giving the Duggard's something like 20M.

Why is this sheriff so focused on money. Who cares -- just as long as we find Kyron.

If the UN can forgive the Haiti debt, we can certainly pour however much it takes to find a missing precious little boy.

This sheriff is starting to really irk me....

MOO

Mel

 

[cluciano63]

Mayberry is right. In California we're still looking for Mitrice Richardson, and no mention of money (and trust me, we don't have any). California also is giving the Duggard's something like 20M.

Why is this sheriff so focused on money. Who cares -- just as long as we find Kyron.

If the UN can forgive the Haiti debt, we can certainly pour however much it takes to find a missing precious little boy.

This sheriff is starting to really irk me....

MOO

Mel

Well the money still has to appear. It has to be allocated or voted on a bond or something. Clearly this case is different from others they have handled and have to let the public know it will be expensive and take a long time (possibly.)

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO, I am sure that was part of the agreement by both attorneys during their meeting, prior to her moving out.

They can't make Desiree agree to that. :angel:

 

[RubyRed]

County Board Approves Additional Funds for Kyron Horman Investigation


District Attorney Mike Schrunk said the money is needed to cover an additional prosecutor and other costs, but he’s not sure how much longer the investigation into the missing 7-year-old will continue at the current pace.

“There comes a time when we’re going to have to sit down and have those hard questions (of) when (this case) is not going to have to be the major devourer of resources,” Schrunk said. “Life in Multnomah County is going to have to continue.”

Commissioner Deborah Kafoury asked Schrunk whether the Kyron investigation is unusual compared with investigations into other missing children. Schrunk said the public location at Skyline School and the possibility of foul play make the case more complex.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07...itional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

 

[cluciano63]

The comment from "Aqualina" on the above article is very interesting...

 

[RubyRed]

The comment from "Aqualina" on the above article is very interesting...

Thanks, I just read it. So many twists and turns in this case. If that turns out to be true, honestly this case is getting ridiculous.

 

[Calliope]

The comment from "Aqualina" on the above article is very interesting...

Very. Will have to bookmark that and wait to see if it's true or not.