The cost of searching for Kyron

[cluciano63]

How would they know he is dead unless they found him or have a confession? And I don't think either would still be a secret by now. They may have told Kaine to prepare for the worst, as they have been lsitening to Kaine cling to hope and want to make sure he is prepared, somewhat, for Kyron not being alive.

 

[PDXMom]

I think I'm getting dull from the lack of answers and common sense in this case. Bette, you listed several things going on right now that are interesting. I'm most disturbed by Kaine's emotion at the wall coinciding with the delayed $$ request. Does this mean they'll be taking people off the case? Have they told Kaine they've done all they can?? What about this uber-planned PC - why planned so far in advance, and why now? Are they just going to show their cards & fold? I don't understand what's happening at all.

 

[shorty42404]

I don't understand why someone would lie about their son being alive when he really is dead? Doesn't make sense to me. Plus, Kaine was interviewed at the wall before the 3 hour meeting wasn't he?

Also, in the following article I found this statement strange:

"Outside the county board room, Staton told reporters that Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, has cooperated and agreed to all requests so far from investigators. He declined to name any person of interest in the case, but he said an upcoming press release will answer many of the public’s questions about the case"

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

So she is cooperating? There is a conflict between what he is saying and what KH & DY have said. This is confusing.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Giving up a few hundred thousand dollars to be used for search and investigating is more than 'preparing' Kaine..IMO.

 

[Kat010]

This case is now officially beyond weird.

And what did Schrunk mean by "a good resolution"?

"District Attorney Michael Schrunk also spoke at the meeting. Schrunk did submit the DA's office request for $196,000 for a deputy D.A. and a limited-time investigator to continue the Kyron Horman investigation.
Schrunk said "we are confident of a good resolution (in the Kyron Horman case), and legally.""

To me, a good resolution means finding Kyron alive. But I'm wondering if he means "we find the body, arrest someone, and put them in jail."

Very bad word usage, IMHO. Just another weird thing.

ETA/typo Freudian slip into Strunk as in Strunk and White.

 

[21merc7]

They just balanced the books, nothing going on:

Stayton tabled the request until October, and actually announced the Sheriff's office would return about $900,000 to county coffers from savings in the previous fiscal year.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Agencies-re...portland-98787209.html?commentPage=4#comments

 

[21merc7]

This case is now officially beyond weird.

And what did Strunk mean by "a good resolution"?

"District Attorney Michael Schrunk also spoke at the meeting. Schrunk did submit the DA's office request for $196,000 for a deputy D.A. and a limited-time investigator to continue the Kyron Horman investigation.
Schrunk said "we are confident of a good resolution (in the Kyron Horman case), and legally.""

To me, a good resolution means finding Kyron alive. But I'm wondering if he means "we find the body, arrest someone, and put them in jail."

Very bad word usage, IMHO. Just another weird thing.

I agree. What? They have been doing this illegally? Lol.

 

[newone]

I agree. What? They have been doing this illegally? Lol.

:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

could this mean they have a signed confession??

 

[Calliope]

I don't understand why someone would lie about their son being alive when he really is dead? Doesn't make sense to me. Plus, Kaine was interviewed at the wall before the 3 hour meeting wasn't he?

Also, in the following article I found this statement strange:

"Outside the county board room, Staton told reporters that Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, has cooperated and agreed to all requests so far from investigators. He declined to name any person of interest in the case, but he said an upcoming press release will answer many of the public’s questions about the case"

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

So she is cooperating? There is a conflict between what he is saying and what KH & DY have said. This is confusing.

Yeah. I wonder who's lying.

 

[Calliope]

They just balanced the books, nothing going on:

Stayton tabled the request until October, and actually announced the Sheriff's office would return about $900,000 to county coffers from savings in the previous fiscal year.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Agencies-re...portland-98787209.html?commentPage=4#comments

Hmm.

Seems like that would have been an important detail to clarify before going public with a request for more funds.

 

[Etilema]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s.html

It says he is "delaying" his request for extra money. It says if he still needs it "he'll return to the board this fall".

So it doesn't sound like they are not going to put more money into it, just drawing on their own budget first, then return for the requested money if necessary.

 

[PortlandMama]

:waitasec: OK, I think this may be what is going on:

The county's fiscal year closed June 30. Whatever had been spent on the Kyron investigation by MCSO between June 4 and June 30 was included in monies spent for that fiscal year.

Since they had been running significantly under budget (Staton runs a tight ship, IMO), they were able to put $900K back to the county as their surplus for that fiscal year. I don't know if he is legally prohibited from rolling the $900K over to his next fiscal year's budget, but it certainly seems the ethical thing to return unused funds to the county (IMO).

Once it goes back to Multnomah County, the county can determine how to allocate that surplus among its varied divisions for the next fiscal year--the one that began July 1, 2010. Whether some or any of that surplus goes to MCSO or DA will be determined by the county commissioners.

Separately, MCSO requested additional monies for the fiscal year we are now in (starting July 1, 2010) due to expectations for the Kyron Horman case. (This is independent of the requests for additional monies by the DA's office for this case.) Staton has now tabled/deferred that request until the fall.

That may mean nothing more than that he feels comfortable working within his budget for the near term and so can take a wait-and-see attitude. If he typically runs x% under budget, that may be what he is using to calculate the number of months before he has to take a hard look and decide whether to make the request for additional funds, depending on the status of the investigation at that point. If the DA's office typically does not run under budget, they cannot afford to delay their request.

MOO, etc.

 

[Sherbie]

Yeah. I wonder who's lying.

Not sure it means anyone is lying. From LE's perspective, simply not refusing to talk with them may be considered "cooperating," whereas cooperating might entail being a whole lot more helpful from Kaine and Desiree's perspective.

That is so odd about the funding request, isn't it? To do an about-face in a matter of hours and say, "Oops, we don't need more money after all...in fact, we're gonna give you back nearly a million bucks!" is just bizarre!

 

[Caligram]

One more puzzlement to add to the case. Don't know what to think anymore. The request for more money, then LE cancels that request - was it just ugly bookkeeping, or something more sinister?

 

[Kat010]

Calliope, agree. This is beyond just fiscal stuff--even considering it fiscal stupidity--to one day want almost half a mil more; then turn around and "give back" almost a mil.

Merc, by "legally" I think he meant getting a "legal"--i.e. courtroom & sentence--conclusion to this case. But I don't know. You've just pointed out another problem with his wording. Sheesh.

And yes, yes--so LE says TH has been cooperating? Well, then, what's up with the KH/DY ranting and begging for her to do so?

I'm beginning to wonder if there is *anyone* with common sense and professional judgment involved in investigating this case. This case just staggers from inanity to inanity, with several bar stops along the way for soap operas and appearances by the Keystone Kops.

Sorry to sound so mean, but I can't recall watching such a messed-up investigation and case in--gee, I don't know how long.

 

[Calliope]

The people of Portland need to wake up and ask WTF? Do they have a POI or not? You can only "No comment" for so long before you start to look incompetent. This it beginning to look like mayberry here.

I'd like to know how he went from needing nearly a quarter-million dollars just a few days ago to almost a million-dollar surplus.

I hope the commissioners think hard about appointing someone to take a look at the SO's accounting practices.

 

[Calliope]

Not sure it means anyone is lying. From LE's perspective, simply not refusing to talk with them may be considered "cooperating," whereas cooperating might entail being a whole lot more helpful from Kaine and Desiree's perspective.

Except he said she has "... agreed to all requests so far from investigators."

SO= Terri has cooperated and agreed to all requests so far from investigators.

DY/KH= Terri has not cooperated.


Someone is lying.

That is so odd about the funding request, isn't it? To do an about-face in a matter of hours and say, "Oops, we don't need more money after all...in fact, we're gonna give you back nearly a million bucks!" is just bizarre!

I think it deserves an audit, actually.

 

[Cyclemama]

Why bother asking for money when they quit searching for him weeks ago and are only spending time and money trying to build a no-body prosecution against Terri. She did it, no doubt, but they need to find his body.

 

[BeanE]

This is being discussed in two threads. Here's the thread for the MCSO $$$$ request:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109748"]MCSO asks for "one-year" crime tech & almost half-a-million dollars more - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Aedrys]

I know this looks and sounds bizarre, but I am personally going to wait for the press conference on the 27th before bashing LE. There are are lot of things we still don't know, and I hope to God they clear up some of this confusion. I don't like it, but I am not going to give up on LE just yet. I think some deep breaths are in order here before this turns into an LE bashing thread instead, which will get it shut down and fast.