TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[shefner]

Clint said very clearly in the JVM article that Holly and camo man were in the garage and that it was attached to the house. It seems that the car port is an open structure behind the garage on the back of the house.

The direction that Clint saw Holly and camo man walking was North which is in the opposite direction from the garage and car port, which are on the South end of the house.

So it would stand to reason that Clint had to be talking on a portable phone in order to walk through the house and see them in the garage at one side of the house...and then see them going towards the woods on the north side of the house.

 

[~n/t~]

Clint does not say the car is in the garage, which by previous accounts was enclosed and is used as house/living space and not for storing cars. Now exactly where Hollys car was is up for interpretation. I don't think it is of super importance at least based on what we now know. The blood was found in the garage. I think also the local that used to post here pointed out that while the garage was enclosed and now more like just part of the house proper, it was still referred to as the "garage".

What is frustrating is that prior reports have placed her car in the drive way or on the car port. The more detailed accounting of what happened that came out in July said the car was in the driveway in front of the house.

Ultimately none of what Clint saw involved the car from what we can tell, so its sort of moot at this time.

I think it does raise questions as to what may have happened. In other words, did Holly come out of the garage (is there a door from inside the house leading to the garage?) to go to her car that was parked in the driveway or did she go out from the front door and was headed towards her car? If the first scenario is true, perhaps the perp's intention was not to take Holly but a home invasion as previously speculated by LE and he was caught offguard by Holly's presence outside? Was that Holly's usual time to leave the house or did she leave early because she was scheduled for an exam that morning? He probably had to rid of her because she may have recognized who he was hence the alleged theory that the perp is from the area?

Throwing out theories.....wish we had more answers. :sigh:

There have been articles speculating the perp may be a serial killer. The similarities to two other missing women

http://www.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979650794

 

[~n/t~]

Clint said very clearly in the JVM article that Holly and camo man were in the garage and that it was attached to the house. It seems that the car port is an open structure behind the garage on the back of the house.

The direction that Clint saw Holly and camo man walking was North which is in the opposite direction from the garage and car port, which are on the South end of the house.

In your opinion, why do you think he was headed the opposite direction? Less noticeable? Wouldn't that have taken more time?

 

[~n/t~]

It would be interesting to know if anyone left the dad's company (employee) around the time Holly went missing?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

So it would stand to reason that Clint had to be talking on a portable phone in order to walk through the house and see them in the garage at one side of the house...and then see them going towards the woods on the north side of the house.

I mentioned something to that effect yesterday. Not exactly clear on his actual behaviour.

It seems like he heard the sounds, saw them in the garage, then went away and called his Mom. Then at some point later he was in a different part of the house and looked out a window and saw them walking away. He does not seem to have kept them in his sight for any period of time, which is odd.

Something just bothers me...

He was curious as to who was outside talking. He described the voices as being strangers. Then he says he saw Holly and Drew in the garage. Then he wonders who is in the garage and calls his mom. Then he sees Holly and camo man walking away. At some point then he decides it is not Drew but someone else.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

In your opinion, why do you think he was headed the opposite direction? Less noticeable? Wouldn't that have taken more time?

Well I assume they went that way because thats where the suspect came from. He didn't get to Holly's house out of the blue. I guess he had a vehicle parked somewhere up the road from the house. That is why also he wouldn't stuff Holly in her own car and drive off. He had his own vehicle near by. I also suspect the events happened at the South side of the house because thats 1) where Holly would have exited the house that morning or 2) where the suspect might have gained easier entry to the garage or house itself, if that were a motive.

Most people keep the front door locked. Sneaking around to the back of the house he would have more cover up under what I think is a car port on the back. There may very well be a door to the garage back there too.

For what its worth one of the aerial helicopter videos of the house shows people (investigators) walking around or doing things on the back side of the house as opposed to the front/driveway side.

 

[~n/t~]

Well I assume they went that way because thats where the suspect came from. He didn't get to Holly's house out of the blue. I guess he had a vehicle parked somewhere up the road from the house. That is why also he wouldn't stuff Holly in her own car and drive off. He had his own vehicle near by. I also suspect the events happened at the South side of the house because thats 1) where Holly would have exited the house that morning or 2) where the suspect might have gained easier entry to the garage or house itself, if that were a motive.

Most people keep the front door locked. Sneaking around to the back of the house he would have more cover up under what I think is a car port on the back. There may very well be a door to the garage back there too.

For what its worth one of the aerial helicopter videos of the house shows people (investigators) walking around or doing things on the back side of the house as opposed to the front/driveway side.

The front driveway side was where her car was....allegedly, right? I wonder if Holly was the one who heard something and went to check? But then why would she have her school stuff and lunch? Ugh.:banghead:

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I have had to adjust what I think happened based on new/changing/contradictory information... But overall it is the same as what I have thought all along, for the last 4 months. Mind you my interpretation is based on 1) being a survivor of a home invasion/assault 2) trying to look only at real evidence or details or to 3) make logical assumptions based on what most people do or how other similar crimes do or do not go down.


Background: I think the suspect somehow knew Holly. There is evidence perhaps that someone had been waiting for her or watching for her outside her school. Le searched the road and area in front of her school looking for evidence of something/someone. Perhaps small details like a cigarette butts from where someone stalked Holly at school matching with a pile of butts found in the treeline by Holly's house? That would imply someone was targeting Holly in particular and a random robbery attempt, etc. I do not think it was someone Holly knew. And when I say knew I mean assocaited with. It could be a friend of a friend, bagboy at the local grocery, cousin of someone she goes to Church with, etc.

That morning the suspect observes the house. He probably watches Dana and Karen leave. He may, as Dana stated, have known their schedules. This is entirely possible and goes back to my background assertion that he stalked the house and maybe left evidence of that from past visits. With the parents gone, he crept up to what I now think is the back of the house. I assume there is an open air carport there. He either surprised Holly there, or entered the back of the house into the garage. At one location or the other, perhaps he punched Holly. I believe this was in the garage. Perhaps he struck her in the face and she dropped to the ground. Blood could come from a broken nose or lip. She would be stunned and not say anything. This could be when clint saw them kneeling in the garage. At this point it seems Clint left the Garage area to call his mom, and the suspect took Holly out of the garage up the back of the house and back North or North east to where his vehicle was located.

I think it does raise questions as to what may have happened. In other words, did Holly come out of the garage (is there a door from inside the house leading to the garage?) to go to her car that was parked in the driveway or did she go out from the front door and was headed towards her car? If the first scenario is true, perhaps the perp's intention was not to take Holly but a home invasion as previously speculated by LE and he was caught offguard by Holly's presence outside? Was that Holly's usual time to leave the house or did she leave early because she was scheduled for an exam that morning? He probably had to rid of her because she may have recognized who he was hence the alleged theory that the perp is from the area?

Throwing out theories.....wish we had more answers. :sigh:

There have been articles speculating the perp may be a serial killer. The similarities to two other missing women

http://www.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979650794

 

[Carla Lashelle]

The front driveway side was where her car was....allegedly, right? I wonder if Holly was the one who heard something and went to check? But then why would she have her school stuff and lunch? Ugh.:banghead:

Hard to say because we have statements that say driveway AND car port.

Thinking this morning in writing my response about what I think happened, I believe perhaps her car was parked behind the house in the car port (if thats where it is).

 

[Oriah]

Clint said very clearly in the JVM article that Holly and camo man were in the garage and that it was attached to the house. It seems that the car port is an open structure behind the garage on the back of the house.

The direction that Clint saw Holly and camo man walking was North which is in the opposite direction from the garage and car port, which are on the South end of the house.

BBM:
Respectfully- this is not quite accurate, I don't think. The Bobo residence is catilevered on the property, and also cantilevered to Swan Johnson. I think this is creating a bit of confusion when referring to N/S/E/W etc.

The treeline that is shown- which is the direction CB stated he saw Holly and her abducter walking toward- actually runs N/E and S/W of their home.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

BBM:
Respectfully- this is not quite accurate, I don't think. The Bobo residence is catilevered on the property, and also cantilevered to Swan Johnson. I think this is creating a bit of confusion when referring to N/S/E/W etc.

The treeline that is shown- which is the direction CB stated he saw Holly and her abducter walking toward- actually runs N/E and S/W of their home.

I dont know, BeanE and I worked out what North was ROUGHLY based on photos of the house and a map. Im not saying its 100% North but the house runs roughly N/S for practical purposes. Its not like Clint saw them heading West.

Nothing here is super clear... its just an approximation.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Ok this might help. Based on several photos of the Bobo house I made these two drawings. I am NOT an artist and do not claim them to be accurate down to the millimeter. But they show the layout of the front of the house.

In the lower drawing, I indicate what I think is the car port with #1. I have drawn it as being open with the roof being supported by posts. This is a guess on my part. There is an aerial photo of the opposide side of this structure, facing towards the pool (#5) which shows it to be open and supported by posts. I made the assumption that it is open on both sides but am not sure. I would guess there is a door up under the roof to the back of the house or into the back of the garage. The garage is #2. I do not know if there is a window on the South side of the house or garage. I have not found any photos of this at all. So I left them blank. There is a long window on the end of the garage and it is at a higher level than the window on the North side of the garage (not shown here but shown in the top drawing). #3 is the long driveway to Swan Johnson road and #4 is roughly North, the direction Clint said Holly and camo man were walking when he last saw them.

The top drawing shows mostly the long front of the living area of the house. It has two doors. The main front door seems to be the one in the corner by the garage, and that door has six vertical windows beside it. The door seems to be solid, or if it has windows they are covered on the inside and don't show up in the aerial photo. THere are four windows along the front of the house. There is one window on each visible side of the garage. I have no photos of the back of the garage or the far side of the house.

I did not indicate any of the shrubbery around the house .

This is a GUESS on my part but the original house was L shaped and someone at some point enclosed the garage to add to the living space of the house itself, and added the car port to the back, resulting in a T shaped building.

Hope it helps...

 

[Oriah]

I dont know, BeanE and I worked out what North was ROUGHLY based on photos of the house and a map. Im not saying its 100% North but the house runs roughly N/S for practical purposes. Its not like Clint saw them heading West.

Nothing here is super clear... its just an approximation.

I understand.

I believe (coming from a map-crazy-SAR perspective, lol) that CB was referring to Holly and her abducter heading northwest or northeast. That's on a global scale. The reference to north by CB, I believe, is based on the house location; and Swan Johnson.

Does that make any sense? Or am I totally confusing things?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

well im no Magellan... but Clint said they went North so that is all I have to go on. Clint did not say they went SSW, NNE, etc. But again its just a ROUGH indication of which way they went. Its probably moot to try to figure out if they were headed 2 degrees one way or 4 degrees another BIG PICTURE. LE has said they know where Holly and camo man entered into the woods. We, however, do not and can only guess.

Perhaps someone can find a survey map with real coordinates?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Whisperer, I found this:

New information: June 3 – Holly Bobo’s family holds out hope for her return

http://www.tennessean.com/article/2...Holly-Bobo-s-family-holds-out-hope-her-return

TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm said investigators have gotten this account from interviews with relatives:

The day she went missing Bobo put on her bright pink shirt, jeans and black flip-flops and packed her lunch for another day of nursing school at the nearby UT-Martin campus.

Her brother, Clint, was still asleep. Their parents had already left for work.

At 7:40 a.m., Holly walked to her black Ford Mustang on the long, winding driveway leading to the Bobo family’s rural Decatur County home.

Minutes later, the family’s dog barked, waking Clint. He walked to the kitchen window that faces the expansive, treelined backyard to see what the ruckus was about. A man dressed in camouflage had his sister by the arm, leading her into the woods, he later told the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

The psychology student went out to his sister’s Mustang. She was supposed to be on her way to school, he knew. Next to her car, pooled a small puddle of blood and a spilled Coke can.

Wide awake now, Clint Bobo ran into his house and called 911. He called his mother, Karen, a second-grade teacher who usually chatted by text with Holly several times a day. Panicked now, he ran into the woods where he had last seen his sister.

Nothing. She was nowhere. No more blood.

Just after 8 a.m. that April 13 Wednesday, police surrounded the country home. Within hours, dogs, helicopters, horses joined in the search.

Underwater cameras searched ponds in the area.

The next day, Holly Bobo’s packed lunch was found about six miles north of her home toward Interstate 40.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/


Note: When I clicked on the original link tennessean.com it says page not found. :waitasec:

N/T,

Thank you so much for reprinting this account. Interesting, when you compare this to the JVM interview, it seems like they are talking about Totally different cases. The most glaring discreppancy being :

JVM Interview: Clint doesn't go outside just calls his mother.

June 3-Tennasean article: He does go outside, sees blood, coke can--then calls his mother (that account makes more sense)
The problem I have had with the JVM account is why call your mother BEFORE you know anything seems out of place.....and still not go outside to see where your sister is going when walking to the woods with this guy.

Why such a stark difference in accounts? How do these descrepencies help LE find what happened to his sister?...and the Turkey thing, was like thrown in for effect?:waitasec:

 

[Eileen730]

IIRC, Clint had just returned home from college the previous night. He would not have been familiar with Holly's routine. Since nothing seemed amiss (e.g., Holly wasn't screaming or banging on the door, and he didn't hear anyone yelling threats), Clint was probably hesitant to interfere. So, I can understand why he'd prefer to call his mother and ask her if it was normal for the BF to be visiting just before Holly left for class. MOO

Quick Question!

What college did Clint attend?
I was under the assumption he lived home!

 

[cluciano63]

N/T,

Thank you so much for reprinting this account. Interesting, when you compare this to the JVM interview, it seems like they are talking about Totally different cases. The most glaring discreppancy being :

JVM Interview: Clint doesn't go outside just calls his mother.

June 3-Tennasean article: He does go outside, sees blood, coke can--then calls his mother (that account makes more sense)
The problem I have had with the JVM account is why call your mother BEFORE you know anything seems out of place.....and still not go outside to see where your sister is going when walking to the woods with this guy.

Why such a stark difference in accounts? How do these descrepencies help LE find what happened to his sister?...and the Turkey thing, was like thrown in for effect?:waitasec:

Is the account in the Tennasean telling the tale via a relative of the Bobos?
I seem to recall that, and assumed they got a convoluted (imagine that) version.

Enough time has passed that emotions should not affect at least the telling of what happened that morning, who was where, at what times, in what order, etc...and yet it no one has asked the simple questions to get this info from the family. It sounds as though they are willing to tell it, but the interviews have been unbelievably inept. I would have had them draw a sketch by now, with stick figures, etc...although I am not sure it matters now, where they walked, etc. since they were long gone by the time LE went into the woods...

 

[wfgodot]

Is the account in the Tennasean telling the tale via a relative of the Bobos?
I seem to recall that, and assumed they got a convoluted (imagine that) version.

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TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm said investigators have gotten this account from interviews with relatives

"Convoluted" wins the award for Single Word Which Best Describes Most Accounts Given About the Bobo Case!

 

[BeanE]

I love your drawing, Carla! Thank you for doing that!

 

[scorekeeper]

I'm sorry if this has been previously discussed. I worked the scanner thread when Holly first went missing. I have watched the family interviews. But the question I have:

Holly reported missing 7:40 am or some time around there
LE and parents to house 8:00 or shortly thereafter

What I have heard/read and I don't remember where:

the search didn't start for hours later
family was not permitted to leave home

no roadblocks
no one permitted to go into the woods

you get where I'm going.........

so is it true, that everyone sat around and waited for TBI?

TIA