UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[Popejohn3]

Good for me, therefore: Thank you!

Penelope's story is interesting, but not fully reasonable and not complete, IMO.

@FromGermany
You’ve been on this quite awhile now , may I ask what brought you here to begin with ?

 

[ArcadeFire]

I asked first, what’s the drug evidence?

 

[keep-it-real]

THERE IS NO DRUGS SHE WAS GOING WITH SOMEONE SHE SHOULDNT AND HE GOT JEALOUS OR WHATEVER AND DID FOR HER. END OFF.

I’m going to have to ignore drug related posts from now on. Please. Anybody. List the EVIDENCE for drugs and not just oh this CCTV footage Magnified to 1000 so it’s entirely pixilated looks like a pack of weed rubbish. I want proper evidence not speculation

the difficulty with forums are that it brings together many people who are at different stages of their research into a case. So I understand you might feel certain things do not factor into to where you are personally with the case, but perhaps as your research develops you may find these things do play a part so my advice is to anyone is make note of them carry on with your own reseach you may reach a point where these things fit into the jigsaw. remember we are talking about what was happening around CL at the time of her disappearance personally Im looking to see if she had any involvement in these activities and what was her relationship was to people who were invovled in these activities.

Personally I wouldnt discount anyone or anything

 

[keep-it-real]

arcade fire...we may be wrong, but give me your evidence it was just a boyfriend issue....ive known quite a few women who have had lots of boyfriends, some of them married, some dubious, but. they've never been bumped off.

as far as I know, there's no record of a boyfriend threatening her and the police have never said that its specifically boyfriend related, so we could just as well say ignore that...which we aren't doing.
im not suggesting magnifying the cctv to 1000...im just saying look at it carefully...you can see better. with the lights out.

im not arrogant enough to rule out your boyfriend theory...but I think, if thats true, its someone of considerable criminal or financial or local clout because of the way it was cleared up so
efficiently.

of course, you could be right that it was just. some ordinary bloke whose friends had no experience of how to. clean up a crime. scene and they all just got very lucky...but id say thats definitely against the laws of probability

I would also add that it seems extreme to threaten and warn off a sky news reporter if it was just a case of a she was having an affair with someone.
Those type of stories are in the press all the time remember the David Mellor and his affair with Antonia de Sancha which ended his political career.

 

[cortina]

arcade fire....neither of us have any hard evidence...lets be honest....but im not ruling out your theory, whereas you're completely ruling out mine.

claudia was involved with men who were in....what were supposed to be....steady or permanent relationships.....there were also rogues and drugs in her immediate environment.

I dont understand why you're convinced you're. so absolutely correct, thats all, when all the elements happening together, would be highly unlikely....but not impossible, ill admit

 

[Popejohn3]

I would also add that it seems extreme to threaten and warn off a sky news reporter if it was just a case of a she was having an affair with someone.
Those type of stories are in the press all the time remember the David Mellor and his affair with Antonia de Sancha which ended his political career.

Exactly!But if you can avoid the limelight ( law practice/ mayoral adventure ) why not ?
After all her murder (?) was not necessarily Connected to the whole of her life and her family’s life

 

[Popejohn3]

I would also add that it seems extreme to threaten and warn off a sky news reporter if it was just a case of a she was having an affair with someone.
Those type of stories are in the press all the time remember the David Mellor and his affair with Antonia de Sancha which ended his political career.

And I bet there are many stories like that , that never see the light of day !

 

[cortina]

popejohn, i dont understand your last but one post

 

[keep-it-real]

Exactly!But if you can avoid the limelight ( law practice/ mayoral adventure ) why not ?
After all her murder (?) was not necessarily Connected to the whole of her life and her family’s life

let me see if I read you correctly PJ.. are you saying that your daughter has gone missing police launch one of the biggest investigations in Yorkshire to find her and the family would draw a line about what should be disclosed about her life and people she associated with because of any adverse effect it might have on their careers?

 

[cortina]

sometimes I find the reasoning by the police so thin as to be almost insulting....but I suspect thats because they're withholding information.

for example, they say that alley man is a local because he seems to know the streets....he may just be someone who has stayed with claudia or someone in that area a few times before.

I dont know whether hes a local or not, but I dont think the logic holds up from the cctv weve seen

 

[Popejohn3]

popejohn, i dont understand your last but one post

It was a response to kir ‘s last sentence

 

[Popejohn3]

let me see if I read you correctly PJ.. are you saying that your daughter has gone missing police launch one of the biggest investigations in Yorkshire to find her and the family would draw a line about what should be disclosed about her life and people she associated with because of any adverse effect it might have on their careers?

Yes !
Because there is no need for the whole country to see the dirty linen on the washing line!
It’s okay for your neighbour to witness it but not for them to take pictures for the whole world to see imo

 

[keep-it-real]

sometimes I find the reasoning by the police so thin as to be almost insulting....but I suspect thats because they're withholding information.

for example, they say that alley man is a local because he seems to know the streets....he may just be someone who has stayed with claudia or someone in that area a few times before.

I dont know whether hes a local or not, but I dont think the logic holds up from the cctv weve seen

if he was a professional criminal or part of a professional gang he would have scouted the area out beforehand.
Perhaps the police were offering a clue that he was local.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

arcade fire....neither of us have any hard evidence...lets be honest....but im not ruling out your theory, whereas you're completely ruling out mine.

claudia was involved with men who were in....what were supposed to be....steady or permanent relationships.....there were also rogues and drugs in her immediate environment.

I dont understand why you're convinced you're. so absolutely correct, thats all, when all the elements happening together, would be highly unlikely....but not impossible, ill admit

Do you have a link confirming there were drugs in her immediate environment?

All info on WS presented as fact should be supported by a link to MSM.

Thanks

 

[ArcadeFire]

Cortina, I have to say I rest my case then. As I knew. No evidence for drugs. No go. Whereas the police and locals have made it known she slept around hence pissing people off who would then in turn wish her harm. Don’t look for stuff that isn’t there. Yes people in circle may have taken drugs. People in her friendship group may have believed in alien abduction does that mean she’s been taken by little green men. Stick to what’s there that’s all we can do. I hope you don’t think I’m having a go at you because I’m not.

Completely different line here but I had a dream about the case the other night, must have been lingering in my subconscious before bed.

Also, if they ever made a dramatisation out of it who do you think would play Claudia? Jim Broadbent would be her father I suspect...

 

[ArcadeFire]

Cortina, I have to say I rest my case then. As I knew. No evidence for drugs. No go. Whereas the police and locals have made it known she slept around hence pissing people off who would then in turn wish her harm. Don’t look for stuff that isn’t there. Yes people in circle may have taken drugs. People in her friendship group may have believed in alien abduction does that mean she’s been taken by little green men. Stick to what’s there that’s all we can do. I hope you don’t think I’m having a go at you because I’m not.

Completely different line here but I had a dream about the case the other night, must have been lingering in my subconscious before bed.

Also, if they ever made a dramatisation out of it who do you think would play Claudia? Jim Broadbent would be her father I suspect...

Do you have a link confirming there were drugs in her immediate environment?

All info on WS presented as fact should be supported by a link to MSM.

Thanks

Of course there is no link this is what I’m saying it’s all invented in people’s minds trying to imagine a reason rather than looking at what is known which is far more logical

 

[cortina]

no evidence that it was a boyfriend, either....im not getting at you either, .....I just want you to keep an open mind.

the little green man analogy doesn't really work because believing in little green man probably won't endanger your life.

but, say her friends liked. to play Russian roulette....then you'd have to say that there'd. be a chance shed try it out.

no, I dont have proof for the drugs and im not insisting on drugs, but we know that the police described her friends as a rogues gallery and. we could be talking about any kind. of crime here...drugs are the most obvious example, but the major had heard rumours of sex films...it could be people smuggling, sex trafficking.....anything.

gb clearly thought he'd found something more serious than extra marital sex....im just asking people not to close their minds....the police haven't mentioned a motive.....you may be right, but please simply. try to consider that. it may be something else instead....

 

[cortina]

arcade fire....what do we know.....we know that claudia had some boyfriends who were otherwise engaged, but we also know that a lot of her boyfriends....whether single or not....were living in an environment of illegality.

either or both of those factors...or neither...could be the motive...just keep all the possibilities open until we can find out what really happened

 

[Popejohn3]

Cortina, I have to say I rest my case then. As I knew. No evidence for drugs. No go. Whereas the police and locals have made it known she slept around hence pissing people off who would then in turn wish her harm. Don’t look for stuff that isn’t there. Yes people in circle may have taken drugs. People in her friendship group may have believed in alien abduction does that mean she’s been taken by little green men. Stick to what’s there that’s all we can do. I hope you don’t think I’m having a go at you because I’m not.

Completely different line here but I had a dream about the case the other night, must have been lingering in my subconscious before bed.

Also, if they ever made a dramatisation out of it who do you think would play Claudia? Jim Broadbent would be her father I suspect...

Come on share the dream ?
If possible ?

 

[keep-it-real]

Cortina, I have to say I rest my case then. As I knew. No evidence for drugs. No go. Whereas the police and locals have made it known she slept around hence pissing people off who would then in turn wish her harm. Don’t look for stuff that isn’t there. Yes people in circle may have taken drugs. People in her friendship group may have believed in alien abduction does that mean she’s been taken by little green men. Stick to what’s there that’s all we can do. I hope you don’t think I’m having a go at you because I’m not.

Completely different line here but I had a dream about the case the other night, must have been lingering in my subconscious before bed.

Also, if they ever made a dramatisation out of it who do you think would play Claudia? Jim Broadbent would be her father I suspect...


Of course there is no link this is what I’m saying it’s all invented in people’s minds trying to imagine a reason rather than looking at what is known which is far more logical

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