UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[Popejohn3]

Did oxo know the ruanes from growing up in the gilberdyke howdenshire area? Did they get on? Did Oxo steer clear of the ruanes or could there have been communication between them on the Eve of the 18th? Seems a big coincidence the very day he decides to take a different route - poof.. disappeared . AND then a year later .... o officer I forgot to mention.....

to picture this scenario there’s evidence that doesn’t fit to a happening in her home. There’s no signs of a struggle inside, her bed is made, her slippers are by the front door, her toothbrush is on the sink drainer, her rucksack, chef whites and straighteners are missing. There’s too much evidence to suggest something happened away from the property. I think the perp/s may of needed access to the property to retrieve incriminating evidence - but not her body because I think that was elsewhere. I also think whilst they had her keys they didn’t have the alarm code - so perhaps had to break in at the back. There is suggestion Jen had her alarm code having been living there - though of course then she would of been involved and there’s no suggestion of that

Won’t the alarm go off if the back door is used ?

 

[curiosity2]

Won’t the alarm go off if the back door is used ?

Dont think she was in the habit of setting her alarm

 

[MEKON]

Hi all; I hope the points I mention have not been discussed before in a manner that means these points are a waste of time

• The issue of Claudia using her mobile phone to speak to someone before Claudia posts something in the letterbox. Could Claudia possibly be warning someone that she had posted something to them as part of a bribe? Furthermore; could it have been a DVD that was posted?
• If we take into consideration the statistic that a lot of victims know the perpetrator or perpetrators. Then could a toxic mix of bribery over multiple issues with several individuals, be the reason for Claudia's fate. That being: various activities which could have been used as a way of leverage to extract cash from people, the added dimension of relationships, all the reactions from people who can see their lifestyles being taken from them due to exposure and prosecution. A dangerous climate of multiple events could have led to an organised 'removal of the problem'.
• Were the authorities 'hoodwinked' for approx 1 year about Claudia's movements on the morning that she was believed to set off to work?; when perhaps she did not. I am sure there was a video posted on this site that showed a lady that looked very much like Claudia walking past the parade of shops towards the C0-op? early in the morning where the chap of Afro-Caribbean? ethnicity was seen. I'm sure this chap walked past her from the opposite direction at approx the time Claudia would be normally walking to work. Other people on this forum looked at the video and said it was definitely not her. Was this lady on the video someone by sheer chance that looked like Claudia or was it a partially successful 'Red Herring'

However; people on this forum have also discussed the issue of the hair dye found in the house. I am sure Claudia dyed her hair a week previously. So; has someone entered the house and used the dye. Have they dyed a wig and dressed up in Claudias clothes with 'A RUCKSACK' and received a lift at the appropriate time in the morning. Has an extra dimension to confuse matters been implemented. Has someone used Claudias phone to contact other people to turn up in order to give Claudia a lift to work? (I think MajorLang touched on this type of thing happening the previous night) . Had a Taxi been called to pick up 'a Claudia Lawrence' from outside her home in order to take her to work. And the perpetrators have been that crafty that they have told the Taxi driver when they have turned up; that 'I'm sorry but my planned lifts turned up over there at last, here's 5 quid for your wasted time'. Is that why the authorities were asking about Taxi drivers?

Have the 2 events above wasted The Police's time until they have lent on someone or persons; and been informed that Claudia left the property using the back door for whatever reason. Is that why the authorities started to vigorously search the back alley about 1 year later etc?


I'm sure The Police stated early in the case....'' they believed Claudia set off for work''. But did the authorities then realise Claudia had not set off to work; due to the ''Red Herrings'' conducted by people I'm sure knew Claudia well. I can not see strangers using the type of ''Red Herrings'' that may have been constructed

• With reference to a text that was supposed to of been sent from Claudia's phone to Jen King, after Claudia had finished talking to her Mum. (I'll credit the gallant work and ideas of MajorLang for that). Apparently, it stated something in the manner of: ....' No fun for me because I am having to work 12 days in a row'

Thus a few points about that:

A) It was thought that Claudia normally ended her texts with a kiss (X). The text apparently did not. Thus; did someone have her phone and was texting certain people tactically. Put simply; people that would notice her missing first. This demonstrates that the perpetrator was someone who knew Claudia and had the knowledge to know 'who was who' in Claudias mobile contact list
B) Why did the perpetrator not contact other people in her contact list to say she was working so many shifts in a row; meaning that if Claudia did not make planned appointments, then she would not be missed. Perhaps a perpetrator did not know Claudia was meant to meet someone the night after
C) Was it Claudia that actually sent the text; but by coincidence, sent the text in an unfamiliar manner. Did Claudia have a visitor that evening who went around on the premise to ask Claudia if she could work a lot of extra shifts due to staff absence?. If Claudia did indeed send the text to Jen King; perhaps something happened to Claudia before she could send a similar text to Suzy Cooper in order to cancel the meet up in the Nags Head
D) It would seem strange that Claudia had sent that particular content in a text to Jen King If Claudia thought the content was not true in Claudia's mind. Unless (as I am sure MajorLang suggested?) Claudia said that to Jen King in order to keep a distance during a fallout

• I think Blonderabbit? and others may have a point when they suggest that something happened just after 8:30-ish . The period after the phone call with Claudia's Mum; and between the text Claudia never replied to at 9pm-ish(from the chap in Cyprus?). Or possibly between 8:30-ish and the time that the text was sent from Claudia's phone to Jen Kings phone

• If the sad event occurred within Claudia's home; then how did the perpetrators (I think there must have been more than 1 person involved) do the act and get away with it. I'd of thought next door would have heard something If a verbal row or physical event occurred. Perhaps the sad event happened very quickly and cleanly. Or; has Claudia been drugged and 'walked' through the back alley and Into a Car Park or elsewhere where there is no CCTV coverage. There may have been a need to remove Claudia from her house alive in order to extract Information from Claudia
• If this occurred; then how did people manage to take Claudia out of the area without being spotted on a CCTV camera via X mark's the criminal label all over it?. Have they just been lucky or has it been a very clever and devious plan? Has Claudia been put into a vehicle and the vehicle has managed to 'blend in' with other vehicles travelling about in the area? Put simply; has Claudia been put in a vehicle where there is no CCTV coverage. And the vehicle has had a legitimate excuse for travelling in the area; when the authorities have identified it alongside Hundreds of others, travelling in areas of interest. For example: has a body been taken out the area in a vehicle that's on a test run after a service or M.O.T . Or has there been a contractor or tradesperson that has removed a body out of the area? The Police have most likely trawled through Hours of CCTV footage and identified dozens of vehicles that could be of interest. But, If people answer their reason for being spotted in an area covered by CCTV by saying.....'' I got up and travelled to work to fix a drainpipe at No 56 High Street ''. Then all the Police can do is check for DNA in the vehicle. However; can the Police trace all the vehicles that may have been of interest. Some vehicles may have been scrapped or had false plates on. Perhaps a car was checked and contained Claudias DNA within it; but maybe that could be explained because Claudia knew that person and had travelled in the car. The guilty may have even had their vehicles checked and no DNA was found

 

[Popejohn3]

Did oxo know the ruanes from growing up in the gilberdyke howdenshire area? Did they get on? Did Oxo steer clear of the ruanes or could there have been communication between them on the Eve of the 18th? Seems a big coincidence the very day he decides to take a different route - poof.. disappeared . AND then a year later .... o officer I forgot to mention.....

to picture this scenario there’s evidence that doesn’t fit to a happening in her home. There’s no signs of a struggle inside, her bed is made, her slippers are by the front door, her toothbrush is on the sink drainer, her rucksack, chef whites and straighteners are missing. There’s too much evidence to suggest something happened away from the property. I think the perp/s may of needed access to the property to retrieve incriminating evidence - but not her body because I think that was elsewhere. I also think whilst they had her keys they didn’t have the alarm code - so perhaps had to break in at the back. There is suggestion Jen had her alarm code having been living there - though of course then she would of been involved and there’s no suggestion of that

Won’t the alarm go off if the back door is used ?

Hi all; I hope the points I mention have not been discussed before in a manner that means these points are a waste of time

• The issue of Claudia using her mobile phone to speak to someone before Claudia posts something in the letterbox. Could Claudia possibly be warning someone that she had posted something to them as part of a bribe? Furthermore; could it have been a DVD that was posted?
• If we take into consideration the statistic that a lot of victims know the perpetrator or perpetrators. Then could a toxic mix of bribery over multiple issues with several individuals, be the reason for Claudia's fate. That being: various activities which could have been used as a way of leverage to extract cash from people, the added dimension of relationships, all the reactions from people who can see their lifestyles being taken from them due to exposure and prosecution. A dangerous climate of multiple events could have led to an organised 'removal of the problem'.
• Were the authorities 'hoodwinked' for approx 1 year about Claudia's movements on the morning that she was believed to set off to work?; when perhaps she did not. I am sure there was a video posted on this site that showed a lady that looked very much like Claudia walking past the parade of shops towards the C0-op? early in the morning where the chap of Afro-Caribbean? ethnicity was seen. I'm sure this chap walked past her from the opposite direction at approx the time Claudia would be normally walking to work. Other people on this forum looked at the video and said it was definitely not her. Was this lady on the video someone by sheer chance that looked like Claudia or was it a partially successful 'Red Herring'

However; people on this forum have also discussed the issue of the hair dye found in the house. I am sure Claudia dyed her hair a week previously. So; has someone entered the house and used the dye. Have they dyed a wig and dressed up in Claudias clothes with 'A RUCKSACK' and received a lift at the appropriate time in the morning. Has an extra dimension to confuse matters been implemented. Has someone used Claudias phone to contact other people to turn up in order to give Claudia a lift to work? (I think MajorLang touched on this type of thing happening the previous night) . Had a Taxi been called to pick up 'a Claudia Lawrence' from outside her home in order to take her to work. And the perpetrators have been that crafty that they have told the Taxi driver when they have turned up; that 'I'm sorry but my planned lifts turned up over there at last, here's 5 quid for your wasted time'. Is that why the authorities were asking about Taxi drivers?

Have the 2 events above wasted The Police's time until they have lent on someone or persons; and been informed that Claudia left the property using the back door for whatever reason. Is that why the authorities started to vigorously search the back alley about 1 year later etc?


I'm sure The Police stated early in the case....'' they believed Claudia set off for work''. But did the authorities then realise Claudia had not set off to work; due to the ''Red Herrings'' conducted by people I'm sure knew Claudia well. I can not see strangers using the type of ''Red Herrings'' that may have been constructed

• With reference to a text that was supposed to of been sent from Claudia's phone to Jen King, after Claudia had finished talking to her Mum. (I'll credit the gallant work and ideas of MajorLang for that). Apparently, it stated something in the manner of: ....' No fun for me because I am having to work 12 days in a row'

Thus a few points about that:

A) It was thought that Claudia normally ended her texts with a kiss (X). The text apparently did not. Thus; did someone have her phone and was texting certain people tactically. Put simply; people that would notice her missing first. This demonstrates that the perpetrator was someone who knew Claudia and had the knowledge to know 'who was who' in Claudias mobile contact list
B) Why did the perpetrator not contact other people in her contact list to say she was working so many shifts in a row; meaning that if Claudia did not make planned appointments, then she would not be missed. Perhaps a perpetrator did not know Claudia was meant to meet someone the night after
C) Was it Claudia that actually sent the text; but by coincidence, sent the text in an unfamiliar manner. Did Claudia have a visitor that evening who went around on the premise to ask Claudia if she could work a lot of extra shifts due to staff absence?. If Claudia did indeed send the text to Jen King; perhaps something happened to Claudia before she could send a similar text to Suzy Cooper in order to cancel the meet up in the Nags Head
D) It would seem strange that Claudia had sent that particular content in a text to Jen King If Claudia thought the content was not true in Claudia's mind. Unless (as I am sure MajorLang suggested?) Claudia said that to Jen King in order to keep a distance during a fallout

• I think Blonderabbit? and others may have a point when they suggest that something happened just after 8:30-ish . The period after the phone call with Claudia's Mum; and between the text Claudia never replied to at 9pm-ish(from the chap in Cyprus?). Or possibly between 8:30-ish and the time that the text was sent from Claudia's phone to Jen Kings phone

• If the sad event occurred within Claudia's home; then how did the perpetrators (I think there must have been more than 1 person involved) do the act and get away with it. I'd of thought next door would have heard something If a verbal row or physical event occurred. Perhaps the sad event happened very quickly and cleanly. Or; has Claudia been drugged and 'walked' through the back alley and Into a Car Park or elsewhere where there is no CCTV coverage. There may have been a need to remove Claudia from her house alive in order to extract Information from Claudia
• If this occurred; then how did people manage to take Claudia out of the area without being spotted on a CCTV camera via X mark's the criminal label all over it?. Have they just been lucky or has it been a very clever and devious plan? Has Claudia been put into a vehicle and the vehicle has managed to 'blend in' with other vehicles travelling about in the area? Put simply; has Claudia been put in a vehicle where there is no CCTV coverage. And the vehicle has had a legitimate excuse for travelling in the area; when the authorities have identified it alongside Hundreds of others, travelling in areas of interest. For example: has a body been taken out the area in a vehicle that's on a test run after a service or M.O.T . Or has there been a contractor or tradesperson that has removed a body out of the area? The Police have most likely trawled through Hours of CCTV footage and identified dozens of vehicles that could be of interest. But, If people answer their reason for being spotted in an area covered by CCTV by saying.....'' I got up and travelled to work to fix a drainpipe at No 56 High Street ''. Then all the Police can do is check for DNA in the vehicle. However; can the Police trace all the vehicles that may have been of interest. Some vehicles may have been scrapped or had false plates on. Perhaps a car was checked and contained Claudias DNA within it; but maybe that could be explained because Claudia knew that person and had travelled in the car. The guilty may have even had their vehicles checked and no DNA was found

overthinking is going on here IMO
On the very first point : her mother said they were talking on the phone while she was walking home and I would take it they stopped talking before jo gave her a lift

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Hi all; I hope the points I mention have not been discussed before in a manner that means these points are a waste of time

• The issue of Claudia using her mobile phone to speak to someone before Claudia posts something in the letterbox. Could Claudia possibly be warning someone that she had posted something to them as part of a bribe? Furthermore; could it have been a DVD that was posted?
• If we take into consideration the statistic that a lot of victims know the perpetrator or perpetrators. Then could a toxic mix of bribery over multiple issues with several individuals, be the reason for Claudia's fate. That being: various activities which could have been used as a way of leverage to extract cash from people, the added dimension of relationships, all the reactions from people who can see their lifestyles being taken from them due to exposure and prosecution. A dangerous climate of multiple events could have led to an organised 'removal of the problem'.
• Were the authorities 'hoodwinked' for approx 1 year about Claudia's movements on the morning that she was believed to set off to work?; when perhaps she did not. I am sure there was a video posted on this site that showed a lady that looked very much like Claudia walking past the parade of shops towards the C0-op? early in the morning where the chap of Afro-Caribbean? ethnicity was seen. I'm sure this chap walked past her from the opposite direction at approx the time Claudia would be normally walking to work. Other people on this forum looked at the video and said it was definitely not her. Was this lady on the video someone by sheer chance that looked like Claudia or was it a partially successful 'Red Herring'

However; people on this forum have also discussed the issue of the hair dye found in the house. I am sure Claudia dyed her hair a week previously. So; has someone entered the house and used the dye. Have they dyed a wig and dressed up in Claudias clothes with 'A RUCKSACK' and received a lift at the appropriate time in the morning. Has an extra dimension to confuse matters been implemented. Has someone used Claudias phone to contact other people to turn up in order to give Claudia a lift to work? (I think MajorLang touched on this type of thing happening the previous night) . Had a Taxi been called to pick up 'a Claudia Lawrence' from outside her home in order to take her to work. And the perpetrators have been that crafty that they have told the Taxi driver when they have turned up; that 'I'm sorry but my planned lifts turned up over there at last, here's 5 quid for your wasted time'. Is that why the authorities were asking about Taxi drivers?

Have the 2 events above wasted The Police's time until they have lent on someone or persons; and been informed that Claudia left the property using the back door for whatever reason. Is that why the authorities started to vigorously search the back alley about 1 year later etc?


I'm sure The Police stated early in the case....'' they believed Claudia set off for work''. But did the authorities then realise Claudia had not set off to work; due to the ''Red Herrings'' conducted by people I'm sure knew Claudia well. I can not see strangers using the type of ''Red Herrings'' that may have been constructed

• With reference to a text that was supposed to of been sent from Claudia's phone to Jen King, after Claudia had finished talking to her Mum. (I'll credit the gallant work and ideas of MajorLang for that). Apparently, it stated something in the manner of: ....' No fun for me because I am having to work 12 days in a row'

Thus a few points about that:

A) It was thought that Claudia normally ended her texts with a kiss (X). The text apparently did not. Thus; did someone have her phone and was texting certain people tactically. Put simply; people that would notice her missing first. This demonstrates that the perpetrator was someone who knew Claudia and had the knowledge to know 'who was who' in Claudias mobile contact list
B) Why did the perpetrator not contact other people in her contact list to say she was working so many shifts in a row; meaning that if Claudia did not make planned appointments, then she would not be missed. Perhaps a perpetrator did not know Claudia was meant to meet someone the night after
C) Was it Claudia that actually sent the text; but by coincidence, sent the text in an unfamiliar manner. Did Claudia have a visitor that evening who went around on the premise to ask Claudia if she could work a lot of extra shifts due to staff absence?. If Claudia did indeed send the text to Jen King; perhaps something happened to Claudia before she could send a similar text to Suzy Cooper in order to cancel the meet up in the Nags Head
D) It would seem strange that Claudia had sent that particular content in a text to Jen King If Claudia thought the content was not true in Claudia's mind. Unless (as I am sure MajorLang suggested?) Claudia said that to Jen King in order to keep a distance during a fallout

• I think Blonderabbit? and others may have a point when they suggest that something happened just after 8:30-ish . The period after the phone call with Claudia's Mum; and between the text Claudia never replied to at 9pm-ish(from the chap in Cyprus?). Or possibly between 8:30-ish and the time that the text was sent from Claudia's phone to Jen Kings phone

• If the sad event occurred within Claudia's home; then how did the perpetrators (I think there must have been more than 1 person involved) do the act and get away with it. I'd of thought next door would have heard something If a verbal row or physical event occurred. Perhaps the sad event happened very quickly and cleanly. Or; has Claudia been drugged and 'walked' through the back alley and Into a Car Park or elsewhere where there is no CCTV coverage. There may have been a need to remove Claudia from her house alive in order to extract Information from Claudia
• If this occurred; then how did people manage to take Claudia out of the area without being spotted on a CCTV camera via X mark's the criminal label all over it?. Have they just been lucky or has it been a very clever and devious plan? Has Claudia been put into a vehicle and the vehicle has managed to 'blend in' with other vehicles travelling about in the area? Put simply; has Claudia been put in a vehicle where there is no CCTV coverage. And the vehicle has had a legitimate excuse for travelling in the area; when the authorities have identified it alongside Hundreds of others, travelling in areas of interest. For example: has a body been taken out the area in a vehicle that's on a test run after a service or M.O.T . Or has there been a contractor or tradesperson that has removed a body out of the area? The Police have most likely trawled through Hours of CCTV footage and identified dozens of vehicles that could be of interest. But, If people answer their reason for being spotted in an area covered by CCTV by saying.....'' I got up and travelled to work to fix a drainpipe at No 56 High Street ''. Then all the Police can do is check for DNA in the vehicle. However; can the Police trace all the vehicles that may have been of interest. Some vehicles may have been scrapped or had false plates on. Perhaps a car was checked and contained Claudias DNA within it; but maybe that could be explained because Claudia knew that person and had travelled in the car. The guilty may have even had their vehicles checked and no DNA was found

One of your points: CL called JK to tell/write her, she would work 12 early morning shifts. Claudia then had to avoid the NG for nearly 2 weeks, otherwise this mention would have been for nothing and only whining about her stressful work. I wonder, if the Uni kitchen ever confirmed that planned schedule.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Won’t the alarm go off if the back door is used ?

Who said they used the back door ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

One of your points: CL called JK to tell/write her, she would work 12 early morning shifts. Claudia then had to avoid the NG for nearly 2 weeks, otherwise this mention would have been for nothing and only whining about her stressful work. I wonder, if the Uni kitchen ever confirmed that planned schedule.

There’s another way of looking at the 12 planned early mornings and that is she and Jen were due to go on holiday at the end of those earlys

 

[Popejohn3]

Who said they used the back door ?

Fair enough you said ‘break in at the back ‘ the alarm would still go off ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Re MEKON ‘s post : it is obvious to me the Allyman was trying to make some contact with her .And it looks to me she did not want to make contact but he was not going to take no for an answer. So he met her on the way to work...

 

[MEKON]

Re MEKON ‘s post : it is obvious to me the Allyman was trying to make some contact with her .And it looks to me she did not want to make contact but he was not going to take no for an answer. So he met her on the way to work...

'' Allyperson''; whether during the evening or morning appearance, could surely have succeeded or pretended to of not succeeded for whatever reason to make contact. For example: did the evening appearance succeed in making contact, but the morning appearance was a staged event to make out they could not make contact

Additionally, it may be a possibility that these appearances are by 2 different people

If Claudia had walked to work; surely she would have been picked up on CCTV somewhere or other?

IMO I sadly think something has happened to her in the evening. I'm sure the lad from Cyprus was surprised Claudia did not even reply to his 9pm-ish text first thing the next morning

 

[Popejohn3]

'' Allyperson''; whether during the evening or morning appearance, could surely have succeeded or pretended to of not succeeded for whatever reason to make contact. For example: did the evening appearance succeed in making contact, but the morning appearance was a staged event to make out they could not make contact

Additionally, it may be a possibility that these appearances are by 2 different people

If Claudia had walked to work; surely she would have been picked up on CCTV somewhere or other?

IMO I sadly think something has happened to her in the evening. I'm sure the lad from Cyprus was surprised Claudia did not even reply to his 9pm-ish text first thing the next morning

You can knock as much as you like but if a young woman is home alone and does not want to see you she’ll pretend she is not at home or asleep and there is nothing you can do about it unless you’re willing to break down the door!
And then you have the sighting of ‘Claudia’ with the animated character near to uni .
There was no cctv from Claudia’s front door to the post office so she could have been picked up there .The PO cctv was not adequate to monitor all people and cars on the main road and probably why the police were stationed there and stopped cars and people going bye for a few days after the event !

 

[Vixey]

There’s another way of looking at the 12 planned early mornings and that is she and Jen were due to go on holiday at the end of those earlys

Perhaps a partner was not happy Jen and Claudia had just booked this holiday eg, Sammons and Campbell both out there! Or perhaps suzy was vexed she was not invited or possibly the fact Suzy was off work that week she could not get the time off. Was It Only just booked as her passport in her bag on bed IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Re MEKON ‘s post : it is obvious to me the Allyman was trying to make some contact with her .And it looks to me she did not want to make contact but he was not going to take no for an answer. So he met her on the way to work...

Does make the most sense and how "lovers" are behaving in certain circumstances.

 

[Vixey]

Perhaps a partner was not happy Jen and Claudia had just booked this holidayEg Sammons and Campbell both out there! Or perhaps suzy was vexed she was not invited or possibly as Suzy was off work that week she could not get the time off. was Only just booked as her passport in her bag on bed IMO

Perhaps Claudia Left her home to go to her college friends travel agents, to pay the rest of her holiday money off hence not seen on cctv as far down as the shop! or to even arrange a car (taxi) for that evening x

 

[Popejohn3]

Perhaps a partner was not happy Jen and Claudia had just booked this holiday eg, Sammons and Campbell both out there! Or perhaps suzy was vexed she was not invited or possibly the fact Suzy was off work that week she could not get the time off. Was It Only just booked as her passport in her bag on bed IMO

Yes I believe they’ve Just booked it

 

[Vixey]

Yes I believe they’ve Just booked it

Thank-you pj3 x

 

[Vixey]

Thank-you pj3 x

Do you know if it was at that travel agents? x

 

[Popejohn3]

Perhaps Claudia Left her home to go to her college friends travel agents, to pay the rest of her holiday money off hence not seen on cctv as far down as the shop! or to even arrange a car (taxi) for that evening x

Yes when was payday at the Uni

 

[Popejohn3]

Do you know if it was at that travel agents? x

I believe it was but not sure

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Perhaps a partner was not happy Jen and Claudia had just booked this holidayEg Sammons and Campbell both out there! Or perhaps suzy was vexed she was not invited or possibly as Suzy was off work that week she could not get the time off. was Only just booked as her passport in her bag on bed IMO

I wonder, how PR felt, if he was CL's Ex and the new lover of JK, when "his" girls went on holiday together .... He would have known well, in which way the girls' holidays would have been spent, I think. - Doesn't have to be a reason for murder of course. But usually men don't like it, when a girlfriend exerts negative influence on their partner (IF he had any concerns).