The Science Fair-IB Expo and the Electric Project

[RoughlyCollie]

don't know the timeline...but do know DY and Kaine WERE not there...very special day for Kyron....

Well, if a parent has to work, that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. If a working parent has a conflict between his child's wants and his employer's needs, the employer wins because, if for no other valid reason, the paycheck puts a roof over the family's heads and food on the table.

Besides, we don't know how special the day actually was from Kyron's point of view, or whether having Kaine there was of utmost importance to him. He may have understood that his dad had to work, and been quite satisfied to have Terri there. He may have been excited about seeing the exhibits, and whether his parents were there may not have been all that important to him, as long as one was there (so he didn't feel left out when the other kids' parents were there).

My four kids had project days similar to this when they were young, and they were not excited about it. They quickly learned early on that their projects never lived up to those that parents did for their kids. They had a hard time understanding why this was not okay, because the parents' projects always received the most praise and/or won the competitions. That may have been okay with some parents, the teachers and the school, but it was not okay with me. Real self esteem comes from one's own hard work and achievements, and to hand it out for free based on the work of someone else is cheating the children, plain and simple.

If I had done most of the work on my young kids' projects, what was there for them to be excited about? Public recognition for something they did not do. That's a real downer to most kids when they think about it -- it means, in essence, that their parents did not have much faith in their child's ability to do the work and that the child could not live up to his parent's expectations.

 

[kappy50]

I think the timeline is important simply because, if Kaine and DY thought this was planned ahead of time and to happen at the SF, did Teri have a whole school calendar year to plan it, or just a few months, or a few weeks to plan it. JMO...

 

[debs]

I think the timeline is important simply because, if Kaine and DY thought this was planned ahead of time and to happen at the SF, did Teri have a whole school calendar year to plan it, or just a few months, or a few weeks to plan it. JMO...

Both Kaine and Desiree expressed regret that they had to work that day, so it isn't like they didn't know the SF was happening. Using their own words, they knew about the SF prior to the day it happened and would have been able to gauge how special a day it was for Kyron. Neither parent chose to show, which says to me that it was a blip for them on the radar of events in their child's life.

I find it very interesting, however, that each parent holds Terri accountable for not sticking around for the whole thing.

 

[SurfieTX]

I find it very interesting, however, that each parent holds Terri accountable for not sticking around for the whole thing.

But, but...she did! Class started at 8:45. That was when the final bell rang. I seriously doubt they let parents stick around until 10:00 a.m. unless they were a known chaperon.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Both Kaine and Desiree expressed regret that they had to work that day, so it isn't like they didn't know the SF was happening. Using their own words, they knew about the SF prior to the day it happened and would have been able to gauge how special a day it was for Kyron. Neither parent chose to show, which says to me that it was a blip for them on the radar of events in their child's life.

I find it very interesting, however, that each parent holds Terri accountable for not sticking around for the whole thing.

I think hindsight is 20/20. Kaine and Desiree didn't make plans to be there, something they will probably regret the rest of their lives, but how could they know that it was possibly the last school event of Kyron's young life? Science Fair projects are also assignments that count for a grade and are sometimes a hassle (I know because my kids have done many of them over ther years). We don't really know who helped Kyron with this one (do we?), but that might be part of the problem - it wasn't like a musical program or sporting event, and happened before school not after school which is always awkward.

Having said that, if TH was the only parent who was going to be there, then I can see their point that she should have stayed longer. But then again, she must have had . . . other plans . . .

 

[debs]

I simply suggest that the two birth parents were not so concerned with Terri that they chose to become more active in their child's life. That is all.

 

[Wrinkles]

Both Kaine and Desiree expressed regret that they had to work that day, so it isn't like they didn't know the SF was happening. Using their own words, they knew about the SF prior to the day it happened and would have been able to gauge how special a day it was for Kyron. Neither parent chose to show, which says to me that it was a blip for them on the radar of events in their child's life.

I find it very interesting, however, that each parent holds Terri accountable for not sticking around for the whole thing.

Hiya Deb,

Could you help me to the reports/indications that Kyron's birth parents hold Terri accountable for not sticking around for the whole thing? I haven't read anything intimating that at all, what have I missed?

I've read/heard that Kaine noted Terri took the truck for the purpose of bringing back the science project, but he noted that she didn't stay for that particular whole thing. Outside of that, I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that either birth parent hold Terri accountable for staying for the whole thing.

 

[BeanE]

But, but...she did! Class started at 8:45. That was when the final bell rang. I seriously doubt they let parents stick around until 10:00 a.m. unless they were a known chaperon.

Well that's what I thought all along, that parents would have to leave at the final bell at 8:45, but now Kaine seems to think the parents could stay until 10.

 

[Calliope]

Well that's what I thought all along, that parents would have to leave at the final bell at 8:45, but now Kaine seems to think the parents could stay until 10.

I found her comment confusing too; it's pretty clear that school started at its normal time, with classes breaking up into smaller groups to tour exhibits, but regular classroom activity didn't begin until 10am when the tours were over.

 

[Jules71]

I thought the sign for the science fair said it was from 8 - 10 am, which leads me to believe the public would be welcome that entire time. Kids did go to their classrooms at the regular school start time (8:45) to be put into groups.

Desiree said she thought Terri was going to stay for the entire science fair. I believe she said that on video when she was talking about the call with Terri about Kyron being missing.

 

[Calliope]

I thought the sign for the science fair said it was from 8 - 10 am, which leads me to believe the public would be welcome that entire time. Kids did go to their classrooms at the regular school start time (8:45) to be put into groups.

Desiree said she thought Terri was going to stay for the entire science fair. I believe she said that on video when she was talking about the call with Terri about Kyron being missing.

It could be taken either way, really. The science fair did last until 10, but for that last hour it was classes touring; if I was a skyline parent, I'd think I was supposed to leave by the time the kids went to class (8:45). How chaotic... I hope with the additional security put in place due to this, the school also reconsiders how it handles these events and be a little bit more precise as to who has access and when.

 

[debs]

That's what I'm saying. They seemed to indicate that the SF was kind of a surprise to them, that they didn't have time to plan to attend, but in the same vein, suggest that they had knowledge of when it was, what was going to happen, and how long it would last.

 

[SurfieTX]

That's what I'm saying. They seemed to indicate that the SF was kind of a surprise to them, that they didn't have time to plan to attend, but in the same vein, suggest that they had knowledge of when it was, what was going to happen, and how long it would last.

And then had no clue about the talent show, which was on the very same sign.

 

[Jade]

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered but were the children to take their projects home with them that day?

Surely not because then TMH lollygagging to the bus stop would have been extremely obvious as once the alarm of Kyron missing spread someone would have said well, someone was supposed to pick up Kyron and his display.

He wouldn’t be expected to bring it home by bus if it was too bulky to even fit in the Mustang…..

TMH may not have mentioned much about the SF & TS because K may have expected her to represent the family at the TS and maybe she just didn’t want to do that. TMH put herself in the role of Kyron’s mother and since she was the sahm then I really don’t think it is all that out of line to expect her to continue to be interested in Kyron and his education.

When my husband was between construction jobs and home during the day I expected him to keep up and attend DD school & extra curricular activities because I had to work. I got filled in on goings on and didn’t have to worry with keeping up with appointments, etc. It is very liberating and since my job was important to the household I felt I was still doing my part.

When your child goes to an IB school or a private one then there are lots of these sorts of opportunities and it does put a conflict on the working parents who would like to attend. Those in punch the clock jobs as well as those with high power positions.

All IMO

 

[wvjules]

More science fair confusion...

In 7/30 PC KH stated that the science fair presentations were actually on Thursday and the displays were left up for Friday.

Doens't the school's billboard have the IB Expo listed as 6/4?

What day was the science fair? :waitasec:

 

[SurfieTX]

More science fair confusion...

In 7/30 PC KH stated that the science fair presentations were actually on Thursday and the displays were left up for Friday.

Doens't the school's billboard have the IB Expo listed as 6/4?

What day was the science fair? :waitasec:

This is how I interpreted it. Thursday was for class presentation (like the video we saw of Kyron and the bridge). Friday was for parental viewing from 8 to 10ish.

So, the confusion was IMHO that KH and TH thought Thursday was for parents too, not Friday. Basically had the days switched. Of course, TH could have created that confusion.

Oh, I have so much more to post about this, but I have to go for a bit...

 

[Jo in Calif]

As I stated in the why I think Terry did it thread. Has it been confirmed anywhere, if there is a link please provide, that the students were to be in class at 8:45 and broken into small groups and toured the science fair. I believe the science fair on the 4th was from 8 to 10 for the parents to tour the science fair with their children. I believe LE had asked that no one talk to the media, because they were investigating what Terry had told them, about dropping Kyron at his class, at 8:45, because he was supposed to be there. I think the student or his Gramdna, that talked to the media and told the story about the teacher saying that kyron was in the restroom, started this 8:45 class starting, theory. I think it was a huge red herring, This is MIO.

 

[SunsetHeel]

I think a lot of the confusion is a lack of understanding of what an IB PYP Expo actually represents. Information about the IB PYP program can be found at the following website (I am still new to this forum so I hope I have done this right) I included the websites and the information in the post below. Skyline School in Portland is a candidate school, so the IB format while followed was probably a "new" format for the school. The IB expo is primairly for older students, not the younger students. I think the school included the younger children to prepare them for their "expo" when they get to the higher level. The parents of the younger students would not have had as much information about the process.

Introduction
The Primary Years Programme (PYP) exhibition represents a significant event in the life of a PYP school and student, synthesizing the essential elements of the PYP and sharing them with the whole school community. As a culminating experience it is an opportunity for students to exhibit the attributes of the International Baccalaureate (IB) learner profile that have been developing throughout their engagement with the PYP.

In the students’ final year of the PYP, which occurs in some schools at age 10–11 and in others at age 11–12, there are five units of inquiry and the exhibition*. The exhibition unit takes place under any transdisciplinary theme at the discretion of the school. Students are required to engage in a collaborative, transdisciplinary inquiry process that involves them in identifying, investigating and offering solutions to real-life issues or problems. The central idea selected must be of sufficient scope and significance to warrant a detailed investigation by all students.

*Only IB World Schools offering the PYP are required to participate in the exhibition although candidate schools may choose to do so.

Visit Exhibition guidelines to learn more about...
· Purpose
· Essential features of the exhibition
· Roles in the exhibition
· Organizing the exhibition
· Collaboration within the exhibition
· Staging the exhibition
· The use of ICT
· Practices in the exhibition
· Student guidelines
· PYP exhibition planner
· Monitoring of the exhibition
· Exhibition materials on the OCC
· Exhibition reflection tool
· Samples
http://pypexhibition.ning.com/


Skyline Elementary School in Portland OR
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186

Focus options: Skyline is currently a candidate school for the IB PYP and MYP Programmes.

 

[SurfieTX]

Hmm..I was just re-reading some things and this stood out to me:

"One person who has been asked again about what he saw is Skyline seventh-grader T.K., whose science fair project was on antimatter. He said investigators came back to interview him last week at his home."

"He said when he saw Kyron in the gym he didn’t see Terri Horman with him. He and his family have turned over pictures they took at the science fair to investigators, but they’ve been asked not to disclose the timeframe in which he saw Kyron."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html

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ANTIMATTER: Positrons and antiprotons can individually be stored in a device called a Penning trap, which uses a combination of magnetic field and electric fields to hold charged particles in a vacuum.

http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Antimatter

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Is this project the "cool electric one?"

 

[32beatspersecond]

Hmm..I was just re-reading some things and this stood out to me:

"One person who has been asked again about what he saw is Skyline seventh-grader T.K., whose science fair project was on antimatter. He said investigators came back to interview him last week at his home."

"He said when he saw Kyron in the gym he didn’t see Terri Horman with him. He and his family have turned over pictures they took at the science fair to investigators, but they’ve been asked not to disclose the timeframe in which he saw Kyron."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html

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ANTIMATTER: Positrons and antiprotons can individually be stored in a device called a Penning trap, which uses a combination of magnetic field and electric fields to hold charged particles in a vacuum.

http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Antimatter

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Is this project the "cool electric one?"

is this in response to the alternate theory that Kyron has been vaporized?