Tommy describes attack

[pittsburghgirl]

I think there is a core of truth to Tommy's story, in that he and Misty were there. I am not convinced of a third person, but if there was a third person, I go with Timmy or JO. The story of the gun is ridiculous, in my view, unless there is some key detail that we don't know. I think it is far more likely that the sexual details of the stories Tommy and Misty tell (i.e., that Misty was groped) may or may not be true but regardless point to the real motive of the crime--a sexual assault on a child. The only other possibility is some rind of far-out drug-fueled rage.

Why would anyone kill a child over a gun? It's not like getting guns is hard.

 

[B4igo2it]

Furthermore, these stories are really making me sick - it may be a big joke to the attorneys (Fields/Werter), AH, NG and L'uniFlo with their graphic details of the events that unfolded ... Their "he said this", "she said this" statements (we don't even know if these are truths, 1/2 truths or what) - I find to be calleous and heartless for them to even make such public statements! They are turning this into nothing more than a circus of sorts and I am appauled. There are those of us that love HaLeigh and seek the truth. Just wondering what it really is that these individuals are truly seeking here? At the expense of a little girl ...

 

[txsvicki]

Tommy can just keep talking and adding more and more facts, because he's digging himself an even deeper hole. All he had to do was call 911 or tell police what happened later. So many lies yet he tells more and more facts, now even describing what he thought was a lifeless body being carried with an arm around the chest yet he believes she was strangled. How long did he stand there and listen to the commotion and when was Haleigh put into a black bag. I figure Jr. saw someone carry Haleigh out alive with a blanket, heard a commotion, hid under the covers, Tommy "found" Haleigh on the path and she was brought near the trailer, determined to be lifeless, and THEN put into a black bag and carried away. Tommy doesn't seem to want to tell where she was placed for some reason.

 

[dodie20]

I don't know about anybody else, but reading Tommy's accounts, depress the **** out of me. I went ahead & caught up on artharris.com, (haven't been there in awhile), & I must say, Tommy's stories are pure bunk. he & Joe were gonna 'borrow' a rifle, so they could deer hunt? at night? & high on xanax? I don't know about Satsuma, but around here most of the hunters are rednecks, & they might get drunk on beer or whiskey, but high on pills? NO. & to hunt at night, they'd need a truck with a special spotlight...wonder if Tommy's truck was equipped. Tommy & Joe don't strike me as the outdoorsy type. more like the crackhouse type. But, seeing Tommy mention hunting, makes me think of the woods, & what his real purpose might've been for being in them. I wonder if LE had any sightings? or maybe Lindsey could tell of Tommy's favorite 'hunting' spots. Misty alluded to Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way places, but I don't think she ever gave details.

They always say there's a grain of truth in every lie. I think I believe that, for the most part, especially when someone is guilty of something, & they're trying really hard to hide the truth...because even though they're saying one thing, the truth is all they're really thinking about, & it keeps popping up in the most unexpected places. & that's what I think Tommy was doing when he was talking about hunting. kill a deer with an antique machine gun? What a preposterous paper thin lie. But why did he use hunting for the excuse? I think he had a certain set of woods on his mind. no evidence at the trailer. no evidence in the van. SO, Tommy had a different vehicle, maybe a 'hunting' style truck, & the murder happened somewhere else. When Tommy told the Joe story, that led to the search, I didn't really expect that he had given up all the information, or all of the details. I thought he had probably saved a few things for insurance & to protect himself. Something was in that river, but it's my opinion, that Haleigh is somewhere else. During the layered voice test, Misty talked quite a bit about Tommy, his crack habit, & that being the reason he knew all of the good hiding spots, in the woods,etc...Really, what a random thing to blame on crack. He could've smoked that in his bathroom or back yard & nobody would've cared. Do crackheads really drive around with their stash & hunt for a secluded spot , so the cops won't catch them when they fire up? Aren't they worried they'll get stopped before they find that spot? Aren't they worried they'll get caught before they have a chance to smoke it? The addicts I know, do their stuff as soon as they can, & I think Tommy's like that too...based on him being stoned & passed out at the bus stop. which wasn't an out of the way place, I might add. So, I'm thinking the truth, in this particular set of lies, is that Tommy had some business in the woods.

 

[txsvicki]

The linked blog is now gone and so is the FB NG article. I remember the neighbors saying that Tommy was seen a lot out wandering and walking in the dark and there is also a reason he placed himself at the trailer in his red truck about 10 pm. I still believe that pit bull was throwing a fit that night because he heard something in the woods between the two trailers.

 

[Dr. Know?]

When videos disappear, I always think evidence for the prosecution or it could be removal due to slander or something.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...gger-suits-20100823,0,5604043.story?track=rss

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I don't know about anybody else, but reading Tommy's accounts, depress the **** out of me. I went ahead & caught up on artharris.com, (haven't been there in awhile), & I must say, Tommy's stories are pure bunk. he & Joe were gonna 'borrow' a rifle, so they could deer hunt? at night? & high on xanax? I don't know about Satsuma, but around here most of the hunters are rednecks, & they might get drunk on beer or whiskey, but high on pills? NO. & to hunt at night, they'd need a truck with a special spotlight...wonder if Tommy's truck was equipped. Tommy & Joe don't strike me as the outdoorsy type. more like the crackhouse type. But, seeing Tommy mention hunting, makes me think of the woods, & what his real purpose might've been for being in them. I wonder if LE had any sightings? or maybe Lindsey could tell of Tommy's favorite 'hunting' spots. Misty alluded to Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way places, but I don't think she ever gave details.

I have been looking for days for the old article/audio that someone had said that :waitasec: Tommy, Joe, and Tommy's son were at some lake/pond fishing late at night in the past and they had to leave for what ever reason. It struck me odd that this comment came out of nowhere. Just like the one that Timmy was awake at 1AM. If I am not mistaken it was an interview with Cobra and Ron.

:waitasec:Lyndsey had told Tommy in one of her jail visits that she threw out Tommy and Timmy's boots. That to was odd to me and wonder if she gave them to LE instead of throwing them out.

:waitasec:Tommy also had a red truck that he had tried to sell/pawn that LE found later thought Steph W. or Tim Miller, can't recall which. But last I heard LE did take it in and nobody will answer the big question. Did LE find anything in the truck. Last I heard it was in another state and found that as odd and was thinking that maybe it was sent to a lab somewhere because the FL labs are so backed up, some test are backed up over a couple of yrs.

:waitasec:I have wondered if that red truck was used to transport Haleigh. The van was check and give back, if LE had found anything in that van they would of kept it. Just Like LE has kept Casey Anthony's car.

Misty and Tommy's stories are wild, but I do wonder if there is any truth at all in what they are saying? I just don't buy the Joe killed Haleigh over a gun though. :waitasec:Ronald took those guns out of the house that night, why? What did he know was going to happen that he took the guns out of his MH? Then he cleans them and only gives LE the Barreta. Something very fishy here...

 

[truckengirl]

Tommy can just keep talking and adding more and more facts, because he's digging himself an even deeper hole. All he had to do was call 911 or tell police what happened later. So many lies yet he tells more and more facts, now even describing what he thought was a lifeless body being carried with an arm around the chest yet he believes she was strangled. How long did he stand there and listen to the commotion and when was Haleigh put into a black bag. I figure Jr. saw someone carry Haleigh out alive with a blanket, heard a commotion, hid under the covers, Tommy "found" Haleigh on the path and she was brought near the trailer, determined to be lifeless, and THEN put into a black bag and carried away. Tommy doesn't seem to want to tell where she was placed for some reason.

One of my strongest opinions is that there was some type of sexual assault on Haleigh and that is why they cannot disclose where the body is because they are afraid their DNA evidence might be found on the body and that would equal the death penalty.

 

[Emeralgem]

One of my strongest opinions is that there was some type of sexual assault on Haleigh and that is why they cannot disclose where the body is because they are afraid their DNA evidence might be found on the body and that would equal the death penalty.[/QUOTE]

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IMHO.. Haleigh was NOT sexually assaulted by Tommy, Misty or Jo...
I'm more inclined to believe the Cummings/Sykes clan had her remains disposed of in a manner that would never reveal that fact she was shot and her father was the one responsible for her death..JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

One of my strongest opinions is that there was some type of sexual assault on Haleigh and that is why they cannot disclose where the body is because they are afraid their DNA evidence might be found on the body and that would equal the death penalty.

Just wondering what DNA of theirs that could be found on Haleigh's body after 18 plus months that would prove she was sexually assaulted...JMHO

 

[krkrjx]

Just wondering what DNA of theirs that could be found on Haleigh's body after 18 plus months that would prove she was sexually assaulted...JMHO

DNA or drugs in Haleigh's system at the time of her death could have been detected back then, which would be the reason for her being disposed of in a way that she would never be found and why no one would come clean about where she is.

However, if Haleigh were found now, it is likely no DNA or drug evidence still exists. The only reason no one will tell now is because no one wants it proven that they knew all along where she was.

Another thing I have thought about is this: Even if Haleigh had not been drugged or sexually assaulted, she could have been physically injured in a manner that left evidence of that. Broken bones or bone bruises could be evident even years after such abuse. If she had been tied up, the binds could still be there as evidence.

Whatever happened, I believe was in the works before Ron left for work that day and possibly even days or weeks prior. Ron and his family had just moved into that MH; they had only lived there a couple weeks before Haleigh went missing. It has been said they may have been instructed by DCF to move to a larger home, but what if that was not the real reason for the move? What if Ron moved because he was afraid someone he had crossed in some major way knew his previous address? Misty having to have a gun under her pillow for 'protection' against an intruder leads me to believe Ron thought that possibility more real than most citizens would.

I try to move away from this kind of scenario because it complicates things more than I like them to be; however, this is truly a complicated case all around given the cast of characters, all being shady and seemingly having 'something' to hide.

I have even actually considered that Misty could have sold Haleigh, or perhaps loaned her out as payment for drugs fully expecting her to be returned. I have not posted that idea here because the idea sickens me to no end. Many people believe Misty loved Haleigh. Well, I am not so sure she did. I did not see Misty grieve; in fact, she appeared to me to be at times enjoying the limelight and other times smiling, laughing, and having time time of her life very soon after Haleigh's demise.

Whether Misty was directly involved I am not sure, but I also am not yet convinced she wasn't. Whatever Misty's role, she did not love Haleigh enough to come to her rescue that night or, at the very least, call 911 at her first opportunity to do so. No, Misty continues to cover for herself and possibly others; she has done absolutely nothing for Haleigh.

For a while I thought Misty was not at the MH that night prior to 2:30 AM when the neighbor heard her in the yard on the phone crying. But in all this time she has never admitted to that, so I am less inclined to believe she was not home. IOW, Misty would have an out if she could prove she was elsewhere when the crime went down and given her current situation, if she was not there that night, she would have said so by now.

RC's bond has been cut in half now. If he gets out now, might Misty's memory improve?

All JMO.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

In the words of Judge Marilyn Milian...

I wouldn't believe you if your tongue came notorized...:innocent:

Unless either of Croslins can produce whatever is left of HaLeigh, or other forensic evidence, they will never be believed....JMHO

Where is HaLeigh???

 

[1Chump]

Something to remember about this version by both Misty and Tommy. This is what the version they gave right after they were arrested. We do not know if this is the same version they gave once they had spent some time in jail.

 

[krkrjx]

Something to remember about this version by both Misty and Tommy. This is what the version they gave right after they were arrested. We do not know if this is the same version they gave once they had spent some time in jail.

I agree it's what may have been told by Misty right after being arrested. But not Tommy. Tommy held out that he did not know that Joe had done anything and he was not going to say someone did something that they didn't do. But then he changed his mind and implicated Joe, with various versions of the story since. And in phone conversations with Hank not too long after the Shell Harbor search Tommy was saying that he did what he had to do--he gave LE want they wanted. That could mean either he gave LE some facts, or he simply told them what he thought they wanted to hear.

Either way, Tommy was mute on the "Joe did it" scenario until at least the first part of April 2010, after which significant parts of his story changed several times.

I also consider that the reporting is not what it should be. News media skews the facts all too often, and I give little regard to anything put out by AH. He has, IMO, done more damage to Haleigh's case than good. He often reports things out of context, IMO. But he's not the only one!

 

[lonetraveler]

bbm

Kant, don't forget about what Ron said about Jr being spared...."imagine that"
WTH? What was that suppose to mean?

Makes you wonder if both children were suppose to have been taken.

 

[krkrjx]

If Misty and Tommy did give statements to LE, they would have had to sign those statements. I would really like to see their signed statements because without that, it is hard to know if they have in fact told numerous versions. Meaning, the press gets ahold of something that was said and goes with it. And later more information comes out about the story, and that is printed...and so on. Eventually, what we have could be bits and pieces of comments made or rumors passed, published into the Story of the Week, which then appears to be yet another version each time something appears in print.

Not sure I have articulated that well enough; what I want to say is maybe there are not as many versions by M and T as we are being led to believe by the media.

Werter's statement changing from JO and TC wanting to steal a gun to them just hoping to borrow a gun...that does bother me. Makes me think TC said "steal" but his attorney thought it best to change it to "borrow."

 

[suspicious1]

Makes you wonder if both children were suppose to have been taken.

Wow, Lone...now that you mention it, it does sound like both of his children were suppose to have been taken. I never thought about that. It makes me question, even more, why JR was spared. Maybe because JR wasn't there? IDK

 

[tfrohning]

The linked blog is now gone and so is the FB NG article. I remember the neighbors saying that Tommy was seen a lot out wandering and walking in the dark and there is also a reason he placed himself at the trailer in his red truck about 10 pm. I still believe that pit bull was throwing a fit that night because he heard something in the woods between the two trailers.

this is also the last time Misty seen Haleigh per her 911 call.

I was reading the transcript again for 100th time and that just pop out at me:waitasec:

 

[Emeralgem]

DNA or drugs in Haleigh's system at the time of her death could have been detected back then, which would be the reason for her being disposed of in a way that she would never be found and why no one would come clean about where she is.

However, if Haleigh were found now, it is likely no DNA or drug evidence still exists. The only reason no one will tell now is because no one wants it proven that they knew all along where she was.

All JMO.

BBM.. I understand what you are saying however the post I was replying to stated.......they cannot disclose where the body is because they are afraid their DNA evidence might be found on the body and that would equal the death penalty.

I understood that statement to mean the poster was referring to present time..

Also, you mentioned physical injuries that could be detected as being a reason to dispose of a body so it would never be found. Well, IF Haleigh was shot, I'm certain physical evidence would point to that being fact IF ever found..I suspect The Cummings/Sykes knew this....JMO

Personally, I don't believe Tommy, Misty or Jo know where Haleigh's remains were taken that night/early morning to be disposed of and thats the reason they can't tell where she is..One thing for certain the Cummings knew how to set them up to take the fall..
NOT calling 911 immediately when the incident happened is the BIGGEST mistake the whole dang motley crew has ever made...JMHO

 

[krkrjx]

Emeralgem.....I agree! IF Haleigh had been shot, likely the bullet would have passed through bone. Actually, the bullet could still be there whenever she is found. I was trying to say certain DNA might not be evident any longer, but specific injuries might still be evident, even at this late date. The perp(s) did not want Haleigh found, period. And that could mean there IS evidence to be found with her.