UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[keep-it-real]

There's a good percentage chance that a considerable amount of planning has gone into it because up to now the guilty have got away with it

Unless they have been lucky

You could suggest that if there has been planning. Then what ever climate triggered the guilty to act in such a way; had been occurring for some time

I think this is a good point @MEKON I wondered wether Claudia was a jealous person, not outwardly but emotionally jealous, and has her disappearance something to do with her trying to double cross someone.

 

[MEKON]

Perhaps the phone went in the postbox x

And perhaps that meant Claudia had fulfilled her part of the deal that Claudia instigated. That being i'll return X (a phone) because you have just paid me X amount of cash?

There was a lot of discussion about Claudia being possibly trailed and watched that day. A Red van was seen various times wasn't it? Could that be someone monitoring Claudia to make sure she had posted the phone?

Interestingly; wasn't there a 20 minute period in the afternoon that was discussed. This was due to Claudia popping out somewhere local. I'm sure it was suggested that a local phone box could of been used to make a call. Was this a call made to the other party in order to inform them that the item had been posted

Therefore has the ending been a need to obtain Claudias other phone and to get the cash back?

 

[MEKON]

Perhaps the phone went in the postbox x

IMO Vixey a great suggestion


And perhaps that meant Claudia had fulfilled her part of the deal that Claudia instigated. That being i'll return X (a phone) because you have just paid me X amount of cash?

There was a lot of discussion about Claudia being possibly trailed and watched that day. A Red van was seen various times wasn't it? Could that be someone monitoring Claudia to make sure she had posted the phone? (I'll credit again the gallant work of MajorLang for various bits here)

Interestingly; wasn't there a 20 minute period in the afternoon that was discussed. This was due to Claudia popping out somewhere local. I'm sure it was suggested that a local phone box could of been used to make a call. Was this a call made to the other party in order to inform them that the item had been posted

Therefore has the ending been a need to obtain Claudias other phone and to get the cash back?

 

[MEKON]

Yes thats how I understand it.

What Im not sure of is how incoming calls and messages to the sim that is not in use at the time are handled ie what message if any the incoming caller gets.

Someone on here will no the "ins and outs" of it

But I am sure if you have SIM X in your phone and SIM Y in your purse.

If someone rings you on number X; your phone will obviously ring. If someone texts you, your phone inbox will obviously alert

If you take SIM X out and insert SIM Y into your phone. I'm sure after a minute or so that texts will start appearing on number Y

I am not sure about any potential missed calls showing though on SIM Y made to that SIM number when it was out of the phone and inside the purse

 

[oudzuid]

Yes thats how I understand it.

What Im not sure of is how incoming calls and messages to the sim that is not in use at the time are handled ie what message if any the incoming caller gets.

That is the difference with SIM swapping as @MEKON has described @keep-it-real A dual SIM phone means that you will always get the call / message.

 

[oudzuid]

And perhaps that meant Claudia had fulfilled her part of the deal that Claudia instigated. That being i'll return X (a phone) because you have just paid me X amount of cash?

There was a lot of discussion about Claudia being possibly trailed and watched that day. A Red van was seen various times wasn't it? Could that be someone monitoring Claudia to make sure she had posted the phone?

Interestingly; wasn't there a 20 minute period in the afternoon that was discussed. This was due to Claudia popping out somewhere local. I'm sure it was suggested that a local phone box could of been used to make a call. Was this a call made to the other party in order to inform them that the item had been posted

Therefore has the ending been a need to obtain Claudias other phone and to get the cash back?

I always wondered if police checked calls made from this local phone box. I did alert Cold Case team to this last year but not sure what they did with the information. I even identified the phone box.

 

[keep-it-real]

That is the difference with SIM swapping as @MEKON has described @keep-it-real A dual SIM phone means that you will always get the call / message.

according to Wikipedia Samsung only started producing dual sim phones in the early 2010's so her Samsung D99 so that particular phone doesnt appear to be able to support that option.

Thats not say she different have a different make and model of phone with that option though, if she did why would she continue using her old samsung as she did?

But @MEKON points out 2 sims interchanging them individually in the same phone is definately an option.

Is there anyone more tech savvi than me who could answer the question:-
In 2009 what response would an incoming caller receive when making an incoming call/text to a sim number that was not in use at the time

 

[Vixey]

I always wondered if police checked calls made from this local phone box. I did alert Cold Case team to this last year but not sure what they did with the information. I even identified the phone box.

Was there a pay phone in the nags for guests x

 

[MEKON]

I always wondered if police checked calls made from this local phone box. I did alert Cold Case team to this last year but not sure what they did with the information. I even identified the phone box.

With reference to the period when Claudia left work in the afternoon. If someone was monitoring her movements in order to see if and when she had perhaps posted something. Then how could the ''trailer'' of known what Claudia's movements were, so the ''trailer'' could get their ''trailing'' points and timings correct?

Was there someone inside the complex where Claudia worked having a 'long Coffee' in order to relay Claudia's movements onto 'the trailer''

If all of the above was the case; then surely the item or items was something of worth to more than just one person.

Additionally; if 1 individual had a problem to solve that just involved themself and Claudia, then surely it would be harder to 'drag in' other assistants to be involved in such a deed. Having 'assistants' could point to the issue that a wider set of 'assistants' had to be helpful; because they were implemented

In contrast; maybe the 'assistants' have been paid, bribed or even threatened to become involved

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

Limes Court image of figure (Actually 2 figures and not 1 as Police suggest). Showing a tall male carrying a smaller female (with her feet off the ground) in the direction of the alleyway. The tall figure returns with an extremely LARGE 3ft wide x 2ft x 1.5ft bodybag (which is way larger than what is referred to as a rucksack or backpack.

Another member of this forum motivated me to LOOK into this AGAIN. And I have more visuals. I will not reveal what THEY KNOW but will reveal more DATA on what i deduced the first time I came to this forum.

 

[Popejohn3]

I agree with you @keep-it-real Claudia even if she was taught how to use the dual sim, that as you say were not in wider usage then (More for business purposes) would likely struggle and could make mistakes by calling on wrong SIM. It is more likely if there were 2 phones that she was given one to use for discretion and could even be a "Burner Phone".

On another subject it was said that CL didnt have a FB account. I believe that it was not only Suzy but also LE that qualified this.

I find this strange for a girl who liked to talk lots by SMS.
Police told Suzy that even she didn't know the complexity of what her friend CL was up to.

Perhaps CL had an FB account in the name of Cat or another Pseudonym?

Pre heavy use of Tinder she may have met some new friends this way?

Police told Suzy that even she didn't know the complexity of what her friend CL was up to.

Did the police get this ‘complexity’ from one source or many ( sources ) ?

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

No.13
I also introduced a SUSPECT that was connected to the HORWELL BROS (affair)... their scrapyard deal... and the VUDU LOUNGE (club) owners... as I thought I had seen a red football hanger in the rear window of the enhanced footage of the car speeding up Heworth Rd.

LOCATION:
And I shall include where I thought the body was... ONLY because what I call 'LOCATION' gives suspicion to there being 'THINGS' buried in the disued scrapyard before it was sold on and became University Accomodation. NOTE: the area could be checked by radar as the building was not put upon the area that seems to be suspicious.

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes thats how I understand it.

What Im not sure of is how incoming calls and messages to the sim that is not in use at the time are handled ie what message if any the incoming caller gets.

And it would have been frustrating if your mum or friend wanted to contact you !

 

[keep-it-real]

And it would have been frustrating if your mum or friend wanted to contact you !

Or child or family member had an emergency

 

[Popejohn3]

I think this is a good point @MEKON I wondered wether Claudia was a jealous person, not outwardly but emotionally jealous, and has her disappearance something to do with her trying to double cross someone.

‘Double cross someone’ and die for it ?

 

[keep-it-real]

‘Double cross someone’ and die for it ?

That depends if you think she is dead.

One thing for sure there I think there was a lot more to Claudia and they way she led her life
IMO

 

[Yozzer]

No.13
I also introduced a SUSPECT that was connected to the HORWELL BROS (affair)... their scrapyard deal... and the VUDU LOUNGE (club) owners... as I thought I had seen a red football hanger in the rear window of the enhanced footage of the car speeding up Heworth Rd.

LOCATION:
And I shall include where I thought the body was... ONLY because what I call 'LOCATION' gives suspicion to there being 'THINGS' buried in the disued scrapyard before it was sold on and became University Accomodation. NOTE: the area could be checked by radar as the building was not put upon the area that seems to be suspicious.

The vehicle outside the VL displayed in your montage is from Googlemaps Oct 09 and is a Rover, not a Ford Focus.

 

[Yozzer]

I think this is a good point @MEKON I wondered wether Claudia was a jealous person, not outwardly but emotionally jealous, and has her disappearance something to do with her trying to double cross someone.

Possibly jealous or maybe she was the opposite and lacked empathy with the feelings of wives and partners. She seemed to lack sensitivity in this area of her life. She was known to turn up at the homes of her male chef friends, something which didn't always sit well with their wives. Her favourite programme was 'Mistresses' (according to her friend SC).

 

[Blonderabbit]

Taken from Wiki
The first phone to include dual SIM functionality was the Benefon Twin, released by Benefon in 2000.[7] It wasn't until the late 2000s, however, when more dual SIM phones entered the marketplace and started to attract mainstream attention, most of them coming from small Chinese firms producing phones using Mediatek systems-on-a-chip.[8][9]

Such phones were initially eschewed by major manufacturers due to potential pressure from telecommunications companies,[10] but in the early 2010s Nokia, Samsung, Sony and several others followed suit, with the Nokia C2-00, Nokia C1-00 and Nokia C2-03 and most notably the Nokia X,[11][12][13] phones from Samsung's Duos series,[14] and the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual, Sony Xperia C[15] and tipo dual.[16][17] Apple added dual SIM support in its 2018 iPhone XS models, with models sold in China containing two physical SIM slots, and models sold elsewhere supporting dual SIM by means of Embedded-SIM alongside a single physical SIM.[18][19]

Dual SIM - Wikipedia

Good research! Well done @Keep it real. I studied the behaviour of a person between 2007 - 2012 - he used a dual sim phone to access third party liaisons, whilst appearing to be only using 1 device.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I dont think CL's phone was dual sim .. Going by Wikipedia Samsung produced them in the early 2010's
For me personally having to interchange sims would be inconvenient and fiddly allowing me to be only avail to answer calls when the relevant sim was in the phone
which is why a lot of people had 2 phones ie one for business one for personal use, before dual phones became available.
Im not sure what message the phone would give out to incoming callers or texters when the number they are ringing relates to the sim not in use either, so that might cause suspicion.
So for me 2 phones live at all the times perhaps one on vibrate/silent for discretion depending where/who the user was with would be the solution..
even more so if it costing me anything

I suppose the option depends on the person and the situation they might be in 2 sims would suit some people better.
But I think some personal details have to be given when purchasing a sim so that would be on record.

Just thinking through the possibilities thats all

You are misunderstanding

Claudia is a single girl and does not need 2 phones.
She does not need a dual sim phone. She is not deceiving anyone

The man having an affair needs two phones although - imagine your wife finding out you have two phones!
so what you do is have a single device which houses 2 sims. you do not swap sims - the phone has two sims slots installed, but you switch between sims using a pin, this can be done in less than a second