TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[OldSteve]

I think we can see particular differences in the crime committed on Dru Sjodin in 2003 and the one committed on Holly Bobo. Dru's perp was certainly a Level III SO and had just served a 23-year prison term. While I didn't follow that case as closely as this one, I don't recall that Rodriguez "stalked" Sjodin extensively. He did live in her vicinity and had been inside the mall where she worked in Victoria's Secret. His kidnapping of her in public, while she was on her cell phone, shows his impulsivity. This, to me, is consistent with a Level III SO profile. We notice he did not follow Dru home to complete the kidnapping or take effort to drop evidence in various locations.

Holly's abduction from home is not consistent with a spontaneous abduction. The perp took the time to dress in camo. He had to have known it was turkey hunting season. He knew that turkey hunting would be going on early that morning...and he would not look out of place, if spotted. He felt no one would be at Holly's home except Holly...

Obviously, we don't know the whole story. I really have to think that the initial story of a home invasion might add up to more than the TBI wanted us to know so that term was retracted. I could be wrong....but it feels like there is more to this than the media running wild, especially since these were the very first reports that we had. The idea of a "home invasion" is questionable however, since we know Holly's blood was found in the carport and not inside the home (well, at least that's what we think we know). We also know that she spilled her drink. Its tough to imagine the perp engaging in this type of close and threatening contact with Holly and not leaving any of his own DNA behind. But I have to think this is the case here. I think there is a lack of comparative DNA...so even if LE takes DNA swabs from every potential male in Parsons and Darden, they have nothing to match up with it. OR, if they do have some type of DNA, they have yet to find a match....so that is a hinderance.

I don't feel that an SO did this. I think there may have been a sexual motive, along with some other aspects....jealousy, anger, resentment, retribution, frustration. (My own personal thinking says it is a young, conceited local...a troublemaker who has committed no major crimes but who has been protected....someone that perhaps had been rejected by Holly in some way.)

Since we know that evidence, in addition to the lunch bag, was found in the area, it would make sense that this perp was a local. Otherwise, I think the perp would have been long gone with the evidence in his trunk.

I think Holly is deceased. I think this case will be solved....but it may take a while.

Agree!

BBM I keep thinking that whoever did this had to have some experience - seems things went all too well for it to be a first time try...

 

[concentric]

Peace, concentric! that's exactly the type of fugitive I was referring to.

This is another one I have my eye on:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view

Both have ties to TN.

I just was hoping for people to look outside of the box- and know that some fugitives may have 'become' part of a community- completely unknown as fugitives to the community.

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Yeah, that's what I said in earlier threads, that a person or persons such as this can take on another identity and blend into the the rural community atmosphere possibly. They have to have a means of survival. And the two we are aware of certainly are "survivalist" types, hunters, ex-police, etc. meaning they could hide out in encampments/bunkers in the back country, with their weaponry. They also could steal cars, money etc. from unsuspecting visitors, say who leave their cars at trailheads, park sites. I recounted an incident I personally experienced in the earlier threads about my backpacking in the mountains out west, and returned to find my car riddled with bullet holes and some belongings in the trunk that were thrown into a ditch and found by a fisherman. It was a fugitive who had done this, LE said.

LOTS of scenarios I posted in the early threads, different theories, different survivalist types who kidnapped people. SnowInMemphis, also posted some, including that Fisher guy. Only, sometimes members here don't go back and read what we spent so much time posting. That is why it is so frustrating.

Oh, and also, the news stories I posted (at least 4X) about the young man who said he had been kidnapped by 3 people in the Smoky Mountains National Park, and then it was determined that he had probably lied? How do we know for a fact, that was "made up" by him? If something like this had really happened, I would suspect immediately that fugitives were the perps.
Remember the 3 fugitives, brothers and a sister from FL, who had a crime spree and ended up all the way over in CO?

I have thought for months that all of the law agencies have their eye on them as possible connections to this case. They just may not know where they are.

Both of them killed their wives. Maybe they were looking for a woman that appealed to them.

Who knows, they could operating together. Long shot, but not impossible...

We know there have been other "teams" of suvivalist types who abducted women. These articles are also posted in the beginning threads.

 

[houndstooth]

Not sure about the intent of the rest of this post, but the BBM- I think this may harken back to the initial days of inaccurate reporting, when Clint and Drew were being confused for one another.

As in confusion by way of assumptions, considering Clint was never shown to the public until 3 months into the case?

Where do you suppose the media got the idea from, or wherever else, the false ID of Clint as Drew arose?

 

[Oriah]

As in confusion by way of assumptions, considering Clint was never shown to the public until 3 months into the case?

Where do you suppose the media got the idea from, or wherever else, the false ID of Clint as Drew arose?

Not sure I understand the question?

 

[Oriah]

Yes- I too posted this way back when and I totally understand your frustration, concentric. I was trying to bring it back to attention.

I, too, mentioned early on that we own a property almost identical to the Bobo's (different state, but nearly identical to the Bobo's property.) It is backed by hundreds of acres of forested land, which is all posted-no hunting. We use it for laying trails for SAR dogs, etc. On more than one occasion, I've come across illegal deer stands, feeders, blinds, squatters, and abandoned 'survivalist' type caches while out working the dogs.

It would not surprise me in the least if a fugative chose the area as a 'new home.'

 

[concentric]

Oriah,

Years ago, when I finally returned to my car, after that exhausting descent from the top of a mountain, needing hydration, and found my car full of bullet holes, no water bottles and my few items, not much, from the trunk gone...(which, forest service people at the beginning of my hike, said would be just fine, because nothing ever happened), I was shocked. Just glad that he wasn't there to shoot me.

So, yes, I do believe there are fugitives who hide out in the woods.

 

[Oriah]

ITA.

concentric, do you mind me asking what time of the year that was?
(and btw- I am so sorry for that experience. It sounds horrible. I am glad you are ok.)

Oriah,

Years ago, when I finally returned to my car, after that exhausting descent from the top of a mountain, needing hydration, and found my car full of bullet holes, no water bottles and my few items, not much, from the trunk gone...(which, forest service people at the beginning of my hike, said would be just fine, because nothing ever happened), I was shocked. Just glad that he wasn't there to shoot me.

So, yes, I do believe there are fugitives who hide out in the woods.

 

[concentric]

This was summer in the mountains of Idaho.

 

[concentric]

Maybe we should try an experiment: Let's begin with the presumption that the perp. is a fugitive (there may be more than 1).

Was this opportunistic, because the initial objective was to burglarize?

Or, was Holly targeted by the fugitive(s)? If so, how?

 

[nursebeeme]

gentle reminder (if you happen to see one of your posts gone) that we do not link to unapproved sites and we are also not discussing hoax theory or bringing over rumors from other sites. The fbi considers the case of Holly Bobo an abduction. Thanks.

 

[Oriah]

Maybe we should try an experiment: Let's begin with the presumption that the perp. is a fugitive (there may be more than 1).

Was this opportunistic, because the initial objective was to burglarize?

Or, was Holly targeted by the fugitive(s)? If so, how?

Great idea, concentric.
I think it could be both- intent to burglarize, AND targeted.

 

[docwho3]

Not that it is terribly important to the case but I found this page too.
It is a poem by a poet born on April 13 (date Holly went missing according to MSM)
http://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/poems/heaney/personal_helicon.php

I found it when looking at that date in history just in case the date might
have some connection to the crime.

 

[~n/t~]

Tennessee's Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/fugitives/top_ten.shtml

 

[~n/t~]

Weird. Holly doesn't appear on the list :waitasec:

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/missing_children/miss_child_18.shtml

 

[~n/t~]

Maybe we should try an experiment: Let's begin with the presumption that the perp. is a fugitive (there may be more than 1).

Was this opportunistic, because the initial objective was to burglarize?

Or, was Holly targeted by the fugitive(s)? If so, how?

The initial Press Release by TBI was Home Invasion Kidnapping

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/news_roo...Feared Victim of Home Invasion Kidnapping.pdf

 

[Oriah]

Weird. Holly doesn't appear on the list :waitasec:

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/missing_children/miss_child_18.shtml

That is because Holly was not under 18, and falls under a specific provision by the FBI and NCMEC, I believe.

http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

 

[~n/t~]

That is because Holly was not under 18, and falls under a specific provision by the FBI and NCMEC, I believe.

http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

oh I see. These are children who went missing before they turned 18 but now are over 18.

They should have list of missing adults on their site.

 

[shefner]

The initial Press Release by TBI was Home Invasion Kidnapping

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/news_roo...Feared Victim of Home Invasion Kidnapping.pdf

YES, YES, YES! Then they took it back. But I do believe the initial reports had some basis in fact.

 

[Oriah]

oh I see. These are children who went missing before they turned 18 but now are over 18.

They should have list of missing adults on their site.

Correct.

I think part of the confusion about Holly's case is because the FBI and NCMEC could profile her case under specific provisions (NCMEC accepting under their provisions- the FBI, under theirs) but the TBI does not have that. So she is a missing adult with them.

Make sense? It's kind of red tape, for lack of a better term.

Basically, confusion between resources.

 

[shefner]

I respect all opinions because each has value. However, I'm not sure I believe that a fugitive could take on a new identity in a small town and make that work. I live in a town of 5500 city residents with thousands more living on the "outskirts." I have lived here 10 years. The first time my family visited the town, we stopped in a local restaurant to eat. When we entered the front door, every head turned to stare us down. "So," the waitress eventually asked, "where are ya'll from...and what brings you here?" Within days, everyone knew my momma and daddy (and I'm a grown woman with kids, by the way) and where they lived. They knew what kind of work we did....and they even knew what cars we drove. And this was before we even moved in. Crazy? Yes. Comforting? Yes.