The Science Fair-IB Expo and the Electric Project

[Noway]

I am reading this thread in its entirety, but in regard to T referring to a "substitute teacher" and there not having been any subs that day, I wondered whether the parent that was there was also a substitute.

My son has a classmate whose mom is a substitute and sometimes when we see her at the school, we don't know whether she is there as a substitute or as a parent.

Maybe this child previously had this parent as a sub, and that is why he referred to her as such.

 

[Emma Peel]

I am reading this thread in its entirety, but in regard to T referring to a "substitute teacher" and there not having been any subs that day, I wondered whether the parent that was there was also a substitute.

My son has a classmate whose mom is a substitute and sometimes when we see her at the school, we don't now whether she is there as a substitute or as a parent.

Maybe this child previously had this parent as a sub, and that is why he referred to her as such.

Always believed this to be the obvious answer. I never got terribly excited about all of that. This is a kid talking. Probably not an accomplished liar or someone with an agenda. Just a kid. Their recollections might actually be accurate and helpful, so long as you put your kid hat on, clarify terms (such as "substitute"), and have adults around to help them frame timing properly.

 

[21merc7]

I am reading this thread in its entirety, but in regard to T referring to a "substitute teacher" and there not having been any subs that day, I wondered whether the parent that was there was also a substitute.

My son has a classmate whose mom is a substitute and sometimes when we see her at the school, we don't now whether she is there as a substitute or as a parent.

Maybe this child previously had this parent as a sub, and that is why he referred to her as such.

Noway I could be wrong, and someone will jump in and fix it. The child that was with Kyron after TH left school called the "parent helper" substitute teacher in the video. I think that is just what they commonly said when there was someone besides the normal teacher present.

 

[Noway]

21merc7 -- I can see that.

I've been in my son's class after lunch, before the teacher returned and several kids have asked, "Are you our sub?!"

I've also heard kids refer to the woman I mentioned above as a "sub" even when she was there in the capacity of L's mom. These kids did not realize she was not only a "sub" but also the mother of a child at the school.

To this day, when my son sees a woman whose daughter was a grade ahead of him and who played on his basketball team, he refers to her as Mrs. A's sub, not as K's mom.

 

[Donjeta]

Why were Kaine and Terri the only parents in KP's classroom who didn't know when they were supposed to pick up the projects?

I say this because of the photo of Kyron's project in the empty classroom (photo taken June 5).

Would the children who were actually at school until the end of the day have been allowed to transport their project home in the school bus if their parents didn't come to pick both their child and the project up?

 

[mysticrose]

Did we ever determine where the baby was that morning ? TIA...
Mystic

 

[Donjeta]

According to Kaine she was with Terri.

 

[mysticrose]

According to Kaine she was with Terri.

Hmmmm....I was listening to this audio interview and this gal said that Terri left the baby at home that morning when she went to the SF ?:waitasec:

I had never heard that before so I was just curious, because if she left her at home who was watching her ?

Here is a link it starts around the :58 min mark, the woman speaking about it is Casey Jordan (criminolgist):

[ame="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6687945n"]Concrete Evidence Vital in Kyron Case - CBS News Video[/ame]

 

[BeanE]

Hmmmm....I was listening to this audio interview and this gal said that Terri left the baby at home that morning when she went to the SF ?:waitasec:

I had never heard that before so I was just curious, because if she left her at home who was watching her ?

Here is a link it starts around the :58 min mark, the woman speaking about it is Casey Jordan (criminolgist):

Concrete Evidence Vital in Kyron Case - CBS News Video

She's got several things wrong...

 

[human]

If it was Terri who took him out of the school, she is the parent. I hardly think that she would have to think of anything clever to get him out of school.

Kids go with their parents. Nothing clever needed at all.

 

[Donjeta]

If it was Terri who took him out of the school, she is the parent. I hardly think that she would have to think of anything clever to get him out of school.

Kids go with their parents. Nothing clever needed at all.

Indeed.
"Let's go, we have to hurry now."
"Why?"
"I'll explain later, come now."

 

[kappy50]

welll I still don't think we were ever able to come up with how long the students participating in the science fair had to prepare for the SF. Therefore, I went to the schools website. It's not listed on the 2010 calendar. If you look at the 2009 student handbook, there is a calendar of events in there. It lists the talent show, but no SF. (may/June)...So I wonder is the SF is always a yearly event at the school or was this the first time and put together quickly ? So quickly that Kaine and DY,TY or anyone else couldn't attend because it was such a short notice that no one could get off of work. Leaving the only other party involved to attend.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but since I was gone for a couple of weeks I missed it.. but I remember seeing a video with Kaine and Desiree, (I'll go hunt for the link if no one remembers it) where DY says that she was under the impression that TH was going to be @ the science fair until 10 am (not her exact words, but very close) Does anyone know WHY she thought that? She never did say in the presser why she was under that impression and I have been curious ever since. Has that ever been explained by anyone? TIA!

 

[PortlandMama]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but since I was gone for a couple of weeks I missed it.. but I remember seeing a video with Kaine and Desiree, (I'll go hunt for the link if no one remembers it) where DY says that she was under the impression that TH was going to be @ the science fair until 10 am (not her exact words, but very close) Does anyone know WHY she thought that? She never did say in the presser why she was under that impression and I have been curious ever since. Has that ever been explained by anyone? TIA!

Yes, it was the Nightline interview: http://www.hulu.com/watch/163297/ab...stepmother#http://www.hulu.com/feed/recent/tv

TMK, we still don't why for sure she thinks that. I have my own ideas about it, though, which I've posted on other threads here, ranging from potentially worrisome to entirely innocent. If you go to my profile and search my posts you could find my other comments, but I don't think they generated much interest. :woohoo: LOL... Glad to hear someone else is intrigued by this too!

 

[Caligram]

Ir's horrible but likely that any Science Fair from now on is going to trigger memories of a child being abducted from school. Maybe a lot of emotion, prior to and happening after, was tied up with this Science Fair. If it wasn't on the school calendar, then it may have been an annual project covered in due date reminders sent home with students. It surely couldn't have been spur-of-the-moment, as this seems to have been an affair for most grade levels. I believe that in one media publication it was stated that the project was done by both Kyron and his dad. I think that is misleading. To name Terri (with her teacher's degree) as working with Kyron on this would have made people feel that it gave Kyron an unfair advantage. The completed project submitted with Kyron's name was something one would expect to see on the pages of National Geographic. I wonder if even Kyron was embarassed by the contrast between his display and the rest of his classmates. He seems to have been a bright and sensitive boy, able to respond to the comments of others in his classroom that day. I believe that the message to the media that Kyron was excited to show off his project to his step-mom was rather deceptive. She had already seen the project at their home, was most likely the major designer and producer, and she took the project in to the school the previous day. So, how could Terri be surprised. Possibly Terri was surprised and angry at the probable reaction of other parents and students who may have regarded Kyron's project was well beyond the capabilities of a seven-year-old. Taking unfair advantage does not always go over big, as kids have a sense of what's fair and what isn't. Maybe during the construction of the project Kaine and Terri had disagreements over Terri's "superiority" in dominating how this project was done. Kyron may have had his own ideas for a red-eyed tree frog that weren't so grandiose, but simply covering the keen interest of a seven-year-old. It would be interesting to see what the rules of this project were.
My elementary school grands get many assignments for school projects, some rather time-consuming, demanding and difficult considering their ages. Parents are forewarned to keep their hands off. If a project is turned in that the teacher recognizes is beyond the ability of the student, no grade is given, so punishment is swift.

Poor Kyron probably had many struggles with being allowed to be a seven-year-old and not a promoter of/for Terri. I don't believe that Kaine did much in the way of "power struggles" over how Terri was raising his children. He may have caved in to her "trust me - I know best" methods of controlling the household. Some parents will take a back seat to rules and expectations for the sake of peace and quiet. I wonder if that is what went on in the Kaine household.

This is all strictly my opinion. Please excuse grammar, punctuation and longevity. I speak from my heart and my brain isn't always awake, but keeps on turning and churning.

 

[kappy50]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but since I was gone for a couple of weeks I missed it.. but I remember seeing a video with Kaine and Desiree, (I'll go hunt for the link if no one remembers it) where DY says that she was under the impression that TH was going to be @ the science fair until 10 am (not her exact words, but very close) Does anyone know WHY she thought that? She never did say in the presser why she was under that impression and I have been curious ever since. Has that ever been explained by anyone? TIA!

don't know the timeline...but do know DY and Kaine WERE not there...very special day for Kyron....

 

[wondering1]

don't know the timeline...but do know DY and Kaine WERE not there...very special day for Kyron....

Of course we all have our own personal priorities and parenting styles, and we all view certain actions or inactions through our own lenses. With that said, this is a total *meh, so what* for me.

I work ft at a demanding job and have 2 elem. kids. I try to make the big stuff, like plays, concerts, etc. but I miss a good bit -- especially if it takes place during school hours. Sometimes it's just not feasible and, frankly, sometimes I just don't think a particular event is all that important. And I only work 15 minutes from the school. Not hours away. I would most definitely NOT be driving several hours to see a science project merely displayed during a fair that lasted one hour and involved the kids touring the other classrooms in groups. I'd be far more likely to attend a performance type thing. Not to mention that the fair started at 9, so DY would have had to leave her house at what? . . . 4 or 5 am to even get there on time.

So, from my perspective, I would have found it kind of odd and over-involved if she DID go under the circumstances. jmoojmoojmoo

eta: I just realized you were talking about DY and KH not DY and TY. But I'd say the same wrt Kaine, except for the distance part, obviously. And I agree with prior posts about why he wouldn't be there. Also a "meh, so what" for me.

 

[kappy50]

Of course we all have our own personal priorities and parenting styles, and we all view certain actions or inactions through our own lenses. With that said, this is a total *meh, so what* for me.

I work ft at a demanding job and have 2 elem. kids. I try to make the big stuff, like plays, concerts, etc. but I miss a good bit -- especially if it takes place during school hours. Sometimes it's just not feasible and, frankly, sometimes I just don't think a particular event is all that important. And I only work 15 minutes from the school. Not hours away. I would most definitely NOT be driving several hours to see a science project merely displayed during a fair that lasted one hour and involved the kids touring the other classrooms in groups. I'd be far more likely to attend a performance type thing. Not to mention that the fair started at 9, so DY would have had to leave her house at what? . . . 4 or 5 am to even get there on time.


So, from my perspective, I would have found it kind of odd and over-involved if she DID go under the circumstances. jmoojmoojmoo

eta: I just realized you were talking about DY and KH not DY and TY. But I'd say the same wrt Kaine, except for the distance part, obviously. And I agree with prior posts about why he wouldn't be there. Also a "meh, so what" for me.

thanks wondering...I guess I have slept since then...what was Kaines reasoning for not being there....as far as whether you go or do not go to your childrens/child's event...totally up to you. I TOO have a demanding job, but if I knew in advance and it was important to my son and or daughter, who I only see every two weeks or so, I'd leave at midnight to be there and camp out in the school parking lot, if I had no other place to go...But having said what I said, I have one child ( she is now 31 )both my husband and myself had and still have demanding job's...but nothing that if I/we miss work, that I we could not have made up later. What may not have been that important in our eyes, to our daughter, was extremely important....and that's all I got to say about 'dat!

 

[wondering1]

thanks wondering...I guess I have slept since then...what was Kaines reasoning for not being there....as far as whether you go or do not go to your childrens/child's event...totally up to you. I TOO have a demanding job, but if I knew in advance and it was important to my son and or daughter, who I only see every two weeks or so, I'd leave at midnight to be there and camp out in the school parking lot, if I had no other place to go...But having said what I said, I have one child ( she is now 31 )both my husband and myself had and still have demanding job's...but nothing that if I/we miss work, that I we could not have made up later. What may not have been that important in our eyes, to our daughter, was extremely important....and that's all I got to say about 'dat!

As I said, different strokes. I'm not dissing your priorities or parenting style at all, but they are entirely different than mine, and I'm okay with mine, too. Having said that, I'm sure my kids will be bi*tching to their therapists 20 years from now about how I scarred them for life by not attending their Lego city display lol (yes, that was an actual event).

Re KH not attending, I think he just made some kinda general remarks about having been at work and not attending everything, but trying to acknowledge those accomplishments in some other way when he couldn't attend -- like the ice cream, in this particular case. Totally paraphrasing, but I think it was being discussed today. Maybe even in this thread lol

and fwiw, I'm not a workaholic by any stretch, and my schedule is typically quite flexible. I leave to attend kids' school stuff when I think it's important, and I don't if I don't think it's that important, or on the rare day when I simply cannot. I have to say, though, my kids are super active in very time-consuming sports. So I put in a lot of time nights and weekends on their stuff. That probably makes me less inclined to worry about attending what I consider to be relatively minor school events.

 

[Pondering Mind]

don't know the timeline...but do know DY and Kaine WERE not there...very special day for Kyron....

TY, I knew that DY and Kaine weren't there, I was just pondering what made DY say something to the effect of *she was under the impression that TH was going to be at the science fair until it ended @ 10am that morning* DY 'seemed' (at least to me anyway ) fairly confident that TH's intentions were to stay the entire time. She didn't elaborate however as to how/why she would know that....like maybe she had spoken to TH and had been told that specifically ...IDK, I'm sure LE does and that's all that matters, lol...I just found it curious, that's all..

As far as neither Kaine or DY being @ the science fair, I don't read much at all into that. (regarding Kyron's disappearance anyway) As others have pointed out as well, what is an acceptable 'parenting style' (for lack of a better word) for one person may not be for another. As a single working mom, I was able to make most events @ my childrens' school when they were young..but not all..as I had a job that I couldn't always leave, not even for an hour or so, barring an emergency and I certainly couldn't afford to lose my job, ya know?

We really have NO idea what the family dynamics were really like...maybe Kaine was not as plugged in as he should have been, (not unlike MANY otherwise loving, imperfect parents ;-) I don't know that obviously, lol, maybe he was and usually attended Kyron's school events but had something pressing going on @ work..again, IDK..but he definitely *appears* to possibly have missed some *issues* going on at home. I find it hard to believe that all this came out of nowhere..but who knows?

With DY living several hours away it had to be difficult to attend school functions...that's a pretty long round trip. I could never have lived that far away from my child..heck, my children are grown and I would LOVE to live on the coast but won't move and leave them and my grandchildren 4.5 hours away! But that's just me and many parents do for a variety of reasons and imo it doesn't make them bad people or bad parents... just different than myself..

No matter what I think of anything that Kyron's parents have done or not done ..unless any of it pertains to Kyron's disappearance I really don't care to be honest..now if it does, that's a whole 'nother ball game! That said, I would have to imagine that LE knows about any 'skeletons in the closet' of all parents and unless/until there is an arrest we will be kept in the dark.

Kyron just needs to be brought home, one way or another I hate to say that, but sadly I'm just not feeling warm and fuzzy about the outcome of this case...