UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

[shadwell]

He does say on his video that the last sighting of Claudia was on cctv at the costcutter after speaking to the child minder. Surely this is not correct

Yes, likewise doubtful about this - IIRC there was mention of her being seen on a private cctv belonging to a house on Heworth Road, originally thought to be near opposite to 46, then later said to be nearer the HR/East Parade Junction. First time I’ve heard Costcutter mentioned - I think someone has already made the point that if that were the case it would almost certainly have been released by NYP early, as it would constitute the last known sighting of CL.

As BR said - after 13 years, any new claims need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

 

[shadwell]

According to the new cell phone signal map, Heworth is in a different area to the Acomb area. If CL was killed in Heworth and moved to Acomb, her phone would ping to connect to a different mast. If CL was killed in Acomb her phone would ping in that area at 10 am. Its just a theory as long as CL stayed with her phone

Yes - if the phone was in Acomb when it turned off it would have connected to the same towers that previously enabled NYP to establish CL was there in previous weeks. To narrow it down to the Acomb area would have required the phone to connect to at least two towers - not just the uni tower.

 

[Popejohn3]

If the new celluar map is correct it’s highly unlikely in a car, because it didn’t move till 10am

I believe the sighting of the rucksack . I believe the sighting of the arguing couple with the passenger ? Door open ( could have been a lhd )
Claudia ( the woman ) enticed or ‘walked ‘into that car ! Concealing the person dead or alive would have been a priority! Retreating her scattered ? belongings not as important at first !
Therefore Claudia and her phone were parted

 

[Popejohn3]

I believe the sighting of the rucksack . I believe the sighting of the arguing couple with the passenger ? Door open ( could have been a lhd )
Claudia ( the woman ) enticed or ‘walked ‘into that car ! Concealing the person dead or alive would have been a priority! Retreating her scattered ? belongings not as important at first !
Therefore Claudia and her phone were parted

Retrieving

 

[Blonderabbit]

If the cell phone point is the uni building then the stray is included

Yes included after 10am

 

[Blonderabbit]

I believe the sighting of the rucksack . I believe the sighting of the arguing couple with the passenger ? Door open ( could have been a lhd )
Claudia ( the woman ) enticed or ‘walked ‘into that car ! Concealing the person dead or alive would have been a priority! Retreating her scattered ? belongings not as important at first !
Therefore Claudia and her phone were parted

I don’t believe any of it IMO - total fabrication

 

[Pinkizzy]

Sian O'Calaghan was murdered in 2011 and her cell phone was found after a few days, why wasn't this possible with Claudia in 2009?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Sian O'Calaghan was murdered in 2011 and her cell phone was found after a few days, why wasn't this possible with Claudia in 2009?

Could be for a number of reasons - depends what happened to it after it went off.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Sian O'Calaghan was murdered in 2011 and her cell phone was found after a few days, why wasn't this possible with Claudia in 2009?

I wonder what Claudia did with her phone between use. Did she put it in her pocket or a purse /bag?

 

[Blonderabbit]

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Can anyone from North Yorkshire Police confirm this cellular map is accurate?

 

[Popejohn3]

I don’t believe any of it IMO - total fabrication

Total fabrication by whom ? The police ? Some random prankster ? One of the naughty dozen that had it in for Claudia ( I’m being sarcastic here ) Was it a genuine sighting but not of Claudia and her abductor ?
Has the witness ever come forward?
I think it’s most probably genuine and that is why the female never came forward ( dead ) and obviously the perpetrator would stay silent !

 

[Blonderabbit]

Total fabrication by whom ? The police ? Some random prankster ? One of the naughty dozen that had it in for Claudia ( I’m being sarcastic here ) Was it a genuine sighting but not of Claudia and her abductor ?
Has the witness ever come forward?
I think it’s most probably genuine and that is why the female never came forward ( dead ) and obviously the perpetrator would stay silent !

There’s no supporting evidence - car is not on university cctv, it’s not on surrounding cctv, witness can’t be verified. After a fingertip search with dogs as well no supporting evidence. And now there’s “potentially “ a cellular map stating her phone never left Heworth until after 10 -

 

[shadwell]

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UK - UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

Can anyone from North Yorkshire Police confirm this cellular map is accurate?

Hmm. Good luck with that. I’m trying to get a handle on where the university mast actually is/was in 2009 - the Newsquest video image has it pretty much on the Roger Kirk centre and trying to locate it via OpenCelliD is a bit of a hopeless task - the site shows plenty of masts, but when you go to look for them on Google maps/Earth, they simply don’t exist at the claimed location.

OpenCelliD - Open Database of Cell Towers & Geolocation

OpenCelliD is the largest Open Database of Cell Towers & their locations. You can geolocate IoT & Mobile devices without GPS, explore Mobile Operator coverage and more!

www.opencellid.org

 

[shadwell]

Ah, right - finally getting Cellmapper to work for me, which confirms Siward’s Howe water tower as the mast location. Per Google Earth historical satellite imagery, it looks like the triangular frame was erected at some point between 2002 and 2005 and hasn’t been moved since - most recent Google maps satellite image below (north at the top).

 

[shadwell]

Cellmapper doesn't appear to have any data pre-2017, but with the various mobile providers' antennae mounted along the sides of the triangular frame the reception area (or 'view') of each of the three sides would appear to be as shown in the image below. Worth noting perhaps that if extended westward, the boundary of the northern red sector and the southern yellow sector passes pretty much exactly through Tockwith.

 

[susie sixpence]

Cellmapper doesn't appear to have any data pre-2017, but with the various mobile providers' antennae mounted along the sides of the triangular frame the reception area (or 'view') of each of the three sides would appear to be as shown in the image below. Worth noting perhaps that if extended westward, the boundary of the northern red sector and the southern yellow sector passes pretty much exactly through Tockwith.

View attachment 383466

That area is vast, it covers nearly half of the outer ring road of York including the city centre.

 

[shadwell]

That area is vast, it covers nearly half of the outer ring road of York including the city centre.

Yup - obviously there are other masts overlapping and covering areas within the sectors (each new generation seems to require more masts for full coverage), but with no cell area data prior to 2017 this is a theoretical representation of the areas potentially covered by the antennae, based on the alignment of the triangular masthead frame. The point being that while the red area might extend as far west as Tockwith, this does not exclude Heworth, as is suggested by the Newsquest video.

 

[Popejohn3]

There’s no supporting evidence - car is not on university cctv, it’s not on surrounding cctv, witness can’t be verified. After a fingertip search with dogs as well no supporting evidence. And now there’s “potentially “ a cellular map stating her phone never left Heworth until after 10 -

Are you saying the uni cctv covered that bit of road and that particular car ( with door open and stationary ) never showed up at all ??

 

[Blonderabbit]

Hmm. Good luck with that. I’m trying to get a handle on where the university mast actually is/was in 2009 - the Newsquest video image has it pretty much on the Roger Kirk centre and trying to locate it via OpenCelliD is a bit of a hopeless task - the site shows plenty of masts, but when you go to look for them on Google maps/Earth, they simply don’t exist at the claimed location.

OpenCelliD - Open Database of Cell Towers & Geolocation

OpenCelliD is the largest Open Database of Cell Towers & their locations. You can geolocate IoT & Mobile devices without GPS, explore Mobile Operator coverage and more!

www.opencellid.org

Well done Shadwell at least you have tried to venture forward. There are verified law enforcement here, I cannot see why NYP wouldn’t confirm the maps authenticity/value. They have stated in msm that the phone stayed local till just after 10am. The police cannot mail this alone - there’s a chance a sleuth could get by the winning post,

 

[Blonderabbit]

Are you saying the uni cctv covered that bit of road and that particular car ( with door open and stationary ) never showed up at all ??

Claudia lawrance was not see anywhere on the 19th - police stated that. Plus there was no phone communication - texts or calls from an avid texter from 8.23pm on 18th March. Statistically these witness statements can be anything from bogus to highly inaccurate. You have to remember she wasn’t reported missing till the Friday - a witness contacts and says Thursday blah blah blah. - no I stick by what I’ve said - pure fabrication