The spokeswoman for Casey Anthony's defense team has resigned.

[The World According]

"Liz Brown, a new spokeswoman for the defense would not comment about specific information released today."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-anthony-documents-20100216-1,0,4785241.story

One of my very favorite Abraham Lincoln quotes:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.".

 

[The World According]

"Certainly...she cannot testify" : Brad Conway speaking about Casey to Geraldo.

In this clip, Brad is stating as a fact, not a theory, that the defense has a very good source that Mr. Kronk was in the wooded area on different (additional) days than he said he was. This is the kind of stuff Todd claimed in court, that turns out to be totally unsubstantiated ...it was six months ago they made those claims. Their deadline to produce their witness or proof was two weeks ago...and we are still waiting. THEY DON'T HAVE IT. IF THEY HAD IT THEY WOULD PRODUCE IT. The judge is going to lose patience. This why the defense needs guidance. The defense, and Brad need to speak with one voice, have their facts straight and their one and only comment should be "We have no comment. We are trying this case in the courtroom. Thank you and good day." They should implore upon mom and pop to refrain from commenting, ever , until the trial is resolved. If Lee can remain private...they should take their cues from him, imo.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0[/ame]
Many times when one of the defense members or Brad is on TV, when the host makes comments that are not correct, based on Florida's sunshine laws, for example...they do not correct the host. This makes any comments on the broadcast suspect to the viewer who knows better. Here Geraldo states that the state took the "Unprecedented step to release a recorded conversation between Casey and her parents". What?!!!!

Brad and Geraldo are in agreement that this jailhouse meeting was a "Set up by LE", since Mr. Baez "Gave strict instructions that no more visits were to take place while he was out of town." Wouldn't the easiest way to effectuate his wishes be to call Brad and say..... look this is not in Casey's best interest, tell mom and pop no more visits for now? Clearly, they do not communicate in this manner. Sometimes Brad and Jose disagree in open court for God's sake. That is very ill advised. At least in public , the parents and lawyers should all appear united. They don't need a PR expert to tell them that.... or do they?

In the hearing regarding Dominic, the defense was arguing to the judge about Nejame and a conflict of interest with him representing TES now when he had formerly represented mom and pop. BRAD SHOOK HIS HEAD NO TO THAT. The judge sees all of this... and he can draw inferences just like the rest of us do. Then Mr. Nejame informed the judge that not only is that wholly untrue, he has signed waivers of conflict of interest from both George and Cindy!!!! That is just one example. Clearly they all need to get on the same page before they go out in public and to court appearances. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw[/ame]

To say they need some guidance would be putting it politely.


So many lawyers have publicly opined on this subject, Mr. Sheaffer, our own Mr. Hornsby, many on national talk shows......articles have been written over how much the defense and Casey's family have bumbled public relations and how it harms her case in ways that would be tough to measure.
Like Mr. Nejame, Marti is very learned and capable. The switch is not because they found someone better. It could be financial, or that she threw her hands up and said I give up...or both.

I believe she resigned ;because, she had lost confidence that should could get through to these people. They sabotage themselves and it reflects on her. Long before and long after this case...she has to work in that town and her credibility is her livelihood. Let's not forget how she became involved in this case. IIRC she was publicly opining at the nightmare going on the Todd Black fiasco and how very counterproductive it was to have someone in PR that does not enjoy a legitimate reputation. I trust she thought she could guide them to safer ground. The thing is ...one can not guide someone until they take off their blinders. It was a bottomless pit.
So, she quit. Good for her.


In the words of Mr. Nejame upon his resignation from this case , "Why hire an adviser ....if you are not going to take their advice?"

Listen to this piece of work, Mr. Black...and ask yourself under whose wise judgment was this man was brought on to a case where a girl is on trial for her life. Clearly...it was a misguided decision. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVATAKaV4HQ[/ame] Even a google search could have revealed that this man is a criminal. You just can't make this stuff up!!!!!

According to Mr. Nejame the defense could be nearing the time they declare Casey indigent. WDBO Local NewsIs Casey Anthony's team running out of money?

By Bob Hazen @ February 17, 2010 7:09 AM

The announcement by the spokeswoman for Casey Anthony's defense that she has resigned is raising questions about whether the accused child killer's team is running low on cash.

Marti Mackenzie, a well-known public relations executive, offered no explanation for why she was leaving the case. But high-profile Orlando attorney Mark Nejame says it does make him wonder.
"That would be one of the first places you would look (if money is running out)," Nejame told WDBO. "That's just a luxury and maybe a determination has been made that too much has been spent already."
Anthony's case has dragged on for almost two years, and her attorneys have refused to explain how they're being compensated. Her team includes lawyers and experts from New York, Chicago, and, until recently, California.
Her death penalty-qualified attorney, Andrea Lyon, a Depaul University law professor, was expected to employ students to help in the grunt work on the case. And the new media contact for the team is Liz Brown, identified as being part of Depaul's legal clinic.
Anthony's family was already in serious debt when the case began, and she had no obvious means of supporting herself. Nejame says he believes Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, could have asked a judge to declare her indigent.
"They can always seek to have somebody declared indigent for cost purposes, and then have the county pick up the tab," Nejame said.

more at link www.wdbo.com

 

[Steely Dan]

According to link above.....

Liz Brown, a new spokeswoman for the defense would not comment about specific information released today.

"The photos and documents released today demonstrate the extent of public access to the area where Caylee Anthony's remains were found," Brown said.


So there it is folks......
public access to area where remains were found = SODDI.
No wonder JB wants those records.

It was one of the schoolkids on their way home taking a shortcut.

Bolded by me.

How is the discovery done being exchanged? The defense has not handed anything over to the state yet. There is no witness list yet........the state must have a witness list from the defense in order to depose those people in order to prepare for trial. There is no proof that Caylee was placed in that area while Casey was in jail........this proof will have to be checked out by the state before trial. There is no expert list handed over.......this list also needs to be given to the state before trial. The defense has been ordered to give these things to the state already however the defense has failed to do so. We also have the state wanting to talk to the judge about new information and/or new evidence........information and/or evidence the defense has not yet seen.

There is no reason for a PR person to quit, resign, walk away before a trial even begins. A PR person is needed to handle interview requests, questions, etc. It is very evident that a PR is still needed for this case since a member of the college AL teaches at has now taken over that role. IF the former PR person felt that their job was done, nothing more they could do, then the defense would not have hired a new one. It does seem however that 1 of 2 things is going on right now. 1. The PR person that just quit has decided that they can no longer be a part of this spectacle and has a strong conviction against covering for a guilty person. or 2. AL has decided that the best person for the PR job is someone that she trusts completely and that she knows will have no issue with telling lies to the public to cover for their guilty client. Of course those two reasons are just my opinion but saying that the PR person quit due to nothing to do doesn't make much sense.

What I find hinky is that she didn't even offer a reason. There are many reasons she could have made up; I need to spend more time with my family, I'm writing a book, I want to concentrate on other things...and yet she's completely mum on the whole thing.

Not saying anything makes me think it's something like this; I just found out a lot of stuff about this case that makes me feel slimy for being involved at all, so I'm quitting.

 

[kbl8201]

who cares who had public access to where caylee was found.

the only question that matters is who had access to CAYLEE.

 

[Tuffy]

It was one of the schoolkids on their way home taking a shortcut.



What I find hinky is that she didn't even offer a reason. There are many reasons she could have made up; I need to spend more time with my family, I'm writing a book, I want to concentrate on other things...and yet she's completely mum on the whole thing.

Not saying anything makes me think it's something like this; I just found out a lot of stuff about this case that makes me feel slimy for being involved at all, so I'm quitting.

Yeah, like stuff that the state wants to speak to judge about privately.

 

[zoey]

Yeah, like stuff that the state wants to speak to judge about privately.

I'm not surprised she did leave...whatever way she did--they really werent using her --- jb was still out there talking out of both sides of his mouth as well as others---I can't even remember when she spoke for the "team"---????

I am however getting more curious about other memebers of the "team" that we haven't seen or heard from since I don't know when.......all those other experts.....

 

[Gma Kat]

So the University of DePaul is now the spokesperson for KC ANthony? Really? I realize they stated that the rep was part of AL's team, but If the rep is a university employee doesn't that violate something? I don't like this idea of attorneys using their students or staff to handle private cases. Go ahead and use the experience as a teaching tool, after the fact. But not as acting counsel. Is it me or does that just seem wrong? Aren't public funds used for this? Am I off-base here?

 

[RR0004]

Bolded by me.

How is the discovery done being exchanged? The defense has not handed anything over to the state yet. There is no witness list yet........the state must have a witness list from the defense in order to depose those people in order to prepare for trial. There is no proof that Caylee was placed in that area while Casey was in jail........this proof will have to be checked out by the state before trial. There is no expert list handed over.......this list also needs to be given to the state before trial. The defense has been ordered to give these things to the state already however the defense has failed to do so. We also have the state wanting to talk to the judge about new information and/or new evidence........information and/or evidence the defense has not yet seen.

There is no reason for a PR person to quit, resign, walk away before a trial even begins. A PR person is needed to handle interview requests, questions, etc. It is very evident that a PR is still needed for this case since a member of the college AL teaches at has now taken over that role. IF the former PR person felt that their job was done, nothing more they could do, then the defense would not have hired a new one. It does seem however that 1 of 2 things is going on right now. 1. The PR person that just quit has decided that they can no longer be a part of this spectacle and has a strong conviction against covering for a guilty person. or 2. AL has decided that the best person for the PR job is someone that she trusts completely and that she knows will have no issue with telling lies to the public to cover for their guilty client. Of course those two reasons are just my opinion but saying that the PR person quit due to nothing to do doesn't make much sense.

I think that she offered her services for the same reason many others did...KWIM. I just don't think she realized this may take 5 years out of her life.

 

[SleuthyMama]

So the University of DePaul is now the spokesperson for KC ANthony? Really? I realize they stated that the rep was part of AL's team, but If the rep is a university employee doesn't that violate something? I don't like this idea of attorneys using their students or staff to handle private cases. Go ahead and use the experience as a teaching tool, after the fact. But not as acting counsel. Is it me or does that just seem wrong? Aren't public funds used for this? Am I off-base here?

I don't know if you are right or wrong but I completely agree with you that it seems off. And I don't like it either.

 

[RR0004]

So the University of DePaul is now the spokesperson for KC ANthony? Really? I realize they stated that the rep was part of AL's team, but If the rep is a university employee doesn't that violate something? I don't like this idea of attorneys using their students or staff to handle private cases. Go ahead and use the experience as a teaching tool, after the fact. But not as acting counsel. Is it me or does that just seem wrong? Aren't public funds used for this? Am I off-base here?

Maybe this gal won some kinda lottery that the Law School was having...but ITA...as a parent, I wouldn't want my child "used". Perhaps the spokesperson truly believes this will look good on her resume...again someone else who wants to attach herself to a high profile case for no other reason than what's in it for them. What are you thinking girl?

 

[Oakley]

When Baez did his depo of Kronk, I saw her tagging along with the defense.

last time I remember seeing or hearing from her, though.

Today was just the last straw. heh

Jeez...for a spokesperson she sure wasn't speaking much.

Tee hee...

"Liz Brown, a new spokeswoman for the defense would not comment about specific information released today."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-anthony-documents-20100216-1,0,4785241.story

Guess there is just not much to say for this spokesperson position.

 

[RR0004]

"Certainly...she cannot testify" : Brad Conway speaking about Casey to Geraldo.

In this clip, Brad is stating as a fact, not a theory, that the defense has a very good source that Mr. Kronk was in the wooded area on different (additional) days than he said he was. This is the kind of stuff Todd claimed in court, that turns out to be totally unsubstantiated ...it was six months ago they made those claims. Their deadline to produce their witness or proof was two weeks ago...and we are still waiting. THEY DON'T HAVE IT. IF THEY HAD IT THEY WOULD PRODUCE IT. The judge is going to lose patience. This why the defense needs guidance. The defense, and Brad need to speak with one voice, have their facts straight and their one and only comment should be "We have no comment. We are trying this case in the courtroom. Thank you and good day." They should implore upon mom and pop to refrain from commenting, ever , until the trial is resolved. If Lee can remain private...they should take their cues from him, imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0
Many times when one of the defense members or Brad is on TV, when the host makes comments that are not correct, based on Florida's sunshine laws, for example...they do not correct the host. This makes any comments on the broadcast suspect to the viewer who knows better. Here Geraldo states that the state took the "Unprecedented step to release a recorded conversation between Casey and her parents". What?!!!!

Brad and Geraldo are in agreement that this jailhouse meeting was a "Set up by LE", since Mr. Baez "Gave strict instructions that no more visits were to take place while he was out of town." Wouldn't the easiest way to effectuate his wishes be to call Brad and say..... look this is not in Casey's best interest, tell mom and pop no more visits for now? Clearly, they do not communicate in this manner. Sometimes Brad and Jose disagree in open court for God's sake. That is very ill advised. At least in public , the parents and lawyers should all appear united. They don't need a PR expert to tell them that.... or do they?

In the hearing regarding Dominic, the defense was arguing to the judge about Nejame and a conflict of interest with him representing TES now when he had formerly represented mom and pop. BRAD SHOOK HIS HEAD NO TO THAT. The judge sees all of this... and he can draw inferences just like the rest of us do. Then Mr. Nejame informed the judge that not only is that wholly untrue, he has signed waivers of conflict of interest from both George and Cindy!!!! That is just one example. Clearly they all need to get on the same page before they go out in public and to court appearances.

To say they need some guidance would be putting it politely.


So many lawyers have publicly opined on this subject, Mr. Sheaffer, our own Mr. Hornsby, many on national talk shows......articles have been written over how much the defense and Casey's family have bumbled public relations and how it harms her case in ways that would be tough to measure.
Like Mr. Nejame, Marti is very learned and capable. The switch is not because they found someone better. It could be financial, or that she threw her hands up and said I give up...or both.

I believe she resigned ;because, she had lost confidence that should could get through to these people. They sabotage themselves and it reflects on her. Long before and long after this case...she has to work in that town and her credibility is her livelihood. Let's not forget how she became involved in this case. IIRC she was publicly opining at the nightmare going on the Todd Black fiasco and how very counterproductive it was to have someone in PR that does not enjoy a legitimate reputation. I trust she thought she could guide them to safer ground. The thing is ...one can not guide someone until they take off their blinders. It was a bottomless pit.
So, she quit. Good for her.


In the words of Mr. Nejame upon his resignation from this case , "Why hire an adviser ....if you are not going to take their advice?"

Listen to this piece of work, Mr. Black...and ask yourself under whose wise judgment was this man was brought on to a case where a girl is on trial for her life. Clearly...it was a misguided decision. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVATAKaV4HQ Even a google search could have revealed that this man is a criminal. You just can't make this stuff up!!!!!

According to Mr. Nejame the defense could be nearing the time they declare Casey indigent. WDBO Local NewsIs Casey Anthony's team running out of money?

By Bob Hazen @ February 17, 2010 7:09 AM

The announcement by the spokeswoman for Casey Anthony's defense that she has resigned is raising questions about whether the accused child killer's team is running low on cash.

Marti Mackenzie, a well-known public relations executive, offered no explanation for why she was leaving the case. But high-profile Orlando attorney Mark Nejame says it does make him wonder.
"That would be one of the first places you would look (if money is running out)," Nejame told WDBO. "That's just a luxury and maybe a determination has been made that too much has been spent already."
Anthony's case has dragged on for almost two years, and her attorneys have refused to explain how they're being compensated. Her team includes lawyers and experts from New York, Chicago, and, until recently, California.
Her death penalty-qualified attorney, Andrea Lyon, a Depaul University law professor, was expected to employ students to help in the grunt work on the case. And the new media contact for the team is Liz Brown, identified as being part of Depaul's legal clinic.
Anthony's family was already in serious debt when the case began, and she had no obvious means of supporting herself. Nejame says he believes Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, could have asked a judge to declare her indigent.
"They can always seek to have somebody declared indigent for cost purposes, and then have the county pick up the tab," Nejame said.

more at link www.wdbo.com

Yup...that man (MN) is no dummy. If you make a point of asking for money up front...you must be doing so for a very good reason.

ETA: and yes, I understand that TES is a nonprofit and shouldn't have to go out of pocket for any action the defense takes...but I still think MN knows more.

 

[truckengirl]

who cares who had public access to where caylee was found.

the only question that matters is who had access to CAYLEE.

EXACTLY!!!! Now if KC had in the beginning named Roy Kronk as the babysitter then we could understand he might have had access to Caylee BUT nope it was ZG that she named as babysitter so its a no go on the defense ideal of Roy Kronk being the one that killed Caylee, UNLESS he is a cross dresser and pretended to be ZG, wonder if the defense will go with that theory.

 

[cyberborg]

who cares who had public access to where caylee was found.

the only question that matters is who had access to CAYLEE.

Who had access/control over Caylee AND who had access to the Anthony home.

[However, I got the feeling that LB was poorly referring to the public access to the discovery, i.e., due to the Florida Sunshine Law.]

 

[watcher9]

EXACTLY!!!! Now if KC had in the beginning named Roy Kronk as the babysitter then we could understand he might have had access to Caylee BUT nope it was ZG that she named as babysitter so its a no go on the defense ideal of Roy Kronk being the one that killed Caylee, UNLESS he is a cross dresser and pretended to be ZG, wonder if the defense will go with that theory.

Could he dress up enough to be a "10"... lol

 

[RR0004]

Who had access/control over Caylee AND who had access to the Anthony home.

[However, I got the feeling that LB was poorly referring to the public access to the discovery, i.e., due to the Florida Sunshine Law.]

Maybe...but how did she get the "area where Caylee's remains were found" (my words)?

 

[Capri]

I'm not surprised she did leave...whatever way she did--they really werent using her --- jb was still out there talking out of both sides of his mouth as well as others---I can't even remember when she spoke for the "team"---????

I am however getting more curious about other memebers of the "team" that we haven't seen or heard from since I don't know when.......all those other experts.....

IIRC, the Badens are guest speaking this Thurs. & Fri. at a seminar affiliated with DePaul University. Maybe we'll get lucky and someone will ask them.:waitasec:

2010 Forensic Seminar
WHEN Thursday, February 18 – Friday, February 19, 2010

EVENT SUB-TITLE Forensic Seminar for Capital Defense Attorneys
SPEAKERS Dr. Michael Baden, Linda Kenney-Baden, Carol Brook, Robert Berk, David Klucas, Andrea Lyon, Michael O'Kelly, Mark Pomerance, Dr. Leo Shea, Allen Sincox, Deja Vishny

(Sorry, if Slightly OT)

 

[Capri]

Maybe this gal won some kinda lottery that the Law School was having...but ITA...as a parent, I wouldn't want my child "used". Perhaps the spokesperson truly believes this will look good on her resume...again someone else who wants to attach herself to a high profile case for no other reason than what's in it for them. What are you thinking girl?

Law students at DePaul do pro bono work:

http://www.law.depaul.edu/students/pro_bono/

 

[Tulessa]

Could he dress up enough to be a "10"... lol

LOL@ watcher!

 

[Trapshooter]

"Certainly...she cannot testify" : Brad Conway speaking about Casey to Geraldo.

In this clip, Brad is stating as a fact, not a theory, that the defense has a very good source that Mr. Kronk was in the wooded area on different (additional) days than he said he was. This is the kind of stuff Todd claimed in court, that turns out to be totally unsubstantiated ...

Snipped:

A PERFECT example of PUFFERY!!!
:crazy::crazy::crazy: