GUILTY UK - Brianna Ghey, 16, murdered in Culcheth Linear Park, Feb 2023 *2 teenagers charged*

[Skigh]

Ah I missed that...yeah that is weird he would use it in context and then claim to not understand the question

There seem to be quite a few questions he does not understand!! I think he replies he does not understand when he wants more time to answer questions.

 

[Honeybirdette]

There seems to be lots of aggravating factors for boy y. the transphobic language he used against Brianna, (girl x always used the correct pronouns) the blood evidence on his clothes and shoes which strongly suggests him being the one that stabbed her. It was his weapon and he brought it with him on the day of the murder.
I think someone mentioned earlier they think his culpability would be less than girl x. I disagree. They also have these messages of him suggesting various poison to kill her with showing strong premeditation. Huge aggravating factors imo. If guilty, I’d say he’s even more of a danger to the public than she is.

 

[Mirabel091]

DH: “Did you think about calling for help for Brianna?”
Y: “I didn’t think I needed to.”

Oh, my.

 

[Honeybirdette]

DH: “Did you think about calling for help for Brianna?”
Y: “I didn’t think I needed to.”

Oh, my.

He definitely knows right from wrong, and he knows leaving someone in a bloodied heap on the floor after watching his friend stab her is wrong. He’s a liar

 

[Honeybirdette]

DH: “But you told them you’d been there. That wasn’t a lie, was it?”

Intermediary: “Could you rephrase the question?”

DH: “What did you think you had done wrong that caused you to lie about having the knife?”

Y: “The knife had been brought to Culcheth by me, which was used by Girl X to stab BG, which I thought I would get told off for.”

DH: “You told us that you didn’t know Girl X was going to stab Brianna. Why couldn’t you just tell the police that?”

Intermediary: “He’s point to I don’t understand the question.”

Brianna Ghey murder trial live updates as Girl X gives evidence

The 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl was fatally stabbed in a park and two teenagers are charged with her murder

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

This is a tad infuriating now… I’m struggling to believe he doesn’t understand this many simple and unambiguous questions.

 

[Honeybirdette]

Y: “I do not know what the feeling of fear feels like physically.”

Also Y -

Y: “I was scared for many reasons at the police station, so I didn’t want to be even more scared by being told off.”

Brianna Ghey murder trial live updates as Girl X gives evidence

The 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl was fatally stabbed in a park and two teenagers are charged with her murder

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Not sure how anyone can read through his testimony today and believe he isn’t playing it up.
It’s inconsistency after inconsistency now.

 

[Dave32]

Out of interest how does the Liverpool Echo get the court transcript? It seems like it's word for word.

 

[Honeybirdette]

I know girl x and boy y are currently in secure child units at the moment, what happens if they are found guilty?
Will they be sent to a young offenders?
Will they be sent to prison when they turn 18?
We know boy y has been diagnosed with autism. Is that enough to warrant being sent to a hospital as opposed to a prison?

 

[bobbymkii]

Out of interest how does the Liverpool Echo get the court transcript? It seems like it's word for word.

they don't get the official court record, they just have a journalist reporting.

And it's not word for word, there will definitely be quite a lot of testimony that has been left out.

 

[Skigh]

I know girl x and boy y are currently in secure child units at the moment, what happens if they are found guilty?
Will they be sent to a young offenders?
Will they be sent to prison when they turn 18?
We know boy y has been diagnosed with autism. Is that enough to warrant being sent to a hospital as opposed to a prison?

I think some of the secure units also hold young offenders . I do not think being autistic would warrant being sent to hospital . I also think some young offenders units have psychiatric care.

 

[Lincoln34]

I know girl x and boy y are currently in secure child units at the moment, what happens if they are found guilty?
Will they be sent to a young offenders?
Will they be sent to prison when they turn 18?
We know boy y has been diagnosed with autism. Is that enough to warrant being sent to a hospital as opposed to a prison?

HereAutism cannot be ‘cured’ as such. It’s a life long condition and often undiagnosed. There is a higher number of prisoners with neurodiverse conditions than in the population as a whole, but accurate statistics are not available . The Government recently commissioned a report re the subject. Link above at ‘Here’ ( link clearly wants to be at the top! Can’t seem to put it further down post)

 

[Skigh]

Y: “I do not know what the feeling of fear feels like physically.”

Also Y -

Y: “I was scared for many reasons at the police station, so I didn’t want to be even more scared by being told off.”

Brianna Ghey murder trial live updates as Girl X gives evidence

The 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl was fatally stabbed in a park and two teenagers are charged with her murder

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Not sure how anyone can read through his testimony today and believe he isn’t playing it up.
It’s inconsistency after inconsistency now.

I am sure members of the jury will see the inconsistencies ,he is doing himself no favours.

 

[bobbymkii]

Court is back in session

Brianna Ghey murder trial live updates as Girl X gives evidence

The 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl was fatally stabbed in a park and two teenagers are charged with her murder

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Honeybirdette]

The questions for you are whether you are sure that she or he knowingly participated in the killing and did so with the intention that Brianna should die or at least be caused really serious injury.

“People may play different parts in a crime. Both admit they were present at the scene, but mere presence is not enough to amount to participation. You must be sure either he or she stabbed Brianna or caused, helped or encouraged the defendant to inflict the fatal stab wounds and had the relevant intention at the time.

“The prosecution do not have to prove who stabbed Brianna, whether it was one or both of the defendants. What matters is whether you are sure the defendant played a part in the killing, intending that Brianna die or be caused really serious injury.”

Brianna Ghey murder trial live updates as Girl X gives evidence

The 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl was fatally stabbed in a park and two teenagers are charged with her murder

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Honeybirdette]

What was the point in bringing the jury in today for 45 minuites ??

 

[Skigh]

What was the point in bringing the jury in today for 45 minuites ??

Maybe she hopes that the defence speeches and her summing up can be done on Monday morning /early afternoon and the jury sent out later on Monday

I personally do not think it will take the jury long to decide their verdicts.

 

[Parker Knoll]

No me neither, not long at all.

 

[bobbymkii]

What was the point in bringing the jury in today for 45 minuites ??

Maybe judge and counsel think it might be worthwhile for the jury to think about the legal instructions over the weekend before closing arguments begin on Monday?

That's the best theory I can think of!

 

[Skigh]

Maybe judge and counsel think it might be worthwhile for the jury to think about the legal instructions over the weekend before closing arguments begin on Monday?

That's the best theory I can think of!

That had crossed my mind too.

 

[Dave32]

That had crossed my mind too.

When I was on a jury at the end of every day the judge told us to go away, go home, and forget about the trial until next time we were in court. I don't know if those are standard directions though.