Tommy describes attack

Just wondering what DNA of theirs that could be found on Haleigh's body after 18 plus months that would prove she was sexually assaulted...JMHO

I was thinking more DNA on the clothes or DNA on something else that might be with the remains. They are not the brightest group of individuals so I am sure there if they did bury her there will be stuff buried with her.
 
Emeralgem.....I agree! IF Haleigh had been shot, likely the bullet would have passed through bone. Actually, the bullet could still be there whenever she is found. I was trying to say certain DNA might not be evident any longer, but specific injuries might still be evident, even at this late date. The perp(s) did not want Haleigh found, period. And that could mean there IS evidence to be found with her.

bolded by me....That IS a reasonable/believeable/ opinion....If true...and Haleigh WAS shot..by Ron..and 911 was called, the LE would launch an investigation and the gunwas Ron's ..COULD HAVE BEEN STOLEN..and not only Ron would be in hot water over child endangerment with weapons, but finding the gun was STOLEN could further incriminate him...

I have thought, maybe like the rest of you...for months..IF Haleigh had died from a seizure, after a head injury of some kind...911 would have easily have been called...no crime done..just a child who had fallen and had a seizure and with her health complications..died..No need for a cover up...

BUT..if drugs/weapons were used on the child and the child died FROM IT, MOST certainly someone was in BIG .TROUBLE...A lot of investigating both from LE AND DCS..Both BAD for RON...

IMO...I am leaning towards, Haleigh is hidden, buried, and they all know it..SOME know WHERE..IMO..the child has the evidence on her as to the cause of her death..Drugs???..I am not leaning towards the drugs..They could say she ate them herself...Could never be PROVEN WHERE she got them....don't think that is it.......Gunshot???..Could be..Could be the most likely...Since Ron is KNOWN to have guns, guns in the house with the children, giving Misty a gun for under her pillow..with the children in the house, EVEN IN THE BED WITH HER...so...My opinion as of now is..Haleigh could have died from a gunshot...If so, I don't believe Haleigh was shot in the MH on Green..No blood found...It was elsewhere, I don't believe she was later brought back to the MH for bedtime like Misty described..There would have been too much forencis evidence in the bedroom...I believe Haleigh, if she was shot, was NEVER brought back to the residence...she died elsewhere...If this is true...You are right...The evidence on her could point to Ron..for the gun forencis..could lead to be HIS gun..

Another thought just occured to me...Misty's story now is saying that JO was taking Haleigh and she was screaming and if Misty OF HAD HER GUN she would have shot him, but she did not HAVE it...COULD it have been EARLIER in the day that Haleigh was shot and Ron got ALL THE GUNS out of his home so no weapons would be found if searched....Could be the reason for ALL the guns removed from his residence...Haleigh WAS shot...and he got rid of all the guns in his home.....To me, this sounds like a possible reaction ..a child gets shot and dies..by your own weapon..and you clear out your guns..But IF she was shot by someone else, why get rid of your OWN guns..?????????all in my own opinion...just my :twocents:
 
Someone should check a few basic pieces of known information before they run with a story told by a 4 time documented liar:

When he couldn’t find it because Ronald had taken all the guns out of the house, Misty says “Joe went crazy,” her lawyer told me

http://www.artharris.com/2010/08/22/exclusive-tommy-croslin-haleigh-died-in-trailer/#more-4677

That’s not what Ronald told the PCSO:

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http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
 
Didn't ron have a license to carry? We have heard from his neighbor who posted here about the different guns. Tim Miller saw his guns. I just don't see ron going anywhere without a gun. So the other guns could have been taken out of the house that day and the only one was the one he was carrying????
 
I want Werter to ask TomC what Haleigh was wearing when she was removed from the mh .... and then tell us.
 
I think LE wants it wanting it out there so Joe will know they haven't forgotten about him for one second.

Imo, Ron had nothing to do with this.

imo
Just checking in today. Oceanblueeyes, you and I have really different interpretations and ideas and beliefs in this very sad case. Where we are in agreement, I'm sure, is that this little girl's "disappearance" is a horrible tragedy and has devastated many people's lives.

If you don't mind and only if you want to, of course, would you consider giving your reasons (or some of them) for believing that Ronald Cummings had nothing to do with the crime against his daughter, HaLeigh?

I am trying hard to look at everything and to be open to that possibility, though I still cannot reconcile Ron's words, actions, demeanor, or anything with even the remotest possibility that he is innocent of this crime and innocent of knowledge of this crime...from before the 911 call.

Also, if you care to speak to this, what causes you to believe that JO is REALLY the perpetrator, beyond what is being attributed to Misty and Tommy Croslin by others and what their Grandma Flo has said.

Strangely, even Ron's family are saying that this young man (JO) is not the one who committed the crime against HaLeigh.

Thanks so much if you care to respond.

 
Just checking in today. Oceanblueeyes, you and I have really different interpretations and ideas and beliefs in this very sad case. Where we are in agreement, I'm sure, is that this little girl's "disappearance" is a horrible tragedy and has devastated many people's lives.

If you don't mind and only if you want to, of course, would you consider giving your reasons (or some of them) for believing that Ronald Cummings had nothing to do with the crime against his daughter, HaLeigh?

I am trying hard to look at everything and to be open to that possibility, though I still cannot reconcile Ron's words, actions, demeanor, or anything with even the remotest possibility that he is innocent of this crime and innocent of knowledge of this crime...from before the 911 call.

Also, if you care to speak to this, what causes you to believe that JO is REALLY the perpetrator, beyond what is being attributed to Misty and Tommy Croslin by others and what their Grandma Flo has said.

Strangely, even Ron's family are saying that this young man (JO) is not the one who committed the crime against HaLeigh.

Thanks so much if you care to respond.


seeking truth..I'm also interested in WHY Ronald C adamantly denied on national tv Jo O was ever at the MH that night, adamantly denied there was ever a fight or that he had any enemies but basically implicated Jo O when he told Cobra he believed Jo had thrown Haleigh in the St. John's River and the gators got her...Ronald Cummings IMHO talks out of both sides of his mouth.JMHO
 
And to this day, Ronald defends, denies the cousin's involvement in the disappearance, almost as if he is protecting Joe (IMO). Based upon this statement below, how can Ronald be so sure??

"Ronald has a hard time understanding why someone would go to steal a gun and steal a child instead," Shoemaker said. "I think he has a feeling that there's still more that needs to come out." When asked about Cummings' relationship with Overstreet, Shoemaker said the two did not get along. "He said it was just one of those where he didn't know him but didn't have good feelings about him," Shoemaker said.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/08/21/news/news01.txt

Note: It has always been my belief that Haleigh was abducted by a sex offender, although I must admit, the actions of RC and family; along with MC and family (and their attorneys) sure do confuse the heck out of me!
 
I wonder if Ron and his family believe that Misty did something to Haleigh or it's somehow related to her drug associates. It's never seemed as if they consider that a sexual offender abducted her, or at least didn't seem that way to me with their statements to the media.
 
DNA or drugs in Haleigh's system at the time of her death could have been detected back then, which would be the reason for her being disposed of in a way that she would never be found and why no one would come clean about where she is.

However, if Haleigh were found now, it is likely no DNA or drug evidence still exists. The only reason no one will tell now is because no one wants it proven that they knew all along where she was.

Another thing I have thought about is this: Even if Haleigh had not been drugged or sexually assaulted, she could have been physically injured in a manner that left evidence of that. Broken bones or bone bruises could be evident even years after such abuse. If she had been tied up, the binds could still be there as evidence.

Whatever happened, I believe was in the works before Ron left for work that day and possibly even days or weeks prior. Ron and his family had just moved into that MH; they had only lived there a couple weeks before Haleigh went missing. It has been said they may have been instructed by DCF to move to a larger home, but what if that was not the real reason for the move? What if Ron moved because he was afraid someone he had crossed in some major way knew his previous address? Misty having to have a gun under her pillow for 'protection' against an intruder leads me to believe Ron thought that possibility more real than most citizens would.

I try to move away from this kind of scenario because it complicates things more than I like them to be; however, this is truly a complicated case all around given the cast of characters, all being shady and seemingly having 'something' to hide.

I have even actually considered that Misty could have sold Haleigh, or perhaps loaned her out as payment for drugs fully expecting her to be returned. I have not posted that idea here because the idea sickens me to no end. Many people believe Misty loved Haleigh. Well, I am not so sure she did. I did not see Misty grieve; in fact, she appeared to me to be at times enjoying the limelight and other times smiling, laughing, and having time time of her life very soon after Haleigh's demise.

Whether Misty was directly involved I am not sure, but I also am not yet convinced she wasn't. Whatever Misty's role, she did not love Haleigh enough to come to her rescue that night or, at the very least, call 911 at her first opportunity to do so. No, Misty continues to cover for herself and possibly others; she has done absolutely nothing for Haleigh.

For a while I thought Misty was not at the MH that night prior to 2:30 AM when the neighbor heard her in the yard on the phone crying. But in all this time she has never admitted to that, so I am less inclined to believe she was not home. IOW, Misty would have an out if she could prove she was elsewhere when the crime went down and given her current situation, if she was not there that night, she would have said so by now.

RC's bond has been cut in half now. If he gets out now, might Misty's memory improve?

All JMO.
well, LE stated, & never corrected it, that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't home. & if I'm remembering correctly, they even asked for public assistance in determining her wherabouts. & then, I do believe, (but could be wrong), GGS claimed that she herself dropped by that trailer & Misty was there, & then Ron & Teresa proclaimed for all to hear, that Misty was there, exausted & asleep, & would never leave the kids alone. & then Hank made a point to talk about how Misty slept like a log, & was almost impossible, to wake up. But even with all of these proclomations, I'm gonna go with LE on this one...at least until they offer a retractment. For some reason, but probably different reasons for each person, everybody wants Misty in that house, & not gone. including Misty. & I wonder why. & come to think about it...we've heard so many versions of that night, I wonder why Misty never tried the 'I wasn't there' on for size? I wonder what she was really doing.
 
HMMMM....A babysitter that sleeps like a log and is impossible to wake up, no matter what happens. Excellent choice---NOT.
 
I would bet that Ron had that Barretta with him everywhere he went. He was too proud of it. It is a nice gun. That is why he hid it from the cops.

If I were Werter, I would ask for a psych exam for my client.
 
well, LE stated, & never corrected it, that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't home. & if I'm remembering correctly, they even asked for public assistance in determining her wherabouts. & then, I do believe, (but could be wrong), GGS claimed that she herself dropped by that trailer & Misty was there, & then Ron & Teresa proclaimed for all to hear, that Misty was there, exausted & asleep, & would never leave the kids alone. & then Hank made a point to talk about how Misty slept like a log, & was almost impossible, to wake up. But even with all of these proclomations, I'm gonna go with LE on this one...at least until they offer a retractment. For some reason, but probably different reasons for each person, everybody wants Misty in that house, & not gone. including Misty. & I wonder why. & come to think about it...we've heard so many versions of that night, I wonder why Misty never tried the 'I wasn't there' on for size? I wonder what she was really doing.

Tim Miller said he was told that Misty was at a party. He says alot more about what his source (a girl he met at a local bar around the corner from Rons house) said about that night. I will see if I can find that video.
 
well, LE stated, & never corrected it, that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't home. & if I'm remembering correctly, they even asked for public assistance in determining her wherabouts. & then, I do believe, (but could be wrong), GGS claimed that she herself dropped by that trailer & Misty was there, & then Ron & Teresa proclaimed for all to hear, that Misty was there, exausted & asleep, & would never leave the kids alone. & then Hank made a point to talk about how Misty slept like a log, & was almost impossible, to wake up. But even with all of these proclomations, I'm gonna go with LE on this one...at least until they offer a retractment. For some reason, but probably different reasons for each person, everybody wants Misty in that house, & not gone. including Misty. & I wonder why. & come to think about it...we've heard so many versions of that night, I wonder why Misty never tried the 'I wasn't there' on for size? I wonder what she was really doing.
That's an interesting aspect of the case, Dodie. On more than one occasion, LE has made a public plea for information about Misty's whereabouts that night, and stated that physical evidence at the MH does not match up with Misty's (first) story. Yet, not one individual has come forward to say Misty was with him or her. We can be reasonably confident of that because Misty has not been cleared. The only thing we've seen that would indicate otherwise is the letter from NayNay who said that LE told her Joe P. signed an affadavit stating Haleigh OD'd at a party. That was a whole year ago, and nothing has come of it. Personally, I think it was a crock, something LE made up to pressure NayNay.

Misty hasn't tried on the "I wasn't there" story because without an eyewitness to corroborate her claim, it simply won't fly. She's got nothing. Not even an appearance on a Kangaroo video. Too bad she wasn't smart enough to run out for cigs and peanuts.

LE expressed doubt that she was at Green Ln., but at the same time continued to say she was "the key". Well, how in the world could she be the key if she wasn't even there when the crime occurred?? She could only testify to what she found when she returned or what Ron and/or TN told her, but that would be mostly hearsay. Her testimony would be helpful in building a case, but it would not make her "the key". Only one with first hand knowledge can wear that title.

Ergo, if Misty is "the key"; and Misty wasn't at Green Ln. that night: the crime occurred somewhere other than the MH. IMO, this could indicate 130 Magnolia as the scene of the crime. One of them, anyway.
 
Tim Miller said he was told that Misty was at a party. He says alot more about what his source (a girl he met at a local bar around the corner from Rons house) said about that night. I will see if I can find that video.
No offense to you, Gwen, but this source, this girl Tim Miller met at a bar around the corner from Ron's house who allegedly saw Misty at a party that night, :rolleyes: has she talked to LE? A party would mean more than two people, so where are they? He!!, why is Misty still behind bars? Why isn't Fields blabbing this all over the place? If Misty's own attorney still places her at the scene, how can we believe the story from the girl in the bar around the corner, etc.?
 
Tim Miller said he was told that Misty was at a party. He says alot more about what his source (a girl he met at a local bar around the corner from Rons house) said about that night. I will see if I can find that video.
No offense to you, Gwen, but this source, this girl Tim Miller met at a bar around the corner from Ron's house who allegedly saw Misty at a party that night, :rolleyes: has she talked to LE? A party would mean more than two people, so where are they? He!!, why is Misty still behind bars? Why isn't Fields blabbing this all over the place? If Misty's own attorney still places her at the scene, how can we believe the story from the girl in the bar around the corner, etc.?
 
Maybe Ron took the Beretta with him when he left for work.

That could be very possible. Especially if he knew Misty was not home. I also feel that Ron owns many guns..JMO though.
Wasn't it said that TN called Misty to babysit and Misty said she had to ask Ronald if it were OK? Heck...I am getting all these stories confused :banghead:

It is very possible that Ron has more than two guns. We learned of the Barreta that LE said was found in the residence, so Ron must of brought it back home that night. Misty now claims the gun she slept with under the pillow was not home that night. LE did take the Barreta when Misty reported Haleigh missing. But LE did not take the riffle and IMO it was not in the MH or they would of since Ron kept going on and on about shooting who ever stole his child.
I never really did believe Misty was home that night, right when LE said they had someone that came forward and said she may of not been home that is when GGMS said she was there delivering the laundry, while the kids were eating outside. Heck it was dark by 7PM in Feb and Cold. Why would the kids be outside at that time eating? You would think little children would get cold, especially Haleigh that didn't like to wear pants, from what I read somewhere else. It was cold outside that night.

IMO, LE believes Misty is the key because she knows what Ronald did before he went to work and after..I don't think they feel Misty killed Haleigh. IMO, they feel she knows who may of hurt her and why. At least for today this is my opinion. This case is so twisted it's hard to even theorize what really happen. :banghead:



Feb. 18, 2009 - Officers confirm a tip in the case that Croslin was not at the home at the time Haleigh supposedly was sleeping.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100413/ARTICLES/100419756?p=6&tc=pg
 
That could be very possible. Especially if he knew Misty was not home. I also feel that Ron owns many guns..JMO though.
Wasn't it said that TN called Misty to babysit and Misty said she had to ask Ronald if it were OK? Heck...I am getting all these stories confused :banghead:

It is very possible that Ron has more than two guns. We learned of the Barreta that LE said was found in the residence, so Ron must of brought it back home that night. Misty now claims the gun she slept with under the pillow was not home that night. LE did take the Barreta when Misty reported Haleigh missing. But LE did not take the riffle and IMO it was not in the MH or they would of since Ron kept going on and on about shooting who ever stole his child.
I never really did believe Misty was home that night, right when LE said they had someone that came forward and said she may of not been home that is when GGMS said she was there delivering the laundry, while the kids were eating outside. Heck it was dark by 7PM in Feb and Cold. Why would the kids be outside at that time eating? You would think little children would get cold, especially Haleigh that didn't like to wear pants, from what I read somewhere else. It was cold outside that night.

IMO, LE believes Misty is the key because she knows what Ronald did before he went to work and after..I don't think they feel Misty killed Haleigh. IMO, they feel she knows who may of hurt her and why. At least for today this is my opinion. This case is so twisted it's hard to even theorize what really happen. :banghead:
I remember the tip early in the case regarding Misty being away from the MH. It doesn't add up, though. Misty sitting in jail all this time, facing a gazillion years and making up one wild tale after another. How easy it would be to simply say, "I wasn't there"?

I know some think she's covering for Ron. I can't buy that, not after all this time. And now TN wants to string her up in public. That doesn't sound like the words of someone whose afraid Misty might tattle on her.

I do agree it was too cold for the kids to be eating outside on the porch at 7pm, and I'm pretty sure AS threw that story in as an afterthought. Misty and the kids might not have been at the MH. Since we've started rehashing Misty's whereabouts, I'm considering Magnolia St again as the crime scene.

Mind if I borrow your wall for a moment? :banghead: ;)
 
Sorry, I double-posted down there and can't delete it. Thought we had two hours to edit a post?
 

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