TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[Chili Fries]

This video capture seems to me to show that there is not a garage on the front of the house. You can see there is a window not a garage door. Maybe it was the garage that was converted to a living space. So that means there is only the open carport attached to the back of the house:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/6018738417_053d130131_b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DFyfIOE5A

 

[Carla Lashelle]

This video capture seems to me to show that there is not a garage on the front of the house. You can see there is a window not a garage door. Maybe it was the garage that was converted to a living space. So that means there is only the open carport attached to the back of the house:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/6018738417_053d130131_b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DFyfIOE5A

That area to the left of the front door is the garage... it was enclosed and is now, aparently, more of a living space. I assume when it was enclosed (and I assume the original old garage doors would have been by the side of the front door) the open air carport was added into the back.

This is one of the photos, or close to one, that I used to make my sketches of the house earlier today.

 

[lonetraveler]

Whats really whack is that its rare to have a witness and yet the story the witness has provided is so convoluted and contradictory. Since there is only one witness there should only be one story. Its not like 9 people saw this and have 9 different interpretations of what happened. And I have yet to see an A-Z non stop telling of what happened. It has always been coaxed out in little snippets that are disjointed and seemingly out of sequence. There is no free flow of information. No one in the family sits down and just talks uninterrupted from start to finish.

Wow, reading your post really brought back the Haleigh Cummings case and Misty Croslin's accounting of the events leading up to the infamous 911 call. Maybe that is why I'm having such difficulty with what should be "clear" information. This information is anything but "clear". :banghead:

 

[SNOWINMEMPHIS]

I also believe that this was once a front-entered garage that was converted to living space and that there is a carport in back of the house and a shed for equipment further back.

 

[Chili Fries]

If I remember right, the woman in Centreville, Heather Sullivan, described her attacker as skinny, so that made me think it's probably not the same guy. SNOW is right that she lived with her boyfriend, who was inside at the time. I wrote a summary of the account she gave of the attack on her public Facebook wall but unfortunately it seems to have been deleted even though I paraphrased it. Heather's attack did take place very early in the morning, between 5 and 6, when it was dark.

 

[Chili Fries]

Wow, reading your post really brought back the Haleigh Cummings case and Misty Croslin's accounting of the events leading up to the infamous 911 call. Maybe that is why I'm having such difficulty with what should be "clear" information. This information is anything but "clear". :banghead:

I still don't see any contradictory information. We've only gotten the one firsthand report from Clint, and his story makes sense to me. All the other accounts of Clint's story are secondhand which makes them unreliable to some extent.

 

[lonetraveler]

I still don't see any contradictory information. We've only gotten the one firsthand report from Clint, and his story makes sense to me. All the other accounts of Clint's story are secondhand which makes them unreliable to some extent.

Are you referring to the recent interview on JVM or an earlier one?

 

[Chili Fries]

Are you referring to the recent interview on JVM or an earlier one?

The JVM interview. I believe that's the only time Clint has given his account.

 

[concentric]

Again unsubstantiated local belief, but dressed in Camo and of the same general discription of the now-updated perp who took Holly.
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Can you please give me your personal assessment about the possibilities of this fugitive (that I've posted about before). Seems to match up with a lot of the traits, physical description of the abductor:

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

 

[Carla Lashelle]

The JVM interview. I believe that's the only time Clint has given his account.

Well since Clint is the only witness ANY account we have gotten from LE and the Family since day one is based on what Clint said. And how many different stories do we have. In recent weeks the family has made several public TV appearances (good!!) but each time they tell the story it is different from previous stories.

For example, if the stories are not contradictory or confusing, how come we did not know until the other day that Clint saw camo man TWICE, and that camo man and Holly were in the garage and that things reported to have been found outside like the blood were also inside.

 

[SNOWINMEMPHIS]

Again unsubstantiated local belief, but dressed in Camo and of the same general discription of the now-updated perp who took Holly.
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Can you please give me your personal assessment about the possibilities of this fugitive (that I've posted about before). Seems to match up with a lot of the traits, physical description of the abductor:

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

Good pick!!! He is older as I think our perp in this case is. He killed his wife and has alluded LE for all this time.
Him or someone like Fisher on the top 10 list.
Not a "local" who would be missed in the community.
I think the perp made himself an off-the-grid local for at least the fall/winter months before taking Holly.
He is, as Fisher, experienced with LE and survivalist living.
I think LE knows they are dealing with an experienced man who is higher in intelligence and has traveled a lot. Maybe even a recently-returned veteran.
Thanks for the link!!!
Always JMO

 

[Chili Fries]

Well since Clint is the only witness ANY account we have gotten from LE and the Family since day one is based on what Clint said. And how many different stories do we have. In recent weeks the family has made several public TV appearances (good!!) but each time they tell the story it is different from previous stories.

For example, if the stories are not contradictory or confusing, how come we did not know until the other day that Clint saw camo man TWICE, and that camo man and Holly were in the garage and that things reported to have been found outside like the blood were also inside.

I've followed a lot of these cases and reporting seems generally somewhat unreliable. When information gets passed on it's starts being a game of telephone. Clint's account on JVM is straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. So this is what I can go with:

- Clint is asleep.

- Neighbor hears a scream.

- Dog inside the house starts barking so he wakes up.

- Clint looks outside and sees, and hears, two silhouettes in the carport

- Clint calls his mom to see if somebody is supposed to be at the house. She tells him Holly should be home. He figures it's Holly and her boyfriend.

- He looks outside again and sees Holly and a man in camo walking into the woods. He assumes it's Holly and her boyfriend.


From there it gets unclear but I think that's just because he wasn't interviewed well by JVM. When he found the blood, how he reacted to it, the sequence of the 911 calls (did he talk to his mom again after she called Holly's boyfriend). Unfortunately we haven't got a fix on all of that stuff but I think it's more from not hearing it firsthand from the people involved than anything else.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Variations in the story to date:

The very first news reports mentioned Holly being grabbed in her garage or car port and dragged into the woods.

Then the reports were clarified and it was said that Clint saw them walking into the woods.

Then it was added by LE that Holly felt that she was in great danger and that she was being lead forcefully.

Clint said no they were just walking

Blood was found in the carport (which is outside of the house)

Blood found was "a small amount", flecks, across the front yard...

Blood was found by Holly's car in the Driveway, along with a spilled can of Coke

Clint heard unidentified voices outside (he said he they were strange or stranger voices. He didnt say it was his sister talking with a stranger, which is an odd detail)

Clint said he could not identify the silhouettes in the garage.

Clint now saw Holly and "her boyfriend" aka camo man in the garage, kneeling.

Clint calls his mom to find out who is in the garage and yard (although he had just said it was Holly and her b/f)

Blood was found in the garage.

Clint now saw Holly and camo man walking aparently casually away from the house towards the woods.

Clint decides it was NOT Holly's b/f in the garage (I assume after talking with his mom one or more times?)

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I've followed a lot of these cases and reporting seems generally somewhat unreliable. When information gets passed on it's starts being a game of telephone. Clint's account on JVM is straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. So this is what I can go with:

- Clint is asleep. YES

- Neighbor hears a scream. NO, not at this time was later

- Dog inside the house starts barking so he wakes up. YES
- Clint looks outside and sees, and hears, two silhouettes in the carport
NO He looked into the garage which is enclosed and a part of the house.

- Clint calls his mom to see if somebody is supposed to be at the house. She tells him Holly should be home. He figures it's Holly and her boyfriend.

NO he stated he thought it was Holly and her b/f but mom said no Holly was at school

- He looks outside again and sees Holly and a man in camo walking into the woods. He assumes it's Holly and her boyfriend. YES


From there it gets unclear but I think that's just because he wasn't interviewed well by JVM. When he found the blood, how he reacted to it, the sequence of the 911 calls (did he talk to his mom again after she called Holly's boyfriend). Unfortunately we haven't got a fix on all of that stuff but I think it's more from not hearing it firsthand from the people involved than anything else.

You are right it gets confusing with the timing of the calls, etc. A big problem with the story is it is not told in its entirety but rather is told piece meal and out of sequence, with many interruptions, side tracks, etc.

Remember too for three months Clint's story was he woke up, looked out the window, and saw Holly walking into the woods...

Even with the JVM interview I found when I have cut n pasted sections here I had to in some cases move parts around to make them flow sequentially. The way a lot of this has been reported would equate to telling the punch line of a joke then going back over the joke itself backwards.

 

[Chili Fries]

You make some excellent points Carla.

Honestly we don't know when the scream occurred relative to Clint waking up, but I just put it before because it probably makes sense then.

Do we really think Holly's abductor was in the house? Seems obvious that the garage he's talking about is what we are calling the carport. It's the only place attached to the house where cars can be parked. Being open it's a place where silhouettes can be logically be seen from inside.

He says he knew the reason Holly was at home was that she was supposed to be in school. Maybe normally she stayed with her boyfriend. I don't know. The important thing to me though is that Clint didn't know Holly could have been at home until he talked to his mom:


And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

 

[Oriah]

well not to belabor this any more but LE does know where they entered the woods. We, however, do not. We do know roughly (in terms of N, S, E, W) what direction they went.

Non of us are on site. None of us have a real survey map. All we know is the hous is roughly oriented North South and Clint said they went North.

I dont know how else to describe what direction they are belived to have gone.

supposedly dogs couldnt find a trail to follow. I assume LE figured out where they went into the trees based on Clint showing them.

After Holly and camo man left Clint's line of sight, I do not know at all where they went. Clint, in his rambling statement to JVM implied the trails in the woods lead to a logging road and to where the lunch bag was found. I think more likely he had a car off Swan Johnson road just a little bit above the house. But who knows. I don't want to say that part is not important, it is. But my comments so far have been about the garage, the back of the house, and where Clint did see them, not where they ultimately went off to. Pretty much my sole focus of interest is what was witnessed. What happened in the garage and back yard. Because aside from that, everything else is 100 percent speculative at this point. My interest is in, say, an area 100 feet in all directions from the house. thats it, for now.

:twocents:

BBM:

With all due respect, we do not know who is, or has been, onsite. We do know that LE reads here.

The area surrounding the home is of great importance, imo. Thus the specificity of direction of travel.

Perhaps someone could pull up the plat; and help determine from that what the possibilities are re: statements made, and possible routes of travel?

 

[SNOWINMEMPHIS]

If one of us who posts here had been on site, we wouldn't be at liberty to disclose that info, unless we had been certified as a "certified local" by the mods, IMO.
And that is just MO.
BBL, gonna take a nap and try to refocus. On Holly. Her family. And that she makes it through like Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Dugard did.
It is possible and as long as it is, Holly is alive to me.

 

[concentric]

I've posted over and over again that I think Clint said "garage" when he meant "carport" on the recent JVM program. I figured that he saw out the window of the house over to the carport where he saw the silhouettes or shadows of the figures. I said that would logically explain his descriptions.

At exactly 1:37 in the video below, you can make out from the aerial photograph how the carport roof is open as you face it on the lh side. It is very fleeting:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo...d-dragged-woods-camouflaged/story?id=13375662

In this video, it is said Holly was taken from the carport. In this video it says Holly was going to her car. After the carport image, you see ATV's on what may be the logging road referenced.

I did take a screen shot of the carport, but couldn't get it over here.

 

[concentric]

You make some excellent points Carla.

Honestly we don't know when the scream occurred relative to Clint waking up, but I just put it before because it probably makes sense then.

Do we really think Holly's abductor was in the house? Seems obvious that the garage he's talking about is what we are calling the carport. It's the only place attached to the house where cars can be parked. Being open it's a place where silhouettes can be logically be seen from inside.

He says he knew the reason Holly was at home was that she was supposed to be in school. Maybe normally she stayed with her boyfriend. I don't know. The important thing to me though is that Clint didn't know Holly could have been at home until he talked to his mom:
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Here's my post from much earlier:

This is JMO - Clint isn't speaking in a linear timeline of his thoughts as they occurred. That is why this is confusing. He saw the silhouettes through the window of the house either through the walls of the structure as it could have been made of a material that sunlight could penetrate through from one side, casting shadows on another side, or reflected onto an opposing surface. He sees the figures kneeling over something large. He just woke up, so he is groggy and his mind is making sense of what he is seeing by referencing familiar objects, people. He thinks the larger figure could be Holly's bf and they are kneeling over a large object (I think it is a pack the perp. has brought with him and possibly he is putting the objects Holly dropped into the pack.) Clint is still not clear on what is going on. When he sees them emerge from the carport, he sees the guy dressed in camo. his mind goes to thinking it's Holly's bf. Didn't he say he called the mom at this point? He now has questions because he learns that Holly's bf could be somewhere else. So, he goes to the carport. He sees the blood on the ground and puts the silhouette of the large object, and the camo. together to equal that it was probably a turkey that Holly's bf had been showing her that caused the blood stain. But he becomes uncomfortable when he learns from his mom or someone that it wasn't her bf because he was somewhere else at the time, and her car is still there, so he knows she didn't go with him.

I admit I have not seen the JVM segment, only read the transcript.

 

[Darcyline]

The scream does make more sense to place it earlier, but I am just not able to convince myself that that a scream so loud it reached a neighbor that isn't even that close to the house and was loud and clear enough to alarm that neighbor into calling someone's mom and/or 911 didn't wake CB at all from...what? 10-20 feet away? Would a barking dog even wake him up if the scream didn't?

Once again, I honestly think the strangeness with the stories is coming from some misreporting and then maybe misspeaking especially since certain words and regional dialects use words differently (Carry and "drug" can mean very different things depending on where you live). However, from the general idea of what we know I am just baffled as to what type of abduction this is and what type of perp would do it. It seems like the perp did some things that didn't make sense-why? What does that tell us? I have no idea, but I feel like there is one little idea or thought or connection that would suddenly make everything make sense.

Oh, and when I went to bed yesterday I had a very strong feeling that she really may be alive. I know that isn't statistically probable at all, but yeah.