UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[Jennifersausage]

My lap showed an error mesage when I posted so I hit the post button agin only to find it had duplicated my post.. so I deleted the duplicate post ... apologises for any confusion

No worries

 

[keep-it-real]

If she was in such a scheme, then the police going on crimewatch and saying she led a complicated life that family and friends will be unaware of effectively threatens to ‘out’ her which is against the law and against the point of the protection scheme. It just wouldn’t happen.

have you considered that Claudia may have been working in some capacity alongside law enforcement

IMO
Dyor

 

[keep-it-real]

Does it matter where NYP keep her car?

My thoughts were that saying it was in a garage in Layerthorpe would not be too far from the truth if it was in fact in a police compound/garage in Layerthorpe..
Im curious why if it was in a garage for repair that no one will say which garage that was.
There is of course the possibilty that the garage is connected to the case and that is why there has been no disclosure of the name.
Knowing the name of the garage could open things up for me as I have some loose ends re any actitivity around the car.

 

[Popejohn3]

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Its interesting that although they gathered DNA and her dental details she could not be traced. Distributing her image through the National Crime Agency to Europol also drew a blank.
The Council said in 20 years they have never come across an unnamed person in those circumstances.
I noted she was wearing a possibly french made necklace unfortunately no details of maker so I havent been able to follow that through.
The oddest comment in that article to me was There is the trace of a smile on her lips
something that I would associate with photos Ive seen of Claudia
No mention of her height tho

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yes the smile is weird

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She can’t have been in a protection programme .

In a protection programme she can't have been, if living her life at the same same hometown, same address, with same name, same job, same friends, parents nearby and in contact, sister and family known publicly, holidays here and there, travelling here and there. Otherwise TV movies have shown a false truth about witnesses in protection to me all the time.

 

[keep-it-real]

If she was in such a scheme, then the police going on crimewatch and saying she led a complicated life that family and friends will be unaware of effectively threatens to ‘out’ her which is against the law and against the point of the protection scheme. It just wouldn’t happen.

In a protection programme she can't have been, if living her life at the same same hometown, same address, with same name, same job, same friends, parents nearby and in contact, sister and family known publicly, holidays here and there, travelling here and there. Otherwise TV movies have shown a false truth about witnesses in protection to me all the time.

To be clear when I refer to Claudia being protected and in a protected programme I am not talking about a 'witness protection' programme.

 

[Thelastleg]

have you considered that Claudia may have been working in some capacity alongside law enforcement

IMO
Dyor

IMO if Claudia was helping the police in some way, they would look after her security. Why would they let her walk to work where she would be in a more vulnerable situation. If her car was awaiting a new engine, I'm sure they would have either got it fixed right away or supplied a car for her, if only an old banger so as not to draw attention to the fact.

 

[keep-it-real]

IMO if Claudia was helping the police in some way, they would look after her security. Why would they let her walk to work where she would be in a more vulnerable situation. If her car was awaiting a new engine, I'm sure they would have either got it fixed right away or supplied a car for her, if only an old banger so as not to draw attention to the fact.

Its my opinion that claudia's movements and the means she used to travel between them in the days leading up to her disappearance were only to be known by Claudia and the people protecting her, and explains why she declined use of Peters car and Joans offer to pay for a taxi. I dont think it was an accident that Claudia had distanced herself from the NH and the people who frequented it in those days.
I dont believe she was ever out of sight of the people protecting her which can be seen at the Uni (Look for the woman in the long beige coat at the counter in the canteen) two people in the lobby one wearing a camo jacket, people in the car park, and the light coloured jacket man also at the uni who I believe met her to accompany her walk part of the way on the 18th)all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case.
The left handed smoker on Melsrosegate bridge was in my opinion walking her to work or part way. I say part way as I think Claudia also took the journey or parts of the journey in vehicles.
Different modes of transport/routes would support tactics employed by a law enforcement agancy protecting someone.
A personal vehicle would be used on a daily basis is a target for tampering, hijack etc
where I understand this may appear extreme to some people but I think it will make more sense later.

 

[Popejohn3]

Its my opinion that claudia's movements and the means she used to travel between them in the days leading up to her disappearance were only to be known by Claudia and the people protecting her, and explains why she declined use of Peters car and Joans offer to pay for a taxi. I dont think it was an accident that Claudia had distanced herself from the NH and the people who frequented it in those days.
I dont believe she was ever out of sight of the people protecting her which can be seen at the Uni (Look for the woman in the long beige coat at the counter in the canteen) two people in the lobby one wearing a camo jacket, people in the car park, and the light coloured jacket man also at the uni who I believe met her to accompany her walk part of the way on the 18th)all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case.
The left handed smoker on Melsrosegate bridge was in my opinion walking her to work or part way. I say part way as I think Claudia also took the journey or parts of the journey in vehicles.
Different modes of transport/routes would support tactics employed by a law enforcement agancy protecting someone.
A personal vehicle would be used on a daily basis is a target for tampering, hijack etc
where I understand this may appear extreme to some people but I think it will make more sense later.

Interesting!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

To be clear when I refer to Claudia being protected and in a protected programme I am not talking about a 'witness protection' programme.

Who has the privilege to be protected by police over days?

 

[Jennifersausage]

have you considered that Claudia may have been working in some capacity alongside law enforcement

IMO
Dyor

No - they’d keep her low key if she was.

 

[Jennifersausage]

My thoughts were that saying it was in a garage in Layerthorpe would not be too far from the truth if it was in fact in a police compound/garage in Layerthorpe..
Im curious why if it was in a garage for repair that no one will say which garage that was.
There is of course the possibilty that the garage is connected to the case and that is why there has been no disclosure of the name.
Knowing the name of the garage could open things up for me as I have some loose ends re any actitivity around the car.

Are you based near York? Have you ever been? Would you consider a trip there?

 

[Jennifersausage]

To be clear when I refer to Claudia being protected and in a protected programme I am not talking about a 'witness protection' programme.

I’m not sure what it is you’re referring to then - could you explain further please?

 

[Jennifersausage]

Its my opinion that claudia's movements and the means she used to travel between them in the days leading up to her disappearance were only to be known by Claudia and the people protecting her, and explains why she declined use of Peters car and Joans offer to pay for a taxi. I dont think it was an accident that Claudia had distanced herself from the NH and the people who frequented it in those days.
I dont believe she was ever out of sight of the people protecting her which can be seen at the Uni (Look for the woman in the long beige coat at the counter in the canteen) two people in the lobby one wearing a camo jacket, people in the car park, and the light coloured jacket man also at the uni who I believe met her to accompany her walk part of the way on the 18th)all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case.
The left handed smoker on Melsrosegate bridge was in my opinion walking her to work or part way. I say part way as I think Claudia also took the journey or parts of the journey in vehicles.
Different modes of transport/routes would support tactics employed by a law enforcement agancy protecting someone.
A personal vehicle would be used on a daily basis is a target for tampering, hijack etc
where I understand this may appear extreme to some people but I think it will make more sense later.

“all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case”. Could you please explain where?

 

[Jennifersausage]

Its my opinion that claudia's movements and the means she used to travel between them in the days leading up to her disappearance were only to be known by Claudia and the people protecting her, and explains why she declined use of Peters car and Joans offer to pay for a taxi. I dont think it was an accident that Claudia had distanced herself from the NH and the people who frequented it in those days.
I dont believe she was ever out of sight of the people protecting her which can be seen at the Uni (Look for the woman in the long beige coat at the counter in the canteen) two people in the lobby one wearing a camo jacket, people in the car park, and the light coloured jacket man also at the uni who I believe met her to accompany her walk part of the way on the 18th)all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case.
The left handed smoker on Melsrosegate bridge was in my opinion walking her to work or part way. I say part way as I think Claudia also took the journey or parts of the journey in vehicles.
Different modes of transport/routes would support tactics employed by a law enforcement agancy protecting someone.
A personal vehicle would be used on a daily basis is a target for tampering, hijack etc
where I understand this may appear extreme to some people but I think it will make more sense later.

Protected persons

 

[keep-it-real]

I’m not sure what it is you’re referring to then - could you explain further please?

Protection could be provided for people who are in some way helping with the investigation of serious crimes.

I see you have answered your own question in your later post under Protected persons

Some of Claudia's friends said she had an ex/policeman boyfriend Claudia's family said this disclosure came from reliable sources.

 

[Jennifersausage]

Protection could be provided for people who are in some way helping with the investigation of serious crimes.

I see you have answered your own question in your later post under Protected persons

Some of Claudia's friends said she had an ex/policeman boyfriend Claudia's family said this disclosure came from reliable sources.

I didn’t answer my own post using protected persons. If CL had been a protected person she wouldn’t have been splashed all over crimewatch. I used that link to show how she couldn’t possibly be a protected person.

 

[Jennifersausage]

“all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case”. Could you please explain where?

“all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case”. Could you please explain where? I’m really interested in this.

 

[keep-it-real]

“all these people can be seen elsewhere in other cctv around the case”. Could you please explain where? I’m really interested in this.

Woman in beige coat with dark curl hair .. seen in canteen on 18th. melrosegate PO clip on the 18th, Heworth road 18th. also seen on the video of balloon release for Claudia in York centre.
Male in Camo Jacket in Uni Lobby, alleyman video, video clip of melrosegate post office 19th March.
Man in light Jacket, photo outside costcutters, uni car par, on Heworth rd.

Its important to have an interest in looking at cctv in detail Ive mentioned before that it is painstaking but can be rewarding.. Im no expert but pm me if you find you are having difficulty with it

 

[keep-it-real]

I didn’t answer my own post using protected persons. If CL had been a protected person she wouldn’t have been splashed all over crimewatch. I used that link to show how she couldn’t possibly be a protected person.

I beg to differ..
Were parts of her life shrouded in mystery and secrecy because she she had a role within the NCA?
As this organisations operations are carried out with highest degree of secrecy any involvement a person would have had in it would not be made public.

I think its worthwhile checking out the NCA website,the type of people who work for them and invaluable work they do.

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