UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[AcbMurders]

Think 3/4 times a week is a little intrusive, ok I also enjoy a night out with my father and very close but feel that was extreme imo. x

Where does it say ‘3-4 times a week’?

 

[Yozzer]

When frequently visiting a pub? Who goes there to have nothing to do with people of all shadings?

ETA: If the other pub goers found it odd, that CL's father was there at CL's favorite pub and watched her getting drunk by her cider, maybe flirting with married men - that I can imagine. Idk, if it is usual to have a father and a daughter in the same pub, if not only for a nice meal together from time to time.
Maybe, CL changed her pub and went to the Acomb area because of her father?

I wonder if PL was in the pub on the previous Friday when she got very drunk?

 

[Yozzer]

Not sure if the collection times were the same in 2009 but info on Post Box Finder gives these collection details

MelrosegatePO collection times
Collection times for Melrosegate Post Office, York | Post Box Finder & Collection Times

Greendykes Lane collection times
Collection times for 27 Green Dykes Lane York Post Box, York | Post Box Finder & Collection Times

Perhaps she preferred to use a box on the side of the road she was walking along. Or perhaps she did get a lift part way home to Melrosegate?
We just don't know.

 

[Popejohn3]

Agree completely apart from the all bit ...not fair to all involved !

he was a police prosecutor and therefore by implication knew police men and if you’re not quite kosher ie NH customers, you would be uncomfortable in his presence and that would be understandable .

I made the same mistake I should have said some of the NH customers.

 

[keep-it-real]

Perhaps she preferred to use a box on the side of the road she was walking along. Or perhaps she did get a lift part way home to Melrosegate?
We just don't know.

Yes I agree personally I would choose the Post Box on the same side of the road was walking or driving

 

[Popejohn3]

Agree completely apart from the all bit ...not fair to all involved !

he was a police prosecutor and therefore by implication knew police men and if you’re not quite kosher ie NH customers, you would be uncomfortable in his presence and that would be understandable .

I made the same mistake I should have said some of the NH customers.

Perhaps she preferred to use a box on the side of the road she was walking along. Or perhaps she did get a lift part way home to Melrosegate?
We just don't know.

yes but there is no reason ( that I can see) why the driver would not have come forward like Jo did !

 

[Yozzer]

I'm no cctv expert, nor do I read anything into this particular event in the timeline, but this is a close-up of the video released by NYP at Melrosegate PO taken at the precise time of posting an item (for those who are interested).

 

[Yozzer]

I made the same mistake I should have said some of the NH customers.

yes but there is no reason ( that I can see) why the driver would not have come forward like Jo did !

That would depend on the motive for offering her a lift and the individual concerned!

 

[Vixey]

Where does it say ‘3-4 times a week’?

He said it in a interview posted previously! will find it again x

 

[Bagpipes]

He said it in a interview posted previously! will find it again x

I'm sure the article indicated that CL would frequent the NH 3 or 4 times a week. PL would join her on the occasional Friday afternoon??

 

[curiosity2]

He said it in a interview posted previously! will find it again x

I remember him saying that in an interview as well. Cant imagine he would drink and drive, wonder if he stayed over at Claudias as Slingsby quite a distance away

 

[Vixey]

I remember him saying that in an interview as well. Cant imagine he would drink and drive, wonder if he stayed over at Claudias as Slingsby quite a distance away

I asked Suzy regarding this and she had no idea wether he stayed at claudias,the pub,taxi or drove home x

 

[Andyboy]

I asked Suzy regarding this and she had no idea wether he stayed at claudias,the pub,taxi or drove home x

Hard to believe she wouldn't know, must have either seen him go home or leave with claudia at some time or another

 

[Bagpipes]

This may be the article you're looking for. PL mentions the socialising with SC, JK, and GF and the being single etc...

'Part of your brain just goes numb' | Family | The Guardian

 

[oudzuid]

Just catching up on the last 10 pages or so of this thread. It’s definitely CL posting a letter. It won’t be anything important, some tax thing for HMRC or something. I don’t think it’s of any relevance. All this talk of look-a-likes and decoys, people in wigs, if it wasn’t so tragic it would be funny. She was a 30 something cook at a university, it’s not a spy novel.

Why was PL not liked by the nags regulars, did he make them feel uncomfortable because they’d all shagged his daughter? I find it stretching credibility to the max that he was seeing someone, one of her friends, from that pub. Again, it’s somewhat laughable. I think the reason SC and JK are the friends who speak about her as opposed to malton girlfriends is they were the two she socialised with most when she went missing. Stop chasing shadows and inventing mad theories. It’s a lot more simplistic than that motive wise, but sadly I can’t see it being solved and I think the anniversary will pass without much media attention regrettably

@ArcadeFire I have quite some sympathy with your view but do not share all.

If we all just assume that as you say, there is nothing more to the case than meets the eye then perhaps we are all guilty of chasing shadows and barking up the wrong trees and so is that not similar to all threads whether they are on WS or another online medium?

I do agree that where one member perhaps see's something that no one else can and some conspiracy type theory's are on the wilder side.

I'm not sure how much research you have done into this case or whether you have had contact with the LE teams(s) running the case.

We all know that MSM are often required to supress a story or to promote a view that supports the family or LE-We only need to look at the McCann case as a prime example.

I have been in touch with police on several occasions and can say that I was initially met with a helpful approach (I am a great supporter of our police force).

However, during conversations, a story was changed and when you start to delve, they dry up. I understand the drying up but changing story's is showing a lack of transparency and only adds fuel to the fire already burning re conspiracy.

I have seen Google sightings that I have reported to the police, removed from Google for no obvious reason.

I also find the 4 people arrested as POI's are more likely to have been involved in a different crime or perhaps associated with those responsible for CL Disappearance and it is quite possible that they are as frightened as many of their drinking buddies at the Nags.

In summary I wouldn't disagree that this case may be quite simple and is being overcomplicated but you have to ask the following questions:

• As a POI would you not want to distance yourself and shed the stigma by moving away rather than nearer to the crime scene?
• In Law Enforcement, whilst you have to ensure you don't compromise evidence, try and be transparent with your stakeholders who want the crime solved as much as they do
• Why did an accomplished SOI (Galloway) make so many obvious errors?
• What frustrated Malyn far more than a daily disappointment for an SIO of the CPS not supporting the decision to charge?
• Why are there far more online disruptors in this case than any other I have seen that don't want us to get close to the fire?

At times the case does take on the format of a soap opera but in the main those searching for a small lead that could crack the case have the best intentions.

For Claudia's sake (No one else) I do hope that this case is solved and for those expecting news each anniversary, I would say, forget that as a timeline as the pressure is of LE to recognise the anniversary.

 

[oudzuid]

Hard to believe she wouldn't know, must have either seen him go home or leave with claudia at some time or another

IMO SC is coy and knows far more than she reveals.
Claudia got in with a really bad bunch-Bless her.

 

[oudzuid]

I remember him saying that in an interview as well. Cant imagine he would drink and drive, wonder if he stayed over at Claudias as Slingsby quite a distance away

Were the TM Lewin carrier bags under Claudia stairs his. Perhaps he kept his suits and shirts there-Unless they belonged to another man?

 

[Vixey]

This may be the article you're looking for. PL mentions the socialising with SC, JK, and GF and the being single etc...

'Part of your brain just goes numb' | Family | The Guardian

No, I can assure you as some people on here will know as seen my post and discussion previously! Peter Lawrence was speaking in the Interview so no mistake and I am sure how many times he said he visited the nags pub weekly x When I find it,I will post the link here x

 

[MEKON]

Just catching up on the last 10 pages or so of this thread. It’s definitely CL posting a letter. It won’t be anything important, some tax thing for HMRC or something. I don’t think it’s of any relevance. All this talk of look-a-likes and decoys, people in wigs, if it wasn’t so tragic it would be funny. She was a 30 something cook at a university, it’s not a spy novel.

Why was PL not liked by the nags regulars, did he make them feel uncomfortable because they’d all ................... I find it stretching credibility to the max that he was seeing someone, one of her friends, from that pub. Again, it’s somewhat laughable. I think the reason SC and JK are the friends who speak about her as opposed to malton girlfriends is they were the two she socialised with most when she went missing. Stop chasing shadows and inventing mad theories. It’s a lot more simplistic than that motive wise, but sadly I can’t see it being solved and I think the anniversary will pass without much media attention regrettably

Some good points. However; do you feel the comment about an individuals relationships reflects a distorted ultra- Patriarchal view of the issue

 

[curiosity2]

No, I can assure you as some people on here will know as seen my post and discussion previously! Peter Lawrence was speaking in the Interview so no mistake and I am sure how many times he said he visited the nags pub weekly x When I find it,I will post the link here x

I distinctly remember PL saying he visited NH several times per week