Tommy describes attack

[lonetraveler]

Why was Haleigh the victim? What did she see or say?
Why was JR. not harmed in all of this?

Thank GOD he slept through most of this.........(man in black, squeeky shoes, boucing couch.
IMO, if someone wanted to get even with RC ..........they would take, hurt JR, boy child.
Will we ever know the truth.
I pray LE gets ALL the pieces to this crime! JMOO

speaking of a bouncing couch, in Tommy's latest version he is sitting on the couch supposedly when all this was happening...............:waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think LE has put together a solid chain of events, knows pretty much what happened, but is still unsure on some things, & they don't mind Joe hearing his name associated with this case... hoping he'll get nervous & come to talk, maybe? When Joe was recently arrested, I was a little surprised to hear Gmaw Flo, (I know, I know, lol), state that 'somebody' in LE called HER & asked for her take. Now that would indicate, to me anyway, that LE isn't keeping real close tabs on Joe, but I do realize that that that 'somebody' could've been a reporter, a Cummings, a Croslin, or just some nut, posing as a cop. But regardless, I think we're all gonna hear something, real soon. This case seems to have picked up tempo, & I don't really see it slacking back off. especially after hearing about Ron's deal. That IMO, says LE is moving forward, & there won't be any turning back. MOO.

I think you are right and the tempo is picking up and the DA is getting his ducks in a row. By giving a plea deal to Ron it shows they already know what he is going to testify to and they certainly seem to think there will be a trial or trials. What they have kept secret imo is what Ron is going to testify to when it comes to other suspects besides Misty.

Now one but Ron could tell a jury about the prior stolen gun attempt and all that took place concerning Joe right before Haleigh disappeared.

Sorry I don't believe Flora too much. She always like to be the center of attention too much for my taste. I highly doubt the police called her for advice on anything. I am sure they can handle their case without her input. lol Now since LE knows she tells everything under the sun, they may want her to think they aren't keeping tabs on Joe, because if they dared had told her they were, she would blab it to the world on tv.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why was Haleigh the victim? What did she see or say?
Why was JR. not harmed in all of this?

Thank GOD he slept through most of this.........(man in black, squeeky shoes, boucing couch.
IMO, if someone wanted to get even with RC ..........they would take, hurt JR, boy child.
Will we ever know the truth.
I pray LE gets ALL the pieces to this crime! JMOO

I think she saw the man she really didn't know very well, storm her home, screaming 'Where is the @@@@@@@ gun?!!!!" and being a protective little girl she told this man she was going to tell her daddy on him and in a rage from being hoodwinked twice already by her father.... he grabbed her and killed her to shut her up so she couldn't tell daddy. He knew his blood kin would keep his twisted secret because they would try to protect their own sorry butts.

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

I don't see how Ron is not involved in what happened if this is true and he had a stolen gun which led to Haleigh being murdered...even if he was not there, it is not, IMO, fair to say he had no involvement...and I do believe he has known exactly what happened to her for more than a year, more like a year and a half...and he is to blame, even if he did not do it.

 

[bessie]

Quote:
Exclusive: Arm Seen Around Haleigh Cummings?

"Snip"

By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, © www.artharris.com, all rights reserved

“Joe picked up Tommy from his house to borrow the gun to shoot deer at night,” Werter tells The Bald Truth. “He sat on the couch while Joe looked for it.”

So this is what Lisa alluded to in one of the jailhouse calls with Tommy released in May. She tried to question him about the version Misty had told the family, and mentioned him sitting on the couch. I believe her exact words were: "You and her were sitting on the couch..." Then Tommy cut her off.

Not much, I know. But, hey, these little shreds of consistency might eventually lead to a complete story.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't see how Ron is not involved in what happened if this is true and he had a stolen gun which led to Haleigh being murdered...even if he was not there, it is not, IMO, fair to say he had no involvement...and I do believe he has known exactly what happened to her for more than a year, more like a year and a half...and he is to blame, even if he did not do it.

Ron didnt have a stolen gun that I am aware of. Tommy and Joe were going to steal Ron's gun.

I am sure he had his suspicions just like we all have. I read that someone said he was about 75% sure Joe was involved.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

Quote:
Exclusive: Arm Seen Around Haleigh Cummings?

"Snip"

By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, © www.artharris.com, all rights reserved

The Bald Truth has now learned that Tommy elaborated he actually saw Joe O. holding Haleigh “with his arm around her chest” inside the bedroom of the trailer Feb. 9, 2009.

He claims Haleigh wasn’t moving, that she appeared limp as a ragdoll. James Werter, says Croslin came clean with the details in April, when he told investigators he drove to the trailer with Overstreet—who denies any involvement in the missing child —to “borrow” a machine gun Ronald showed off one night over beer.

“Joe picked up Tommy from his house to borrow the gun to shoot deer at night,” Werter tells The Bald Truth. “He sat on the couch while Joe looked for it.”

When he couldn’t find it because Ronald had taken all the guns out of the house, Misty says “Joe went crazy,” her lawyer told me, pulled out his knife, threatened and sexually groped her, and warned he’d kill her and her family if she told.

She’s also told investigators she heard Haleigh screaming after Joe grabbed her and she dove under the covers and held her little brother tight.

Steve Brown, a former FBI agent, in an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth said Thats what prompted him to get up off the couch in the living room and “look around the corner” into the bedroom.

“That’s when he saw Joe holding Haleigh with his arm around her chest,” Brown told me. “She wasn’t moving then, and she wasn’t moving (later) when he looked over his shoulder after Overstreet put her in the van and she was lying in the back.”

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Hmmmm....no black bag mentioned in this version either. Amazing how Tommy chose to sneak peeks around corners and over his shoulder, when he could have used those few seconds that he was not being threatened by JO to run as fast as he could to pound on doors screaming for help--or even hightail it back to his Tyler Street home to call 911 to report a crime in progress.

Misty hid and let JO do whatever he wanted. Tommy sat on the couch and let JO do whatever he wanted. Misty reportedly came out from hiding after she heard the MH door close and the van drive away. She, too, never ran out to pound on doors for help, or to the nearest phone to call 911. :furious:

Also, this latest Tommy-tale as relayed by James Werter claims "they went to the MH to 'borrow' a gun." Unfortunately for his client, Mr. Werter had previously publicly stated that his client had admitted that they went there to steal a gun.

Yes, Mr. Werter, you have erred big time, which is obviously why you chose to change steal to borrow. Borrowing a gun is not a crime, but stealing a gun is. And a death that occurs during the commission of another crime could mean a felony murder charge for all involved, including your client--even if he did nothing more than sit on the couch.

ETA: Just want to add that I do not believe the story regardless of how many ways they choose to tell it.

I don't know about anybody else, but reading Tommy's accounts, depress the **** out of me. I went ahead & caught up on artharris.com, (haven't been there in awhile), & I must say, Tommy's stories are pure bunk. he & Joe were gonna 'borrow' a rifle, so they could deer hunt? at night? & high on xanax? I don't know about Satsuma, but around here most of the hunters are rednecks, & they might get drunk on beer or whiskey, but high on pills? NO. & to hunt at night, they'd need a truck with a special spotlight...wonder if Tommy's truck was equipped. Tommy & Joe don't strike me as the outdoorsy type. more like the crackhouse type. But, seeing Tommy mention hunting, makes me think of the woods, & what his real purpose might've been for being in them. I wonder if LE had any sightings? or maybe Lindsey could tell of Tommy's favorite 'hunting' spots. Misty alluded to Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way places, but I don't think she ever gave details.

 

[justus4all]

My personal opinion...I believe Haleigh died much earlier in the day, before Ron went to work, and Junior was taken to GMS, and the clean up/cover up took most of the afternoon and into the evening, and Misty was given a "script" to follow (which she failed miserably) and TN was at the ready to "show up with Haleigh's picture"..Which to me threw suspicion on her RIGHT THEN, as Ron had not searched outside or the neighbors where she may be "just hiding..."...Now Tommy has this "new" story which he says he watched her scream/and "rode along" ..for her disposal.. while "doing his drug thang"......................Holy potatoes!!! What is coming next??????

 

[kant]

Why was Haleigh the victim? What did she see or say?
Why was JR. not harmed in all of this?

Thank GOD he slept through most of this.........(man in black, squeeky shoes, boucing couch.
IMO, if someone wanted to get even with RC ..........they would take, hurt JR, boy child.
Will we ever know the truth.
I pray LE gets ALL the pieces to this crime! JMOO

Originally posted by Justus4all
My personal opinion...I believe Haleigh died much earlier in the day, before Ron went to work, and Junior was taken to GMS, and the clean up/cover up took most of the afternoon and into the evening, and Misty was given a "script" to follow (which she failed miserably) and TN was at the ready to "show up with Haleigh's picture"..Which to me threw suspicion on her RIGHT THEN, as Ron had not searched outside or the neighbors where she may be "just hiding..."...Now Tommy has this "new" story which he says he watched her scream/and "rode along" ..for her disposal.. while "doing his drug thang"......................Holy potatoes!!! What is coming next??????

The Jr factor...

That has perplexed me too. Dont get me wrong - I.... we all.. thank God in Heaven that Jr is safe. However, one has to wonder what went down such that he IS safe. He is spared; His sister is gone. Was he even there? IDK.

Many of the theories and speculations that have been put forth regarding Haleigh could have, imo, just as easily applied to him; and frankly I cant see him sleeping thru any kind of screamin, frantic, hoopla... unless he was dosed.. which brings me back to beating my dead dosing horse. IDK

moo

 

[kant]

I don't know about anybody else, but reading Tommy's accounts, depress the **** out of me. I went ahead & caught up on artharris.com, (haven't been there in awhile), & I must say, Tommy's stories are pure bunk. he & Joe were gonna 'borrow' a rifle, so they could deer hunt? at night? & high on xanax? I don't know about Satsuma, but around here most of the hunters are rednecks, & they might get drunk on beer or whiskey, but high on pills? NO. & to hunt at night, they'd need a truck with a special spotlight...wonder if Tommy's truck was equipped. Tommy & Joe don't strike me as the outdoorsy type. more like the crackhouse type. But, seeing Tommy mention hunting, makes me think of the woods, & what his real purpose might've been for being in them. I wonder if LE had any sightings? or maybe Lindsey could tell of Tommy's favorite 'hunting' spots. Misty alluded to Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way places, but I don't think she ever gave details.

I agree with the illogic of it all and I hope it points to a raveling of all the fabrications. I hope it's all falling apart, bit by bit, at the seams so someone will freak out and spill the proverbial beans.

 

[justus4all]

I agree with the illogic of it all and I hope it points to a raveling of all the fabrications. I hope it's all falling apart, bit by bit, at the seams so someone will freak out and spill the proverbial beans.

bolded by me....IMO.....I DO feel ...by Tommy's LATEST story....that these stories just keep getting more BIZARRE and UNBELIEVEABLE..and MAKE NO SENSE....Hopefully the LE can weed thru the ludicrious stuff and finally make their case...I believe the LE have it "pieced together what happened" but NOT certain ....YET....as to..."WHO DONE IT"....

 

[suspicious1]

The Jr factor...

That has perplexed me too. Dont get me wrong - I.... we all.. thank God in Heaven that Jr is safe. However, one has to wonder what went down such that he IS safe. He is spared; His sister is gone. Was he even there? IDK.

Many of the theories and speculations that have been put forth regarding Haleigh could have, imo, just as easily applied to him; and frankly I cant see him sleeping thru any kind of screamin, frantic, hoopla... unless he was dosed.. which brings me back to beating my dead dosing horse. IDK

moo

bbm

Kant, don't forget about what Ron said about Jr being spared...."imagine that"
WTH? What was that suppose to mean?

 

[debs]

Problem I've always had with this is that cousin Joe, after committing a heinous crime against a little girl he'd only known 2 weeks, if that, would choose to stick around and hang up missing fliers, fearing rightfully that Ronald Cummings would bring the wrath of all his buddies and relatives down upon his skull, instead of bailing ship like the squeaky rat he'd have to be if he'd done this thing.

It. Doesn't. Compute. (Even for a Croslin).

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I don't see how Ron is not involved in what happened if this is true and he had a stolen gun which led to Haleigh being murdered...even if he was not there, it is not, IMO, fair to say he had no involvement...and I do believe he has known exactly what happened to her for more than a year, more like a year and a half...and he is to blame, even if he did not do it.

I think RC knew what happened from the beginning. I think he was hiding something he didn't want LE to know he had done. MOO, I think whatever happened did so before he went to work, maybe Haleigh got into drugs, but she wasn't dead. Then he called GGMS and TN to check on her. She died later, then the staging to frame the Coslins and cover-up started. The reason I believe this is ture is the crazy actions of RC and TN from the very beginning. Also, if I remember correctly, RC said in the beginning there was no gun, or something like that. The gun and the van have been a part of this all along. This is my opinion at this minute, but it may change before I get it posted. :waitasec:

 

[ks1]

I know my opinion isn't a popular one, but I think Misty only knows what she has been told after the fact as she was passed out from her three day drug binge. I don't think she has a clue as to what happened, but knows Tommy was there by his own admission and is going along with whatever has been cooked up to cover for him.

 

[Nore]

I just pray to God that LE. finds the murderer.They are all such liars it wont be an easy job.I too wonder about the story from Jr. about the man in black and the couch.Look at Bobby Cutts story,the little one was able to discribe it very well.I am so afraid someone will get away with this.I am glad they are locked up, keeping another child safe.They only worry about their own miserable necks.:banghead:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I know my opinion isn't a popular one, but I think Misty only knows what she has been told after the fact as she was passed out from her three day drug binge. I don't think she has a clue as to what happened, but knows Tommy was there by his own admission and is going along with whatever has been cooked up to cover for him.

that's possible. another future story?? we really don't know which one to choose, we have so many.:waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

I don't see how Ron is not involved in what happened if this is true and he had a stolen gun which led to Haleigh being murdered...even if he was not there, it is not, IMO, fair to say he had no involvement...and I do believe he has known exactly what happened to her for more than a year, more like a year and a half...and he is to blame, even if he did not do it.

yes you are right, but often these same criminals are offered immunity for their crimes, in exchange for valuable information. not right, but it helps solve cases. In my eyes, LE can play this 1 of 3 ways. They can #1, treat Ron like the criminal he is, no holds barred, #2, give him his little drug deal, but explain that that decision tore them up, or#3, make him a hero. Now, option #1 is obviously out, (but for good reason, I hope), #2 is a maybe, but I don't know if they'll have the nerve, & #3, is my nightmare. But, whichever LE picks, I sincerely hope it helps solve this case, & I'll get over Ron's deal.

 

[dodie20]

Why was Haleigh the victim? What did she see or say?
Why was JR. not harmed in all of this?

Thank GOD he slept through most of this.........(man in black, squeeky shoes, boucing couch.
IMO, if someone wanted to get even with RC ..........they would take, hurt JR, boy child.
Will we ever know the truth.
I pray LE gets ALL the pieces to this crime! JMOO

You know, what you've just said is the reason I don't believe Haleigh walked in on something & was silenced. Jr saw & heard plenty, but he was left alive, to tell what he knew. But a lot of good it did...Ron shot that down quick.

 

[B4igo2it]

Butterbean did NOT hear his sissy scream or cry, if so, the media would have had a field day with that one! He claims Misty was there when Haleigh was taken and he saw the man (if he saw Tommy, I am sure he would have mentioned that tommy was there too!)
Crystal stated it is possible that Misty would be passed out if she took Oxycontin ...
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3925059/haleigh-breakthrough
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LE found no evidence that a "death" occurred in the mh. In fact, Sheriff Hardy,
"Standing near the woods and waterway that investigators have been searching since Tuesday, Hardy said it’s a “good possibility” the 5-year-old died there."
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...rtable-calling-haleigh-cummings-case-homicide
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as linked in earlier post-no evidence found in the van either!