UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[Popejohn3]

Deffo CL won't of been no where near her phone. We don't know if the perp left CL phone on then walked cycled or drove around Acomb area just too put police of there trail.

Won't be long now till this case is cracked will be a nice long holiday for me after)

May I know why you say it won’t be long now before the case is cracked ?
And you get a nice long holiday ?

 

[MEKON]

Phone home.

The Acomb connection - in the early investigation it was asked if any taxi drivers picked up Claudia and dropped her anywhere in Acomb, it was suggested that "her phone" was active in the weeks leading up to her disappearance in the Acomb area.

Reading between the lines - this is not a 7 mile triangulation this is a specific area.

unidentified phones used in the Heworth area on the 18th/19th March 2009 may of been used in the Acomb area in the weeks leading up to Claudia's disappearance and I think this is what the team are suggesting (they are showing the perp they have this intelligence). I was also thinking someone using a dual sim phone may of hidden their location whilst on the move. When you consider Claudia's phone was switched off normally, perhaps the perp was using a dual sim (there is no evidence of this). There is no crime scene, no body, no known motive it leads you to believe the killer did not want to be traced and had thought it through long before any interaction.

There's a good percentage chance that a considerable amount of planning has gone into it because up to now the guilty have got away with it

Unless they have been lucky

You could suggest that if there has been planning. Then what ever climate triggered the guilty to act in such a way; had been occurring for some time

 

[MEKON]

Phone home.

The Acomb connection - in the early investigation it was asked if any taxi drivers picked up Claudia and dropped her anywhere in Acomb, it was suggested that "her phone" was active in the weeks leading up to her disappearance in the Acomb area.

Reading between the lines - this is not a 7 mile triangulation this is a specific area.

unidentified phones used in the Heworth area on the 18th/19th March 2009 may of been used in the Acomb area in the weeks leading up to Claudia's disappearance and I think this is what the team are suggesting (they are showing the perp they have this intelligence). I was also thinking someone using a dual sim phone may of hidden their location whilst on the move. When you consider Claudia's phone was switched off normally, perhaps the perp was using a dual sim (there is no evidence of this). There is no crime scene, no body, no known motive it leads you to believe the killer did not want to be traced and had thought it through long before any interaction.

There's a good percentage chance that a considerable amount of planning has gone into it because up to now the guilty have got away with it

Unless they have been lucky

You could suggest that if there has been planning. Then what ever climate triggered the guilty to act in such a way; had been occurring for some time

 

[MEKON]

My thoughts were she probably had a second device/phone given to her for use.
This phone would not be registered in her name or have her registered as the bill payer.
So the only record of the calls to that phone would be on a billing statement of the person who purchased the phone and was paying the bill.

Would it be possible,easier and more discreet to have 2 SIM cards rather than 2 phones?

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Blonderabbit Im not sure if I read this post clearly before replying.
Are you saying that you think the calls and texts she made on the weds evening were from a different phone rather than her own and that this is something the police have kept to themselves perferring to say they were made on her samsung?

Or was I correct in my reply and the part in your post that said looking at a phone of Claudia's should have read looking for a phone of Claudia's

Sorry I have a bit of a mind fog ..

The police used the bus footage trying to draw the publics attention to the white astra van, they allowed the footage to continue down heworth rd allowing the perps to see they had been seen. suv etc. the hair dye pic with the footprint on the scales, the cctv footage of the alleyway man conveniently displayed on a screen out side strategic targets. SIMILARLY I believe the perps phone is what the police are indicating has been used in Heworth 18/19th (unidentified number) and leading up to her disappearance its been used in Acomb - reading between the lines.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Would it be possible,easier and more discreet to have 2 SIM cards rather than 2 phones?

2 simcards one phone - some early hand sets could house dual simcards - so lets say you were having an affair you could use your home one at home - the phone looks honest, but the user can access the second sim with a pin and then talk to a third party by text or phone, there's no evidence of this. I was just thinking of a possible solution as to why the perps phone hasnt been identified/ or maybe it has

 

[Blonderabbit]

There's a good percentage chance that a considerable amount of planning has gone into it because up to now the guilty have got away with it

Unless they have been lucky

You could suggest that if there has been planning. Then what ever climate triggered the guilty to act in such a way; had been occurring for some time

planning to be able to have an affair without upsetting the applecart .unfortunately possibly what's happened is what always to often happens and feelings have taken over, control is lost, the tables are turned and so has the worm

 

[keep-it-real]

2 simcards one phone - some early hand sets could house dual simcards - so lets say you were having an affair you could use your home one at home - the phone looks honest, but the user can access the second sim with a pin and then talk to a third party by text or phone, there's no evidence of this. I was just thinking of a possible solution as to why the perps phone hasnt been identified/ or maybe it has

Taken from Wiki
The first phone to include dual SIM functionality was the Benefon Twin, released by Benefon in 2000.[7] It wasn't until the late 2000s, however, when more dual SIM phones entered the marketplace and started to attract mainstream attention, most of them coming from small Chinese firms producing phones using Mediatek systems-on-a-chip.[8][9]

Such phones were initially eschewed by major manufacturers due to potential pressure from telecommunications companies,[10] but in the early 2010s Nokia, Samsung, Sony and several others followed suit, with the Nokia C2-00, Nokia C1-00 and Nokia C2-03 and most notably the Nokia X,[11][12][13] phones from Samsung's Duos series,[14] and the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual, Sony Xperia C[15] and tipo dual.[16][17] Apple added dual SIM support in its 2018 iPhone XS models, with models sold in China containing two physical SIM slots, and models sold elsewhere supporting dual SIM by means of Embedded-SIM alongside a single physical SIM.[18][19]

Dual SIM - Wikipedia

 

[keep-it-real]

Would it be possible,easier and more discreet to have 2 SIM cards rather than 2 phones?

I dont think CL's phone was dual sim .. Going by Wikipedia Samsung produced them in the early 2010's
For me personally having to interchange sims would be inconvenient and fiddly allowing me to be only avail to answer calls when the relevant sim was in the phone
which is why a lot of people had 2 phones ie one for business one for personal use, before dual phones became available.
Im not sure what message the phone would give out to incoming callers or texters when the number they are ringing relates to the sim not in use either, so that might cause suspicion.
So for me 2 phones live at all the times perhaps one on vibrate/silent for discretion depending where/who the user was with would be the solution..
even more so if it costing me anything

I suppose the option depends on the person and the situation they might be in 2 sims would suit some people better.
But I think some personal details have to be given when purchasing a sim so that would be on record.

Just thinking through the possibilities thats all

 

[Popejohn3]

Deffo CL won't of been no where near her phone. We don't know if the perp left CL phone on then walked cycled or drove around Acomb area just too put police of there trail.

Won't be long now till this case is cracked will be a nice long holiday for me after)

May I know why you say it won’t be long now before the case is cracked ?
And you get a nice long holiday ?

planning to be able to have an affair without upsetting the applecart .unfortunately possibly what's happened is what always to often happens and feelings have taken over, control is lost, the tables are turned and so has the worm

is it possible to press ‘like’ twice ?

 

[Popejohn3]

planning to be able to have an affair without upsetting the applecart .unfortunately possibly what's happened is what always to often happens and feelings have taken over, control is lost, the tables are turned and so has the worm

So the police wanted names, the names would be matched with phone numbers including Claudia’s and people would have been called in for questioning but you cannot do that now far too much time has gone bye.
They need to grow a conscience ie the perpetrator and or his wife ! As PL has been suggesting for a long time!
Giving the body to the family for burial would show some remorse .
Strange how the ‘worm’ can turn so quickly doesn’t?
One minute you are ( probably) giving her tulips probably for her birthday too ! And the next minute you get so mad that you end up hurting not only her, but so many other people’s lives including your own innocent family.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

@FromGermany Was that the good NEW friends who seem to be stealing the limelight as it is rather bizzare that friends who knew Claudia and stayed in touch with her since her early career have not been interviewed in front of the camera.
There is a feel to this case of the Media manipulating this case in a very similar way to in the case of a much younger female IMO

JK and SC, these "good old" friends. But only these two would have known about CL's love life, I think.
I don't know, which case of a much younger female you think of?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

He could have had a longer journey to his own work place !?

THAT could have been, of course. Journey to his own workplace or journey to his own wife .....

 

[Popejohn3]

So the police wanted names, the names would be matched with phone numbers including Claudia’s and people would have been called in for questioning but you cannot do that now far too much time has gone bye.
They need to grow a conscience ie the perpetrator and or his wife ! As PL has been suggesting for a long time!
Giving the body to the family for burial would show some remorse .
Strange how the ‘worm’ can turn so quickly doesn’t?
One minute you are ( probably) giving her tulips probably for her birthday too ! And the next minute you get so mad that you end up hurting not only her, but so many other people’s lives including your own innocent family.

Was the same credit card ( perhaps )that purchased tulips from an unusual place also purchased garden equipment a few weeks later ?

 

[oudzuid]

I dont think CL's phone was dual sim .. Going by Wikipedia Samsung produced them in the early 2010's
For me personally having to interchange sims would be inconvenient and fiddly allowing me to be only avail to answer calls when the relevant sim was in the phone
which is why a lot of people had 2 phones ie one for business one for personal use, before dual phones became available.
Im not sure what message the phone would give out to incoming callers or texters when the number they are ringing relates to the sim not in use either, so that might cause suspicion.
So for me 2 phones live at all the times perhaps one on vibrate/silent for discretion depending where/who the user was with would be the solution..
even more so if it costing me anything

I suppose the option depends on the person and the situation they might be in 2 sims would suit some people better.
But I think some personal details have to be given when purchasing a sim so that would be on record.

Just thinking through the possibilities thats all

I agree with you @keep-it-real Claudia even if she was taught how to use the dual sim, that as you say were not in wider usage then (More for business purposes) would likely struggle and could make mistakes by calling on wrong SIM. It is more likely if there were 2 phones that she was given one to use for discretion and could even be a "Burner Phone".

On another subject it was said that CL didnt have a FB account. I believe that it was not only Suzy but also LE that qualified this.

I find this strange for a girl who liked to talk lots by SMS.
Police told Suzy that even she didn't know the complexity of what her friend CL was up to.

Perhaps CL had an FB account in the name of Cat or another Pseudonym?

Pre heavy use of Tinder she may have met some new friends this way?

 

[curiosity2]

Deffo CL won't of been no where near her phone. We don't know if the perp left CL phone on then walked cycled or drove around Acomb area just too put police of there trail.

Won't be long now till this case is cracked will be a nice long holiday for me after)

 

[curiosity2]

Madpaul, Can you please clarify as not sure I understood when you said "Won't be long now till this case is cracked will be a nice long holiday for me after"

 

[MEKON]

Taken from Wiki
The first phone to include dual SIM functionality was the Benefon Twin, released by Benefon in 2000.[7] It wasn't until the late 2000s, however, when more dual SIM phones entered the marketplace and started to attract mainstream attention, most of them coming from small Chinese firms producing phones using Mediatek systems-on-a-chip.[8][9]

Such phones were initially eschewed by major manufacturers due to potential pressure from telecommunications companies,[10] but in the early 2010s Nokia, Samsung, Sony and several others followed suit, with the Nokia C2-00, Nokia C1-00 and Nokia C2-03 and most notably the Nokia X,[11][12][13] phones from Samsung's Duos series,[14] and the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual, Sony Xperia C[15] and tipo dual.[16][17] Apple added dual SIM support in its 2018 iPhone XS models, with models sold in China containing two physical SIM slots, and models sold elsewhere supporting dual SIM by means of Embedded-SIM alongside a single physical SIM.[18][19]

Dual SIM - Wikipedia

Sorry if I'm being thick but was it possible in 2009 to have 1 phone with 1 SIM card operating in it under a X number. And a spare SIM card in your purse? under a Y number. So if you needed to speak to certain people you could have just SIM card X in your phone. However; if you wanted to talk to a different set of people,you could just have SIM card Y in the phone

 

[Vixey]

2 simcards one phone - some early hand sets could house dual simcards - so lets say you were having an affair you could use your home one at home - the phone looks honest, but the user can access the second sim with a pin and then talk to a third party by text or phone, there's no evidence of this. I was just thinking of a possible solution as to why the perps phone hasnt been identified/ or maybe it has

Perhaps the phone went in the postbox x

 

[keep-it-real]

Sorry if I'm being thick but was it possible in 2009 to have 1 phone with 1 SIM card operating in it under a X number. And a spare SIM card in your purse? under a Y number. So if you needed to speak to certain people you could have just SIM card X in your phone. However; if you wanted to talk to a different set of people,you could just have SIM card Y in the phone

Yes thats how I understand it.

What Im not sure of is how incoming calls and messages to the sim that is not in use at the time are handled ie what message if any the incoming caller gets.