UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[Blonderabbit]

I wonder, what would have happened, if DO had thought to pick CL up in the morning (which he successfully avoided)? Probably he would have had met someone at Claudia's door .... Did he know and didn't he want to meet someone there? Why and since when did he know? Did they (DO and CL) arrange, that he wouldn't have to come, if she didn't send him an SMS in time? Something like a code between them?

Did oxo know the ruanes from growing up in the gilberdyke howdenshire area? Did they get on? Did Oxo steer clear of the ruanes or could there have been communication between them on the Eve of the 18th? Seems a big coincidence the very day he decides to take a different route - poof.. disappeared . AND then a year later .... o officer I forgot to mention.....

 

[Madpaul71]

I don't know if anyone on here as looked up back alley of C.L house where police are searching I tried uploading pics but could not do it There's a police dog leaning up against the wall telling police too search. The police then are seen looking on ground then picking up a slab. Could this be a clue that CL was taken through back alley into NH pub is this why some suspicion lays on there door step?

 

[Madpaul71]

I don't know if anyone on here as looked up back alley of C.L house where police are searching I tried uploading pics but could not do it There's a police dog leaning up against the wall telling police too search. The police then are seen looking on ground then picking up a slab. Could this be a clue that CL was taken through back alley into NH pub is this why some suspicion lays on there door step?

Haven't posted much recently but just noticed I signed up to post on this forum a year ago yesterday! (had taken nearly a week to read the various CL threads aswell).

The numerous theories have really opened my mind to some aspects surrounding the disappearence I'd never considered from my casual viewing of it.

Been a bit fatigued from reading this thread purely due to nothing much happening in the actual inquiry but credit to everyone who's still plugging away with little nuggets here and there, not sure NYP are though!

I keep going back too the very start of these posts some good theries

 

[Madpaul71]

Not struggling at all. I simply asked how many sets she probably had and the location of her spare sets eg in a locker or at her home !

I worked in a pub for awhile we used too have a washer and dryer and did the laundry at work. I've worked in other food places where we had a contract where laundry was collected as it's food they don't seem to like people taking washing home with them cross contamination people putting work clothes in with say there dogs bedding etc.

 

[Vixey]

Careful with screenshots @Vixey, or you’ll be timed out before you can say Suzy

Oops Grasser x

 

[Madpaul71]

Do you think it will turn up some day?
Or do you think it’s with Claudia?

Could be with her could of set fire too bag or might of kept the bag. Might of even weighed it down and chucked it in the river.

 

[curiosity2]

Did oxo know the ruanes from growing up in the gilberdyke howdenshire area? Did they get on? Did Oxo steer clear of the ruanes or could there have been communication between them on the Eve of the 18th? Seems a big coincidence the very day he decides to take a different route - poof.. disappeared . AND then a year later .... o officer I forgot to mention.....

Think but not 100% sure that.DO was born and bred in South Yorkshire

 

[Madpaul71]

@Popejohn3 Would they come forward if they were doing a drug deal?

When your talking about drugs deals are you talking about the raid on a cannabis farm near York on 27th Feb 2009 where they found £500,000 of cannabis plants and one of the men Chen Cai Guan was beaten and murdered and frown in a canal?

 

[Inspector Evans]

Just to note all pictures police put out,Suzy said came from herself and friends x

Fair enough but IIRC her Mum criticised the police for putting out that photo in one of the documentaries about the case.

 

[Inspector Evans]

I’m not so sure of your last sentence ?
Claudia was probably fighting for her life bless her.Work not important.
She could have been ‘walked ‘or carried unconscious to the car .
She could have run off without her bag and he reminded her that her bag was still in the car .

Of course that's a possibility but what was the witness doing? If they'd seen any sort of struggle and car then roar off quickly then even if you don't ring straight away you might mention it to others at the uni and then if they hear from another department someone hasn't turned up for their shift then you take steps to contact. Instead nothing for over 24 hours.

I agree if things looked calm-ish no reason to suspect foul play was about to occur as inevitably happened.

I'd be interested to know how far from the conversation witness was. 100 + yards and you can just about make outline for the two individuals. Anything closer and I guess the police have a bit more concrete information they're keeping quiet. Of course it will be fairly dark still at this time of the morning aswell.

 

[Vixey]

Fair enough but IIRC her Mum criticised the police for putting out that photo in one of the documentaries about the case.

Yes was clearly not the right colour at the time, wonder if it would have impacted on sightings reported x

 

[keep-it-real]

When your talking about drugs deals are you talking about the raid on a cannabis farm near York on 27th Feb 2009 where they found £500,000 of cannabis plants and one of the men Chen Cai Guan was beaten and murdered and frown in a canal?

I posted these links previously but in my opinion they are important.
The gang operated a major operation growing and supplying cannabis out of the Elvington Farm warehouse
In The York Press article
Detective Superintendent Karnail Dulku said: that organised criminal gangs were undoubtedly involved in the Elvington operation.

He said that the cannabis grown there was destined for a Chinese gang based in Aberdeen, but he did not know whether it would have been sold in Scotland or even exported abroad.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

Det Con Paul Johnson....1.18 The investigation will continue and we will see where that takes us.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

 

[Popejohn3]

Of course that's a possibility but what was the witness doing? If they'd seen any sort of struggle and car then roar off quickly then even if you don't ring straight away you might mention it to others at the uni and then if they hear from another department someone hasn't turned up for their shift then you take steps to contact. Instead nothing for over 24 hours.

I agree if things looked calm-ish no reason to suspect foul play was about to occur as inevitably happened.

I'd be interested to know how far from the conversation witness was. 100 + yards and you can just about make outline for the two individuals. Anything closer and I guess the police have a bit more concrete information they're keeping quiet. Of course it will be fairly dark still at this time of the morning aswell.

The witness was driving along with the car on his left and the couple on his right he she also looked in the rear view mirror because he probably sensed it was a bit unusual but never in a million years thought he was witnessing a fatal altercation .
She was not reported missing till Friday and not all people are interested in the news .

 

[Inspector Evans]

The witness was driving along with the car on his left and the couple on his right he she also looked in the rear view mirror because he probably sensed it was a bit unusual but never in a million years thought he was witnessing a fatal altercation .
She was not reported missing till Friday and not all people are interested in the news .

Ah right didn't know the witness was driving a car so can understand it being a minimal glimpse, that explains things.

Always thought there was a carpark nearby for one of the campus's and someone parked up seen them. Cheers PJ for the correction.

 

[Popejohn3]

Ah right didn't know the witness was driving a car so can understand it being a minimal glimpse, that explains things.

Always thought there was a carpark nearby for one of the campus's and someone parked up seen them. Cheers PJ for the correction.

It was parked on the grass verge and I believe it to be all true. It was at the right time and the right place .I’m guessing he harmed her and that is why no one came forward.

 

[Andyboy]

It’s possible but can you give us a reason as to why would anyone come up with such a lie ?

Maybe to get the police running off in the wrong direction to help firm up their alibi or to buy time to dispose of a body without any undue attention on them

 

[Andyboy]

Or just a fantasist, all sorts of weirdos out there, you only have to look when a serial killer is on the loose, not uncommon for people to tell the police they are responsible, the world is not short of nutters unfortunately

 

[Madpaul71]

I posted these links previously but in my opinion they are important.
The gang operated a major operation growing and supplying cannabis out of the Elvington Farm warehouse
In The York Press article
Detective Superintendent Karnail Dulku said: that organised criminal gangs were undoubtedly involved in the Elvington operation.

He said that the cannabis grown there was destined for a Chinese gang based in Aberdeen, but he did not know whether it would have been sold in Scotland or even exported abroad.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

Det Con Paul Johnson....1.18 The investigation will continue and we will see where that takes us.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

I posted these links previously but in my opinion they are important.
The gang operated a major operation growing and supplying cannabis out of the Elvington Farm warehouse
In The York Press article
Detective Superintendent Karnail Dulku said: that organised criminal gangs were undoubtedly involved in the Elvington operation.

He said that the cannabis grown there was destined for a Chinese gang based in Aberdeen, but he did not know whether it would have been sold in Scotland or even exported abroad.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

Det Con Paul Johnson....1.18 The investigation will continue and we will see where that takes us.
Triad and Snakehead references throughout the case

I was just looking at other crimes that were happening around that time around the york area some dodgy folk about.

 

[Madpaul71]

The witness was driving along with the car on his left and the couple on his right he she also looked in the rear view mirror because he probably sensed it was a bit unusual but never in a million years thought he was witnessing a fatal altercation .
She was not reported missing till Friday and not all people are interested in the news .

It was parked on the grass verge and I believe it to be all true. It was at the right time and the right place .I’m guessing he harmed her and that is why no one came forward.

I don't think there's any truth in this as only 2 witnesses came forward probily perps putting police off there scent. Also this could easily be ruled out simply by using police dogs there would have a scent of CL if she was there or not. As in other posts CL was texting all the time not used her phone since the previous day.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I wonder, what would have happened, if DO had thought to pick CL up in the morning (which he successfully avoided)? Probably he would have had met someone at Claudia's door .... Did he know and didn't he want to meet someone there? Why and since when did he know? Did they (DO and CL) arrange, that he wouldn't have to come, if she didn't send him an SMS in time? Something like a code between them?

Did oxo know the ruanes from growing up in the gilberdyke howdenshire area? Did they get on? Did Oxo steer clear of the ruanes or could there have been communication between them on the Eve of the 18th? Seems a big coincidence the very day he decides to take a different route - poof.. disappeared . AND then a year later .... o officer I forgot to mention.....

I don't know if anyone on here as looked up back alley of C.L house where police are searching I tried uploading pics but could not do it There's a police dog leaning up against the wall telling police too search. The police then are seen looking on ground then picking up a slab. Could this be a clue that CL was taken through back alley into NH pub is this why some suspicion lays on there door step?

to picture this scenario there’s evidence that doesn’t fit to a happening in her home. There’s no signs of a struggle inside, her bed is made, her slippers are by the front door, her toothbrush is on the sink drainer, her rucksack, chef whites and straighteners are missing. There’s too much evidence to suggest something happened away from the property. I think the perp/s may of needed access to the property to retrieve incriminating evidence - but not her body because I think that was elsewhere. I also think whilst they had her keys they didn’t have the alarm code - so perhaps had to break in at the back. There is suggestion Jen had her alarm code having been living there - though of course then she would of been involved and there’s no suggestion of that