TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

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  • #621
There was a rumor that DB had recently fired an employee, but I don't recall any MSM confirmation of it.

rumor in the same unsubstantiated vein as the abusive ex boyfirend, etc.

Honestly businesses let employees go all the time. It would be quite a stretch to assume some tree trimmer that got cut loose from work would plan this home invasion/kidnapping and if they did they would not keep it a secret or the family would know who it was. Revenge crimes are personal and are meant to send a message, not confuse everyone. It would be easier just to set the family business on fire or something more typical for a disgruntled employee.
 
  • #622
well im no Magellan... but Clint said they went North so that is all I have to go on. Clint did not say they went SSW, NNE, etc. But again its just a ROUGH indication of which way they went. Its probably moot to try to figure out if they were headed 2 degrees one way or 4 degrees another BIG PICTURE. LE has said they know where Holly and camo man entered into the woods. We, however, do not and can only guess.

Perhaps someone can find a survey map with real coordinates?

Actually- I don't believe it to be moot at all. :waitasec:

Holly and her abducter were last seen on foot. Determining precise direction of travel is extraordinarily important.
 
  • #623
As I have surmised I believe now her car was parked in the back of the house, under the pitched roof of the open air car port, not out front . Also, for various investigative reasons, the car may not have been at the house or on the property when these photos were taken.
BBM

I thought about that too. I don't know when the video was actually taken, it was posted on the website according to the date on 4-16, which would have been Saturday.

ETA - The story was dated 4-16, the video could have been from anytime prior to then.
 
  • #624
I am still at a loss as to why family members weren't already running into the woods long before LE showed up...it would be a natural reaction, they all seem to have hunting guns, etc...I am trying to picture what prevented this from happening. I mean, did one LE officer show up initially and forbid anyone entering the woods?? And I would think Clint would be thrashing through the woods, cellphone in hand long before that point. He was the only one who even had a chance to hear/see/stop a vehicle before it evaporated into the mist...

I know someone told a version that had him chasing after them, but I never heard that from Clint?
 
  • #625
I'm sorry if this has been previously discussed. I worked the scanner thread when Holly first went missing. I have watched the family interviews. But the question I have:

Holly reported missing 7:40 am or some time around there
LE and parents to house 8:00 or shortly thereafter

What I have heard/read and I don't remember where:

the search didn't start for hours later
family was not permitted to leave home

no roadblocks
no one permitted to go into the woods

you get where I'm going.........

so is it true, that everyone sat around and waited for TBI?

TIA


Seems like it was bureaucracy at work - waiting around for someone who was in charge to take charge - the more agencies on the scene, the more confusion...
 
  • #626
Perhaps an item or items dropped on a road leading to an interstate, for example, when the perp actually did not take the interstate...but since they don't know where he went, it hardly helps to know where the phone ended up or even to know where it had been...by now, the location of any recovered items is meaningless and if they did not yield any prints or DNA, the items themselves are useless too.

I agree. Aside from her phone, if Holly's items were found dumped (either as a decoy or just to get rid of them), they don't help LE at this time and I don't see how they would have helped the perp much either. If there was a dump decoy motive to control where LE focused first searches, I think the cell phone would have to be included with Holly's items at one of the dump sites to ensure LE would be drawn there (perp would likely expect LE to be all over ping locations right off the bat). IDK, hard to figure out what Mr. Bobo thinks the perp might have been thinking that LE might have been thinking when I can't even figure out if there was or wasn't a turkey at the abduction scene. Don't think there's much validity to the decoy theory. JMO...

So curious though as to whether LE has Holly's cell phone. If so, it's possible they were able to gather clues from it that they couldn't get from the service provider/phone records; via saved text messages, pix, voice mail messages, possible internet history if the phone was equipped, etc... Imo, there must be a reason LE won't confirm or deny locating the cell phone, even to the family...
 
  • #627
Actually- I don't believe it to be moot at all. :waitasec:

Holly and her abducter were last seen on foot. Determining precise direction of travel is extraordinarily important.

you might be making this more complicated than it is or we just have different interpretations of things. We know Clint said they were going in a general direction of North. LE has said where they entered the woods although we do not. We know based on the layout of the house and rouglhy what direction they were going where they were probably spotted.

I do not imply anything else in saying they went in the general direction of North. Not sure how else to put it. I am not a surveyor or a map maker nor do I know exactly how the house is oriented in relationship to the road, magnetic north, due north, etc. If they were travelling 2 degrees north north east or five degrees north north west, I am sorry...

In the future I will not bother to work with photos or make any diagrams that indicate the direction they were believed to have gone IN GENERAL.
 
  • #628
rumor in the same unsubstantiated vein as the abusive ex boyfirend, etc.

Honestly businesses let employees go all the time. It would be quite a stretch to assume some tree trimmer that got cut loose from work would plan this home invasion/kidnapping and if they did they would not keep it a secret or the family would know who it was. Revenge crimes are personal and are meant to send a message, not confuse everyone. It would be easier just to set the family business on fire or something more typical for a disgruntled employee.

I disagree with your last statement. We've seen disgruntled employees murder coworkers execution style. Disgruntled employees kidnapping their bosses, disgruntled employees kidnapping the children of their bosses. There is actually one current case in the UK I believe. 3 or 4 young adults kidnapped a 3 year old. Thankfully, the child was found alive.

It was a theory and nothing should be discounted at this point. Anything is possible. Perhaps even someone who may have worked at the home doing repairs or the pool boy. If I was LE, I'd be questioning anyone who had been at the home and anyone who works or worked for Mr. Bobo.
 
  • #629
Seems like it was bureaucracy at work - waiting around for someone who was in charge to take charge - the more agencies on the scene, the more confusion...

or trying to figure out CB's version of events.
 
  • #630
I disagree with your last statement. We've seen disgruntled employees murder coworkers execution style. Disgruntled employees kidnapping their bosses, disgruntled employees kidnapping the children of their bosses. There is actually one current case in the UK I believe. 3 or 4 young adults kidnapped a 3 year old. Thankfully, the child was found alive.

It was a theory and nothing should be discounted at this point. Anything is possible. Perhaps even someone who may have worked at the home doing repairs or the pool boy. If I was LE, I'd be questioning anyone who had been at the home and anyone who works or worked for Mr. Bobo.

That is true but also the most extreme examples. How many people are fired every day of the year and do not do this? And again in this small, close knit community it seems like something of that nature would be known to the Bobos and the community at large. I think in a lot of the extreme cases the suspect is caught because it is so obvious.

I feel this is someone under the radar to the Bobos...
 
  • #631
Usually if a person is kidnapped as an act of revenge against someone or something, they want people to know about it, or else the point is kind of lost...they would want to taunt the victim's family, for instance.
 
  • #632
Usually if a person is kidnapped as an act of revenge against someone or something, they want people to know about it, or else the point is kind of lost...they would want to taunt the victim's family, for instance.

right that was my point. im sure if you look hard enough you can find examples of just about any kind of revenge crime, but to me the whole idea of revenge is to send a message... not confuse everyone.

Also... and this is just an assumption... the Bobo's seem like good, hard working, Christian folks. I have not heard anything negative said about any of them, and even now they have a tremendous amount of community support for their missing daughter. It seems to me that a guy like Dana probably runs a ship shape business, hires decent people to work with him, and is probably a fair boss and good to work with. Not necessarily who I would consider to be the target of a disgruntled employee. Now, if everyone in the neighborhood hated him, said how bad he was to work with, that he fired people for no reason or owed them back pay or screwed them out of benefits, etc. then yeah I can see that as a potential motive, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.
 
  • #633
I am still at a loss as to why family members weren't already running into the woods long before LE showed up...it would be a natural reaction, they all seem to have hunting guns, etc...I am trying to picture what prevented this from happening. I mean, did one LE officer show up initially and forbid anyone entering the woods?? And I would think Clint would be thrashing through the woods, cellphone in hand long before that point. He was the only one who even had a chance to hear/see/stop a vehicle before it evaporated into the mist...

I know someone told a version that had him chasing after them, but I never heard that from Clint?

No one and I mean no one would have stopped my ex-husband from grabbing a gun, getting on a four wheeler and traveling in the general direction.

Something is not right; we are missing an important fact/reason....

Didn't the dogs finally show up and only tracked to the edge of woods? or do I have two cases confused???
 
  • #634
you might be making this more complicated than it is or we just have different interpretations of things. We know Clint said they were going in a general direction of North. LE has said where they entered the woods although we do not. We know based on the layout of the house and rouglhy what direction they were going where they were probably spotted.

I do not imply anything else in saying they went in the general direction of North. Not sure how else to put it. I am not a surveyor or a map maker nor do I know exactly how the house is oriented in relationship to the road, magnetic north, due north, etc. If they were travelling 2 degrees north north east or five degrees north north west, I am sorry...

In the future I will not bother to work with photos or make any diagrams that indicate the direction they were believed to have gone IN GENERAL.

Definately just a different interpretation- and please do not stop working with photos or diagrams- they are very helpful for many!

I was simply stating (perhaps poorly) that because Holly and her abductor were last seen traveling on foot; and because SAR dogs were used initially- that it is critically important to know the exact coordinates of where CB saw Holly and her abductor entering the woods.
'North' may mean one thing to CB, but another for SAR. It may mean something else entirely to people viewing shots of the residence taken from the air.

So I just wanted to further clarify the direction of travel that was taken.
 
  • #635
Definately just a different interpretation- and please do not stop working with photos or diagrams- they are very helpful for many!

I was simply stating (perhaps poorly) that because Holly and her abductor were last seen traveling on foot; and because SAR dogs were used initially- that it is critically important to know the exact coordinates of where CB saw Holly and her abductor entering the woods.
'North' may mean one thing to CB, but another for SAR. It may mean something else entirely to people viewing shots of the residence taken from the air.

So I just wanted to further clarify the direction of travel that was taken.

well not to belabor this any more but LE does know where they entered the woods. We, however, do not. We do know roughly (in terms of N, S, E, W) what direction they went.

Non of us are on site. None of us have a real survey map. All we know is the hous is roughly oriented North South and Clint said they went North.

I dont know how else to describe what direction they are belived to have gone.

supposedly dogs couldnt find a trail to follow. I assume LE figured out where they went into the trees based on Clint showing them.

After Holly and camo man left Clint's line of sight, I do not know at all where they went. Clint, in his rambling statement to JVM implied the trails in the woods lead to a logging road and to where the lunch bag was found. I think more likely he had a car off Swan Johnson road just a little bit above the house. But who knows. I don't want to say that part is not important, it is. But my comments so far have been about the garage, the back of the house, and where Clint did see them, not where they ultimately went off to. Pretty much my sole focus of interest is what was witnessed. What happened in the garage and back yard. Because aside from that, everything else is 100 percent speculative at this point. My interest is in, say, an area 100 feet in all directions from the house. thats it, for now.

:twocents:
 
  • #636
More than ever LE needs to hold a press conference and explain to the public a coherent and linear timeline for the abduction of Holly, and maybe clear up some discrepancies so the public could help with more reliable tips.

I realize TBI is handling this case, but maybe they can take a cue from the FBI:

"That’s where the public comes in. The FBI has always relied on tips and other assistance from the public to solve crimes, and although breaking a code may represent a special circumstance, your help could aid the investigation." http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911

My Speculation Only: Maybe LE is looking in one direction – toward the Bobo family. Seems that would cause a lot of mistrust with both sides, LE and the Bobo’s.
 
  • #637
Picture of back of house. Can see pool and house behind it, but other side obscured by a tree:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...obo -TN-/?action=view&current=41711home1.jpg

ETA: Picture looks to be from this video. Two moving shots of back of house. Not a whole lot more helpful:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/16/earlyshow/saturday/main20054568.shtml

Thanks for posting that second link. I thought CB had just changed his story, but this article was dated 4/16..... and it quotes.... Now they say, someone walked her away, and that her brother called 911 after spotting blood outside the house.
 
  • #638
I believe in my own thoughts (dangerous..lol) that Holly's cell was found at a rock quarry.
I had friends years ago that worked in the quarries of Decatur County.
As far as the "turkey situation", I don't hunt but I am the only member of my family that doesn't. My brother was turkey hunting the week Holly was taken, about 25 miles from there.
ETA that if the perp was taking Holly in a generally Northern direction, that would have been towards Camden. But also I-40.
There were pictures I saw of Holly with a horse.
The trail that goes around the house looks like the kind of trail my horses made when I was a kid. Also like they were used by ATV's.
KB says that Sundays were "mine and Holly's...we'd go to church, have lunch and then see a movie or go ride ATV's" (my words).
The pictures of HB often show her in Camo.
This is so common in our area.
I know to others in many parts of the country it seems like Barney Fife is in charge here. This would explain why the "local who is obsessively washing a vehicle/missing from work/changing his schedule" hasn't been caught, in a community of about 2500.
Even though I remain in the small minority, I don't believe we are dealing with a "local" perp or anyone who has changed his schedule.
I think this man saw Holly, wanted her and stalked her home throughout the winter months.
I think he is above average in intelligence and LE profilers realize this. He is, IMO, familiar with military/LE/medical fields and knows how to mislead.
Obfuscation is his strong point. And Holly is alive.
To be blunt, if she were dead, dogs would have found her by now.
There was an early local report that there was another girl, besides the one in Centerville, that was approached very near to Darden a couple of weeks before Holly was taken. That the perp claimed he was there to assess recent storm damage, when there was none. This is merely a story, unsubstantiated by LE, that is being heard in this area of West Tennessee.
I was in Decatur County for a couple of days this past week. People there believe Holly is alive.
Then I revisited the area around LadyFinger Bluffs and some of the obscure areas that contain caves I dare not go into at my age.
I found myself driving off of I-40 at the Lobelville/Linden exit and heading back down 13 all the way over Lick Creek to Linden. Beautiful area.
All along I have thought this very near area is a likely one for Holly to be in. And she was taken on the 13th.
All just my thoughts as someone who spent many summers in her home area growing up tho I am now nearing 50.
 
  • #639
There was an early local report that there was another girl, besides the one in Centerville, that was approached very near to Darden a couple of weeks before Holly was taken. That the perp claimed he was there to assess recent storm damage, when there was none. This is merely a story, unsubstantiated by LE, that is being heard in this area of West Tennessee.
I was in Decatur County for a couple of days this past week. People there believe Holly is alive.

Did they say what this guy looked like: build, weight, height, hair color, etc.?
 
  • #640
Did they say what this guy looked like: build, weight, height, hair color, etc.?

Again unsubstantiated local belief, but dressed in Camo and of the same general discription of the now-updated perp who took Holly.
The rumor was circulating for weeks before MSM talked about "another young woman who was an intended victim before Holly".
And then there were the MSM reports of the woman in Centerville.
I still don't believe she was the one that locals were referring to before. She doesn't seem to fit the same profile as Holly, IMHO. She also had been up late at night with her, I believe, live-in boyfriend.
A perp who was a "watcher" like this one would have known that the Centerville woman either lived with her boyfriend or was rarely alone.
The reports coming in around the Jackson area, where the creep that was stalking girls at Union University was arrested after HB's abduction, were that there was a young woman who was a "ringer" for HB that was home alone and was awoken by someone on her property.
She confronted him and he said he was there to assess storm damage for an insurance claim.
There had been many bad storms in the weeks before but there was no claim filed for anything on her family's property and the insurance company had sent no appraiser.
The story went that she lived within 10 miles of Holly.
This should not be taken as fact, but it was talked about locally for weeks before the woman in Centerville came forward.
Also that there was an abandoned shack near Natchez Trace where some items belonging to HB were discovered in the days following by searchers.
Thought to be where she was kept the first night.
I tend to agree with the locals on this. But I am stubborn and don't often believe that logic is so simple as we think.
JMO:twocents:
 
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