Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[Whisperer]

[QUOTE=Bluesky#1;4678518]Perhaps because Ron and Joe are both involved in HaLeigh's disappearance and by not talking they protect their secret and keep themselves from being prosecuted. Isn't there an honour among thieves? I think Ron and Joe are bonded by an allegiance to the group which stays loyal to each other no matter what.
It would be helpful if we knew what Joe did the weekend Misty was with friends and WBG.[/QUOTE]

According to all the wrecks and injuries, he should have been picking up family like roadkill. His cousin Timmy bought a new car (what happened to the old one?)...loans it to his father who smashes it and himself seriously and is taken to hospital. Timmy/chelsea now borrow brother's car, damages that. Misty is running around having sex and drugs with 2/3 of her bestest friends...doesn't go to see how badly her father is hurt. RC's whereabouts are not disclosed ( no surprise here). He goes back to MH later to sit down and discuss misty's wandering ways Sunday night...oh yeah!

Me thinks for some reason tn wants rc and misty covered for Sunday night. No one can verify where they were but TN assures us they were home talking things over....LOL. May teresa could extend herself here (since she seems to know everything) and tell us where rc was all weekend.

Sunday night may be the key. If I ever get confirmation Haleigh was at school, I can give that up. Right now JS is not where I am hanging my hat...subject to change if necessary.

 

[Crosby87]

It would be helpful to know if Ron was out looking for Misty during the weekend that she was partying. Wonder if he happen to see Hank Sr. out and about that weekend and inquired as to Misty's whereabouts?

I don't believe Ron talked to Misty's father because I watched a video where Nay Nay states she overheard several conversations Misty had with Ronald on the phone over the course of the weekend and Misty didn't reveal to Ron where she was as far as I know. Do we know the address of the place where Misty and her friends partied and had sex with men? I think Nay Nay said Misty denied having these types of "private" conversations with Ron in which she agreed to hook up with him next for the purpose of having sex. I am led to believe Ron was content trusting Misty wouldn't let him down and she was coming back when she could. I think Ron kept this information to himself and didn't harrass Hank Sr. about his daughter's whereabouts over the weekend. R & M stayed connected and in touch.

Maybe Misty let a customer into the home Monday evening and they abducted HaLeigh when she threatened to tell Ron?

 

[Whisperer]

Purchased and Damaged vehicles weekend of Feb 7/8.

1. Timmy and Chelsea buy new car on/about Feb 8.
2. They loan it out the same day to Hank sr.
3. Hank gets hit by drunk driver with no insurance; other story is it is a hit and run.
4. Car in shop or totaled (never explained)
5. Chelsea borrows Linsy's car on Sun. Feb 8
6 Chelse drives her MIL to see her husband in hospital on Feb 9. Lisa spends night.
.....note to self...why didn't lisa spend Sunday night when he was allegedly injured?
7...By 4:00am Feb 10, Haleigh is missing.
8. By early morning, Linsey notices that her blue van has damage to the front headlight and a very long scratch along the body. Chelsea knows nothing about it.
9. Ron's Altima appears damaged in rear near tail light.

...On Feb 28, AS goes out a buys a brand new red nissan. Was there a trade in? I bet there was.
...About the same time, RC buys a spanky-clean, used, in excellent condition, GMC Sierra Pick up.

 

[Whisperer]

With all the vehicles and the assumption, each and every one has been thoroughly checked out, we may safely assume, Haleigh was not decomposing in any of them. With no evidence of Haleigh being harmed in the house, it is likely she was harmed elsewhere or she sustained a quick injury (drowning?) and was removed immediately before any chance of evidence occurring.

If she was not transported by boat, and not in any of the cars, then she was walked or carried somewhere. Since misty is such an accomplished liar, it is not possible for me to believe what she says. Since ron backs her up, I can't believe him either. This brings me full circle, once again, to these two knowing exactly what happened to Haleigh.

My problem is that LE says what happened that weekend leads them to beleive it is what made Haleigh disappear. The school thing nullifies that premise for me.

 

[Crosby87]

OT and many other people wanted to crawl into a hole when this happened. My guess is misty may have played a big part in his disappearing.

Can you explain what role Misty played in distancing OT from Ronald? Do you think Misty had an affair with OT behind Ronald's back? Did OT work at PDM with Ronald? Thank you.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

With all the vehicles and the assumption, each and every one has been thoroughly checked out, we may safely assume, Haleigh was not decomposing in any of them. With no evidence of Haleigh being harmed in the house, it is likely she was harmed elsewhere or she sustained a quick injury (drowning?) and was removed immediately before any chance of evidence occurring.

If she was not transported by boat, and not in any of the cars, then she was walked or carried somewhere. Since misty is such an accomplished liar, it is not possible for me to believe what she says. Since Ron backs her up, I can't believe him either. This brings me full circle, once again, to these two knowing exactly what happened to Haleigh.

My problem is that LE says what happened that weekend leads them to believe it is what made Haleigh disappear. The school thing nullifies that premise for me.

I am sorry I don't have the links handy, but I know the following was something that was written on Art Harris site last year.


Not sure if you recall when Nay Nay, I think it was that Cobra picked up from a crack/prostitution house.

Then it was also mentioned that the weekend Misty took off she visited some house where there were Mexicans and there was mention of sex/drug exchange....something to that effect.

Then we know the dogs tracked Haleigh to the water, ended at the rail road track.
Then the search of the Mondex after the tips and letters.

Well, it just keeps nagging at me..what if Misty took Haleigh to a party with her that Monday night? What if Haleigh was taken to the same crack house Nay Nay was picked up at?

I also recall that LE took CS to an abandoned house while they were still camped out near the MH, but they didn't take Ron or Misty.

I just feel that this all started with what Misty was doing that weekend and what Ron did that weekend. These are areas that I wish LE would search again. Just a gut feeling, I am no physic and I don't know the area, but just that feeling.

I also ran across an article earlier today where it was reported that Ron told LE that he had left Jr. and Haleigh in the bed and went to work. Another version that has not been discussed much.

Polygraphs Continue On Haleigh’s Family
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/..._ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

 

[lil momma]

I am sorry I don't have the links handy, but I know the following was something that was written on Art Harris site last year.


Not sure if you recall when Nay Nay, I think it was that Cobra picked up from a crack/prostitution house.

Then it was also mentioned that the weekend Misty took off she visited some house where there were Mexicans and there was mention of sex/drug exchange....something to that effect.

Then we know the dogs tracked Haleigh to the water, ended at the rail road track.
Then the search of the Mondex after the tips and letters.

Well, it just keeps nagging at me..what if Misty took Haleigh to a party with her that Monday night? What if Haleigh was taken to the same crack house Nay Nay was picked up at?

I also recall that LE took CS to an abandoned house while they were still camped out near the MH, but they didn't take Ron or Misty.

I just feel that this all started with what Misty was doing that weekend and what Ron did that weekend. These are areas that I wish LE would search again. Just a gut feeling, I am no physic and I don't know the area, but just that feeling.

I also ran across an article earlier today where it was reported that Ron told LE that he had left Jr. and Haleigh in the bed and went to work. Another version that has not been discussed much.

BBM GOOD FIND!

So i guess i am just gonna ask again, so when did Ron really leave for work if he left the children in bed in the care of Misty? Was it 8pm, when HaLeigh has to be in bed b/c it is a school night?

Way too many conflicting stories, and i for one am not buying any of them.....

 

[MADJGNLAW]

BBM

So i guess i am just gonna ask again, so when did Ron really leave for work if he left the children in bed in the care of Misty? Was it 8pm, when Haleigh has to be in bed b/c it is a school night?

I hear ya lil momma. :banghead::furious:
I ask the same question, and we get no solid answers. LE just said they are satisfied with Ron's work hours. Then after he got fired from PDM they hired security, which made be believe maybe someone gave LE another time frame of his work hours that night and Ron was coming after them. Just speculating here. Then Ron's attorney goes live and gives his :twocents: about what time Ron was at work and the leaving 45min early to get there. Which in that Case he could not of been the one to pick up Haleigh. But that is another story in itself. It just seems that not "ONE" person has been able to tell the truth about what Happen to Haleigh. Except for Haleigh...she is missing and that is all we know. Soo Sad.

 

[LFlorida]

I am going to be the first to confess: my theories have been based primarily on info I have read here and elsewhere on the web. [Somewhat supported by living here, but not a whole lot since I don't know these peeps]

Right now, I think that many, if not most, of us are basing our conclusions on "facts" that might be wholly false. I'm starting to seriously doubt quite a bit of it.

FWIW, if anything, and JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

I am once again reaching my maximum for tolerance of this case. The number of people that choose not to talk about this case is staggering. Why do people listen to such rules? I am choosing to think they just don't want to be involved or they don't care.

It will soon be one year and there is not one arrest or person of interest. LE has not chosen to solicit the public and have discouraged any questions from media or the public. They give no updates and are cryptic in what they do so every so oftern.

It appears to me they are hesistant to charge anyone. They have no evidence that they choose to share. We have received almost every fact of this case through teresa neves. She has given us the time and person at the bus stop all the way up till early Monday morning. Ron has given nothing and misty has told us about the door and Haleigh is missing and she doesn't know when. Ron as at work and TN sent her mother over to deliver clothes.....all may have happened but probably not in the sequence given.

The one person who should know about all the phone calls is TN since the phone was in her name and all she had to do was look on line at the calls and ask her son all about them. She stayed silent. She was Johnny on the spot with her arrival and sheriff sweater, PIC of Haleigh in hand...imagine that!

She doesn't do laundry. It seems GMA Sykes is in charge of child rearing despite TN's claim to live nearby. RC has never mentioned visiting momma in PP, moving in with her after this mess or her watching Haleligh or doing clothes or cooking. No one has ever questioned this. Why not?

I contend it is because SHE doesn't/didn't live in PP but lived in Fruitland Park 80 miles away. Due to this residence, she was unable to get there at 7:00pm when rc called, so she sent her "family member" over (cute choice of words).

My contention is that TN was notified way before 3:33am on Feb 10. She was notified earlier. I have also thought that rc left those kids alone and went off to work and locked them in the house. That may be why GMA was sent there to check on the kids. Misty may have arrived later and all hell broke out.

I don't know, just speculating, but TN, RC and MC should have a pretty good idea of what occurred that day/evening.

I also have to concede that my theory is incorrect because LE is smarter than me and they would have figured this out long ago, so I am lost and without a working theory anymore due to LE and their inability to solve this crime or even talk about it.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am once again reaching my maximum for tolerance of this case. The number of people that choose not to talk about this case is staggering. Why do people listen to such rules? I am choosing to think they just don't want to be involved or they don't care.

It will soon be one year and there is not one arrest or person of interest. LE has not chosen to illilcet the public and have discouraged any questions from media or the public. They give no updates and are cryptic in what they do so every so oftern.

It appears to me they are hesistant to charge anyone. They have no evidence that they choose to share. We have received almost every fact of this case through teresa neves. She has given us the time and person at the bus stop all the way up till early Monday morning. Ron has given nothing and misty has told us about the door and Haleigh is missing and she doesn't know when. Ron as at work and TN sent her mother over to deliver clothes.....all may have happened but probably not in the sequence given.

The one person who should know about all the phone calls is TN since the phone was in her name and all she had to do was look on line at the calls and ask her son all about them. She stayed silent. She was Johnny on the spot with her arrival and sheriff sweater, PIC of Haleigh in hand...imagine that!

She doesn't do laundry. It seems GMA Sykes is in charge of child rearing despite TN's claim to live nearby. RC has never mentioned visiting momma in PP, moving in with her after this mess or her watching Haleligh or doing clothes or cooking. No one has ever questioned this. Why not?

I contend it is because SHE doesn't/didn't live in PP but lived in Fruitland Park 80 miles away. Due to this residence, she was unable to get there at 7:00pm when rc called, so she sent her "family member" over (cute choice of words).

My contention is that TN was notified way before 3:33am on Feb 10. She was notified earlier. I have also thought that rc left those kids alone and went off to work and locked them in the house. That may be why GMA was sent there to check on the kids. Misty may have arrived later and all hell broke out.

I don't know, just speculating, but TN, RC and MC should have a pretty good idea of what occurred that day/evening.

I share your frustration, it is like beating a dead horse to get any valid information out of any of the players involved in this circus. I can't get over no one really coming forward with any truth so that this case can go forward. I think that the Cummings and Croslin families are trying to wait out everyone and hope that eventually people will give up and just go away so that they can continue with their miserable lives. Why can't someone in Law Enforcement come down really, really hard, non-stop until someone gives? Everyone seems to be tip toeing around them so as not to upset them.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron is the type of person that you must walk on eggshells when around him, but I thought LE had more moxy than what they've shown.

I realize this is an extremely litigious clan and thay may keep some hands tied but it has to be more than that. No neighbor, friends of the family, relatives, schoolmates, employers, employees or locals are on camera and talking. They all scatter like rats and cockroackes fleeing a sinking ship. I can't stand it anymore.

 

[Crosby87]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

It may be worth your time to reread this transcript. Information about Misty's cousin, the finding of the pink shirt Haleigh was reported to be wearing, etc. Interesting tidbits. Helps to refresh your memory sometimes and also to see how any stories have changed over time.

Thank you. Here are some VERY IMPORTANT HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS TRANSCRIPT

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED

The following snipped from the transcript is by far the most startling piece of informatin I found which is recorded.


CROSLIN: I don`t trust -- I haven`t spoken to him since he`s left, no.

I was home. I was home. I don`t know where (INAUDIBLE) I wasn`t home. I was home.


QUESTION: Is this a typographical error or Misty’s confession?

New details emerge in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, who police believe was abducted from her own bed. As investigators searched specific areas today, more information is coming out about this alleged cousin who was at the home around the time Haleigh went missing.

QUESTION: Is LE confirming Joe was in HaLeigh’s home late Monday evening? It appears Joe made himself readily available to speak with LE and didn’t make any attempt to run and hide. He stood up to this difficult and challenging situation; Chad Reynolds, a RSO on the other hand has not come forward to talk with LE. Maybe LE should offer an award to anyone who can locate him for them.

Timothy Loucakis, as we mentioned at the top of the show, was arrested for violating his curfew. Now, he was sentenced in 2001 for child abuse and promoting sexual performance by a child. This is a follow-up to his breaking of curfew. They don’t believe this has anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, but they’re doing their follow-up on this just to be sure.

Tidbit: This is the same year Crystal Cummings, Ron's big sister, was arrested for aiding a prisoner to escape.

GLORIA ALLRED, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, it’s really hard to know why they arrested him. Apparently, that’s what they’re saying, and apparently, they have excluded him, as well, because -- since he was in his home wearing an ankle bracelet or other identifying equipment, they were able to pinpoint him as having been at his home or in his yard at the time of HaLeigh’s disappearance. However, when they know that he has no -- that he has committed a curfew violation, then they have to make an arrest because this is a high-profile case.

LE: What we’re concerned about is the fact that we do have a sex predator, Timothy Loucakis, that violated his curfew and wasn’t where he was supposed to be”.

NATISHA LANCE, our producer, also outside the family tent. Natisha, clearing him is based on a timeline given to us by the girlfriend, all right? So you know, we`ve got to confirm that timeline before he can be totally cleared. That`s right, Nancy. But what police are saying right now is that he was in his home zone area, which is within a mile of the Cummings home. Now, they`re also saying that this home zone area is not around the Cummings home. They feel comfortable with where he was at that time.

-- If TL is responsible for HaLeigh's disappearance, I think she would be CLOSE TO HOME/TREES and he may have moved her when the heat was off him.

 

[lonetraveler]

Ron is the type of person that you must walk on eggshells when around him, but I thought LE had more moxy than what they've shown.

I realize this is an extremely litigious clan and thay may keep some hands tied but it has to be more than that. No neighbor, friends of the family, relatives, schoolmates, employers, employees or locals are on camera and talking. They all scatter like rats and cockroackes fleeing a sinking ship. I can't stand it anymore.

It is very surprising to me that employees at PDM have not commented more than the very few at the beginning of this case. Comments on other web sites were supposedly by employees at PDM. No way to know for sure who they were but I have not read any positive comments regarding Ron Cummings from posters who claimed to be employed by PDM. Come to think about it, I haven't read too many comments on the local tv and newpaper sites that were very positive either. Some of these posters claimed to know Ron personally. Let's just say that Ron isn't overwhelmed right now with his friends.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM GOOD FIND!

So i guess i am just gonna ask again, so when did Ron really leave for work if he left the children in bed in the care of Misty? Was it 8pm, when HaLeigh has to be in bed b/c it is a school night?

Way too many conflicting stories, and i for one am not buying any of them.....

I have a hard time believing Ron stayed at work after Misty turned her phone off. If she turned it off at 8:30 pm, then I think that Ron left work and returned home to find out what was going on.

 

[Crosby87]

[QUOTE=Bluesky#1;4678518]Perhaps because Ron and Joe are both involved in HaLeigh's disappearance and by not talking they protect their secret and keep themselves from being prosecuted. Isn't there an honour among thieves? I think Ron and Joe are bonded by an allegiance to the group which stays loyal to each other no matter what.
It would be helpful if we knew what Joe did the weekend Misty was with friends and WBG.[/QUOTE]

According to all the wrecks and injuries, he should have been picking up family like roadkill. His cousin Timmy bought a new car (what happened to the old one?)...loans it to his father who smashes it and himself seriously and is taken to hospital. Timmy/chelsea now borrow brother's car, damages that. Misty is running around having sex and drugs with 2/3 of her bestest friends...doesn't go to see how badly her father is hurt. RC's whereabouts are not disclosed ( no surprise here). He goes back to MH later to sit down and discuss misty's wandering ways Sunday night...oh yeah!

Me thinks for some reason tn wants rc and misty covered for Sunday night. No one can verify where they were but TN assures us they were home talking things over....LOL. May teresa could extend herself here (since she seems to know everything) and tell us where rc was all weekend.Sunday night may be the key. If I ever get confirmation Haleigh was at school, I can give that up. Right now JS is not where I am hanging my hat...subject to change if necessary.

I bet Ron gave his mom the same attitude he gives us, "My personal life is none of your business" and Ron pushed her away when she stood up to him. I believe Ron and his mother's relationship existed in disarray, a disorganized and confused state. Ron likely habitually lies to TN to keep her from knowing the truth of the allegations she hears being made about him.

 

[Crosby87]

I do recall she said something along the lines of "I asked Ron if he had taken Haleigh" when he first pulled up to the MH.
I think this is the link: http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

What Misty said at the start of the LVA test reveals extremely important information.

At the 2:24 minute mark on the LVA test, the forensic hypnotist asked Misty what she knows about hypnosis and her reply was “I heard you guys can make someone say something they didn’t”.

After Misty sits down in her chair, she blinks her eyes profusely, jets her chin out and pulls herself back in the chair. Is she provoking or defending herself in fear of being attacked? IMO Misty didn't reveal what she knows to this hynotist because she believed his purpose was to trick her so she never let her guard down. IMO the LVA test failed for this reason and is inconclusive.

 

[LFlorida]

whips, when we were driving home from dinner tonite, we passed the EOC electronic billboard w/Haleigh's photo on it. One of my kids asked why LE wouldn't just go find her and put [my fave suspects] in jail? We talked about all of the woods between here and the barge canal, and between here and Welaka, and then it hit me...

Ron didn't even live here in his teens, did he? He lived in Lake County, iirc. [His arrest for illegal hunting listed him as a Lake County or Lady Lake resident.]

Wonder how much searching has been done in Lake County?

And in Marion County where Teresa had her wreck?

jmo, but Haleigh is as likely to be found there as anywhere else. [See maps of FL counties.]

 

[Whisperer]

I don't know where he lived in his teens. Must have been 11 moves by then. Maybe AS raised him for awhile in his teens. I imagine he was alot to handle at that time.

 

[Whisperer]

What could have happened to Haleigh?

If we go on the premise that rc was at work and accounted for, for 12 hours, then I will say that most likely misty is responsible for whatever happened. That means rc married her solely to stay out of prison, which makes sense. For any other reason makes him appear complicit in a coverup.

The fact that he never harmed misty is amazing...because if he is of sound mind, he would have had to be curious and anxious about her and if she played a part in his daughter's demise.

The fact that they both have defense attorneys make them both look guilty.